Conditional Visa's - It's Happening!

[toby]

I think tax records are 7 years or something for the US, but I don't really know. I was imagining we would need "proof" like saved airline boarding passes for joint trips, receipts for major joint purchases, etc, to "prove" that the relationship is ongoing. Just in case we need it. And that stuff takes up space.

This task of proving the relationship remained solid throughout the two-year probationary period is similar to the task of proving time spent in Canada when renewing the PR card. We all abhor the need to accumulate records, and organize them for CIC to glance at. But so -- I just learned -- do CIC officers dread receiving a huge dossier of documentation for review. They have limited time per case.

So, again, is there a smarter, more concise way to prove (1) time spent together as a couple, and (2) time spent in Canada as a PR?

If you have a Notice of Assessment from the tax department, that show you were in Canada for most of the year. If it shows your spouse's SIN number, that shows you are together (from a tax viewpoint anyway).

Secondary evidence:
(A) Photographic evidence. Take one per month (more is not better) showing clearly the date and place. The dates on digital photos can be faked, so show a newspaper with date visible. Take the photo with a landmark in the background -- e.g. the Parliament Buildings, or a Restaurant with phone number visible (so CIC could verify if they wanted to).

(B) Passport stamps to show travelling (together, where the PR wants to prove time outside Canada was spent with the Canadian spouse). If the passport record is complete, this will be implicit (though not foolproof) evidence that the rest of the time was spent in Canada.

I don't see the point of keeping Boarding passes unless there will not be a corresponding stamp in your passport.

 

[angelbrat]

I am... overwhelmed. Seriously. Are you telling me any kind of crap (pun not intended) I can think of is already in there?

... no, don't tell me. It is. Thank you, CIC.
Oh paint me pink and call me Shirley If it all wasn't so damn serious, with someone possibly getting offended instead of amused, I swear I'd send them toilet pics... with that regulations section quoted and attached. Happy day ;D

oh please send them the pics.......just the thought of CIC opening a joint toilet seat bought pic makes me laugh.

Thank god people on here have such a great sense of humor.....makes my day.

 

[SmoothiesQueen]

Ok just another question.

My husband and have been married and living in his country already...if we come...does this mean that we have two more years tacked on to how long it takes for him to get citizenship. Or does this just mean two years of the four or whatever it takes to get citizenship he could be deported if we seperated?

For me if this is the case...I don't mind this rule at all and actually support it. My husband and I are together for as long as God gives us on this earth....so if two of those years being conditional helps weed out fraud for people who are scamming the system...then I say its a good thing.

My only concern would be if it takes two EXTRA years to get citizenship because I want us to be able to travel...and see my family in the US and England and other places without having to get my husband visas!

 

[fleo]

oh please send them the pics.......just the thought of CIC opening a joint toilet seat bought pic makes me laugh.

Alas, angelbrat, I was thinking about pictures of toilet being jointly used To prove, you know, jointness and genuineness and all that. (I'm still not entirely sure how one jointly uses a toilet, but I'm sure Mr. Husband will have a few useful ideas when he gets home.)

Actually, since we're doing inland and there's still well over a year to go, I could start a nice folder full of... whimsical ... evidence like that to take it with me to the landing interview. With table of contents attached, naturally ;D Now wouldn't that be a sight to behold.

 

[missmini]

Ok just another question.

My husband and have been married and living in his country already...if we come...does this mean that we have two more years tacked on to how long it takes for him to get citizenship. Or does this just mean two years of the four or whatever it takes to get citizenship he could be deported if we seperated?

For me if this is the case...I don't mind this rule at all and actually support it. My husband and I are together for as long as God gives us on this earth....so if two of those years being conditional helps weed out fraud for people who are scamming the system...then I say its a good thing.

My only concern would be if it takes two EXTRA years to get citizenship because I want us to be able to travel...and see my family in the US and England and other places without having to get my husband visas!

me too i would like to know that; from what others are saying here the conditional PR will count for the citizenship so the waiting time will be the same until now; i hope they are right and he won't have to wait 2 more years until we can both be relaxed and have the same nationality and be able to travel freely anywhere we want, no more visa refusals

as for keep gathering proofs and keeping all the receipts, etc etc, i guess it is and will b part of our life routine....i know i will do it just in case until he gets the citizenship, who knows how these laws change again and again

for the rest of ur subjects, u guys r sooo funny looooooooooool

 

[Material]

Alas, angelbrat, I was thinking about pictures of toilet being jointly used To prove, you know, jointness and genuineness and all that. (I'm still not entirely sure how one jointly uses a toilet, but I'm sure Mr. Husband will have a few useful ideas when he gets home.)

Picturing this in my head ...NOT A PRETTY SITE ....what a great way to start a Tuesday morning work day oh well of to work with that picture in mind.

LOL

 

[rjessome]

Ok just another question.

My husband and have been married and living in his country already...if we come...does this mean that we have two more years tacked on to how long it takes for him to get citizenship. Or does this just mean two years of the four or whatever it takes to get citizenship he could be deported if we seperated?

For me if this is the case...I don't mind this rule at all and actually support it. My husband and I are together for as long as God gives us on this earth....so if two of those years being conditional helps weed out fraud for people who are scamming the system...then I say its a good thing.

My only concern would be if it takes two EXTRA years to get citizenship because I want us to be able to travel...and see my family in the US and England and other places without having to get my husband visas!

How long have you and your husband been married? If it is more than 2 years at the time you apply to sponsor him to Canada, if approved there will be no conditions attached to his PR visa.

There is no indication that these conditions will impact residency requirements for citizenship.

 

[SmoothiesQueen]

Does the time of sponsership count from when you get approved for your PR visa...or the first day you file papers?

And if it doesn't alter residency requirements and we can still get our spouses their citizenship in the same amount of time...I don't see any problem with this unless the immigration officials don't handle it properly. Being in a geunine marriage....for me this doesn't really make much difference as two years the government might need for proof that its real...are just that two years. We are gonna be togeather two years after that...and after that....etc etc.

I would think if this is handled properly this might be a good thing. I mean it gives people an easier out if they discover their partner is not who they thought...and for all of us in genuine relationships...its just two years....there is no way if the government does their job properly...that your marriage could be affected if its genuine!!

 

[Baloo]

At present there are very few facts.... so anything is possible.

IMO the two years would start from the issue date of the PR and end two years afterwards.
But - we are all guessing really

 

[Baloo]

Most people want the spousal process to be a lot faster, it is not good that partners be kept apart (or on hold) as long as the current processing times.

How about the option of a PR approval in no more than eight weeks, but a probationary PR period of five years?
Would that be an acceptable trade off?

Maybe another option would be, no more family member sponsorships (sisters, brothers or parents, etc).
If the spousal process was halved, would the "no family" option be acceptable?

 

[Huron]

How long have you and your husband been married? If it is more than 2 years at the time you apply to sponsor him to Canada, if approved there will be no conditions attached to his PR visa.

I have a question, have been common law living in husbands country for 8+ years , now married for one year....... do we get credit for the 8+ years or are we "conditional"?

 

[Baloo]

I have a question, have been common law living in husbands country for 8+ years , now married for one year....... do we get credit for the 8+ years or are we "conditional"?

It is not law at this moment in time, so there is no real answer yet.

 

[_696_]

Most people want the spousal process to be a lot faster, it is not good that partners be kept apart (or on hold) as long as the current processing times.

How about the option of a PR approval in no more than eight weeks, but a probationary PR period of five years?
Would that be an acceptable trade off?

Sounds great to me, probation as long as you want as it doesn't change the fact that we could be with our partners + have a life, neither do we need citizenship for the matter.

 

[fleo]

How about the option of a PR approval in no more than eight weeks, but a probationary PR period of five years?

Two concerns: First, it would be splendid for genuine couples, but not really dealing with the issue of marriage fraud :/ More people would be immigrating, and once someone is in the country it isn't exaclty easy to get him out of it, Sure, deportation sounds simple enough... but are there resources to enforce it? Finding people who don't want to be found? Jamming the judicial system with appeals/reviews?

Second, an 8-week background/security check? In some cases maybe; in some it sounds more than a little optimistic.

Maybe another option would be, no more family member sponsorships (sisters, brothers or parents, etc).

Now we're onto something Yes, applicant+dependant children only, and no possibility of sponsoring a (new) spouse for anyone who landed on spousal. I could live with that

 

[pinklady]

no possibility of sponsoring a (new) spouse for anyone who landed on spousal. I could live with that

This I agree with. You should not be able to sponsor a spouse if you have been sponsored by a spouse or sponsored a spouse previously. One time only!!