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Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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What happened in 2012 that lead to such a small number of citizenship grants?
Short answer: the impact of Harper/Perrin changes dramatically increasing screening of citizenship applicants and issuance of RQ, in 2012, resulted in stalling the process to a near standstill for several months.

Longer explanation:

In April 2012 CIC (as it was then referred to) adopted and implemented the Operational Bulletin OB-407 which contained strictly applied criteria for issuing a full-blown RQ. This was NOT publicized. So we only learned about OB-407 around mid-summer, after there was a sudden HUGE surge in RQ, including a huge number of applicants getting RQ before their test and interview (we referred to it as "pre-test RQ"), and similar to what some have appropriately suggested here, many of us coordinated ATI applications to try and find out what was happening. While we managed to obtain only portions of OB-407, as much was redacted, what we did obtain in conjunction with other internal CIC documents related to the adoption, interpretation, and implementation of OB-407, and especially given a leaked copy of the FRC (File Requirements Checklist) that was widely shared (I believe it was shared here as well, but at that time I was more active in a couple other forums where it was for sure shared and widely discussed), we were able to map much of what was happening. Which included CIC revisiting the vast majority of pending applications for screening against the criteria in the FRC (which was part of OB-407). This had the in-practice impact of bringing the entire process to a near stand-still for months.

For some months during the second half of 2012 nearly one in every three applications was referred to RQ. But the intensity of the slowdown was aggravated because nearly all applications went into a queue to be screened against the FRC triage criteria.

By late 2012 CIC implemented interpretations that mitigated the impact of the strict criteria (for example, in 2012 any period of unemployment triggered RQ, which was initially interpreted, for example, in a way that resulted in all stay-at-home parents or spouses being issued RQ) and in early 2013 amended the criteria (as best we could sort out through the ATI process, since the FRC and triage criteria were "confidential" and redacted from ATI completed requests) so that not so many applicants were issued RQ (for another example, initially any period of self-employment triggered RQ, but by early 2013 this appeared to be just a factor considered and not an automatic trigger for RQ).


Comparison to the overall processing timeline around then warrants noting.

In 2012 and 2013 the CIC information, based on how long it was taking to process at least one-half of routinely processed applications, indicated a 24 month timeline. Nonetheless, scores and scores of applicants were encountering a three year plus timeline, and large numbers of those going through a full blown Residency case review had timelines in excess of FOUR YEARS.

So far, in the current situation, the delay has been six or seven months added to the pre-Covid timeline. But it is easily foreseen that overall the timeline is likely to approach and may exceed, once again, 24 months, that is two years. Current applicants with personal issues related to obtaining a Canadian passport, for example, should take this into account in their decision-making. Not sure why, but my observations about this have been characterized as "discouraging" or amounting to a judgment that it is OK. Anyone who bothers to actually read my observations should readily recognize that I focus on facts not judgments, and on how things work and how to deal with that.

The law mandates IRCC to process grant citizenship applications. There are no time requirements imposed by statute or regulation, but in such cases the law imposes a reasonable standard as part of what the Charter requires in terms of fair procedure. So it is indeed time for IRCC to make whatever accommodations are necessary to resume tests and interviews, and it is up to IRCC to figure out how to do that, and to do it within a reasonable time. There are, of course, lots and lots of differences of opinion regarding what is "reasonable" in this regard. But it has now been over six months since the last test and interview (with perhaps some isolated exceptions in special cases), with the threat of Covid-19 still looming large, so it is time for IRCC to figure out how to do what the law mandates it to do notwithstanding the logistical difficulties of dealing with the pandemic.
 

Fallen_Warrior

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May 16, 2013
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Better than no testing at all. I think IRCC is trying to gradually open up the testing. Hang tight fellas, we are all in this together.
 

piotrqc

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Aug 10, 2020
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What is happening now, comes to discredit all those who at the beginning tried BY ALL MEANS, AND WITH RAGE to make us accept the status quo, to play down the situation, and to discourage people from making noise, alerting the press, contacting their federal deputies, to be visible on twitter and social networks, etc... By affirming that it was useless to make noise, to be silent, to consider oneself happy already to be here, to return to our countries, and other wickedness ...

A very popular French saying:

''Le droit s'arrache, ne se donne pas ''

* Transation in english : ''The right is torn away, not given ''


Let's keep putting the pressure on with the hastag #Resume_Citizenship_Tests
 

Son-of-A-Gun

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Sep 23, 2016
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What is happening now, comes to discredit all those who at the beginning tried BY ALL MEANS, AND WITH RAGE to make us accept the status quo, to play down the situation, and to discourage people from making noise, alerting the press, contacting their federal deputies, to be visible on twitter and social networks, etc... By affirming that it was useless to make noise, to be silent, to consider oneself happy already to be here, to return to our countries, and other wickedness ...

A very popular French saying:

''Le droit s'arrache, ne se donne pas ''

* Transation in english : ''The right is torn away, not given ''


Let's keep putting the pressure on with the hastag #Resume_Citizenship_Tests
Très bien dit!
Well said!

I should be quoting La Bolduc:

Mes amis, je vous assure
Que le temps est bien dur
Il faut pas s' décourager
Ça va bien vite commencer
De l'ouvrage, y va en avoir
Pour tout le monde, cet hiver
Il faut bien donner le temps
Au nouveau gouvernement!
Rough Translation ("We'll Get There" - La Bolduc - 1929)

My friends,
I assure you that times are tough
Don't get discouraged,
It'll get better
There'll be jobs
For everyone this winter
Just give the new government
Some time
 

Arioji

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Aug 28, 2020
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Great news from other post : some good progress .. slow but in the right direction. We have to be patients https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/gradual-resumption-in-person-services-sep-2020.html
IRCC has twitted this news on its twitter page today;
it's easy to find ,
my suggestion:

write a short polite note (mention) on that tweet , thank IRCC , ask them to accelerate the process,
and the most important part:
add the hashtag :

#Resume_Citizenship_Tests
 
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Aktars

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Feb 14, 2017
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Great job guys! Looks like we finally have some communication from IRCC after 6 months! Let's continue to make noise by doing all of the above member suggestions:
1. Twitter #Resume_Citizenship_Tests
2. Write to MP (Member of parliament)
3. Contact news media
4. Encourage and educate others on what they can do on other platforms

We are returning to some level of normal functioning and learning to manage living and working in the Covid pandemic year and we want IRCC to know that there is popular demand to resume tests and to open all their offices and resume some level of functioning too to reduce the MASSIVE backlog.
 

ott-613

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Dec 16, 2019
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The virus will not go away for years, so we have to learn to live and take safety measures to protect each other from spreading it. The pilot program is good step to see if they succeed progressing the test without impacting the health.
 
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