Can you exit Canada while on conditional PR for 2 years?

[Ponga]

and what's wrong with that? my experience, experience of those on this forum, and experience of newcomers i know from being in canada is where I get my knowledge from. isn't that basically the same as everyone on this forum such as yourself and rob? or are you CIC/CBSA officers in disguise? Just because i am 1 person, doesn't mean i don't know what happens. the same can be said for you all.

Sorry, but I don't believe that you've taken the time to read through CIC/CBSA Enforcement Manuals, Operational Bulletins, etc., have you?

 

[Ponga]

actually ponga, i'm not just bringing up the topic, I was responding to this poster below:

My apologies.

 

[CDNPR2014]

Sorry, but I don't believe that you've taken the time to read through CIC/CBSA Enforcement Manuals, Operational Bulletins, etc., have you?

I don't understand what what the issue is here ponga? just because i don't spend my day reading every single bulletin that comes out and every single piece of the manual, that means i don't know what i'm talking about?
I've been a PR for 1.5 years. i had my share of dealings with cbsa for 2 years prior to that, so i'm WELL versed on CBSA border crossings. I also worked with many newcomers, have participated in newcomer programs/focus groups, and keep up to date on my own PR obligations, thank you very much (not that i should have to justify myself). while i don't go around calling myself an "expert", i do know my fair share.
so you're saying unless a person has diligently read every single piece of literature about Candian immigration, they don't have the right to tell people not to worry about crossing the border as a pr? because if that's the case, i wonder how many people on this forum would suddenly not be up to those standards when it comes to PR knowledge. enough of this tit for tat ponga. we all have helpful knowledge to share, and i'm not here to fight about who knows more about what. just because we may not agree doesn't mean either one of us doesn't know what's up.

 

[Ponga]

I don't understand what what the issue is here ponga? just because i don't spend my day reading every single bulletin that comes out and every single piece of the manual, that means i don't know what i'm talking about?
I've been a PR for 1.5 years. i had my share of dealings with cbsa for 2 years prior to that, so i'm WELL versed on CBSA border crossings. I also worked with many newcomers, have participated in newcomer programs/focus groups, and keep up to date on my own PR obligations, thank you very much (not that i should have to justify myself).
so you're saying unless a person has diligently read every single piece of literature about Candian immigration, they don't have the right to tell people not to worry about crossing the border as a pr? because if that's the case, i wonder how many people on this forum would suddenly not be "up to your standards" when it comes to PR knowledge. enough of this tit for tat ponga. we all have helpful knowledge to share. just because we may not agree doesn't mean either one of us doesn't know what's up.

Hmmm...take a look at what you've been saying:

I honestly have yet to hear a pr being asked why they are traveling separately than their sponsor.

while this may be true on paper. in my experience with CBSA, CBSA agents are not very familiar with the ins and outs of PR status, nor do they ask questions about condition 51, residency obligations, etc.


stop worrying. i highly doubt CIC is going to bother coming after you because you were away for 2-3 months in 2 years.

do you really think a random CBSA officer is going to know you have "condition 51" attached to your pr? this is something that CIC is concerned about, NOT CBSA. Are you sure about that, or is that just your opinion?

Just because i am 1 person, doesn't mean i don't know what happens. the same can be said for you all. You are correct...you do NOT know what happens, just as we don't know what happens, but you seem to at least imply that it's no big deal.

so you're saying unless a person has diligently read every single piece of literature about Candian immigration, they don't have the right to tell people not to worry about crossing the border as a pr? Show me where in this thread I even said that. The primary discussion has been about violating the condition, NOT re-entering Canada (save for the post by GG and B)

And thanks for the -1

 

[CDNPR2014]

Hmmm...take a look at what you've been saying:

I honestly have yet to hear a pr being asked why they are traveling separately than their sponsor.

while this may be true on paper. in my experience with CBSA, CBSA agents are not very familiar with the ins and outs of PR status, nor do they ask questions about condition 51, residency obligations, etc.


stop worrying. i highly doubt CIC is going to bother coming after you because you were away for 2-3 months in 2 years.

do you really think a random CBSA officer is going to know you have "condition 51" attached to your pr? this is something that CIC is concerned about, NOT CBSA. Are you sure about that, or is that just your opinion?

Just because i am 1 person, doesn't mean i don't know what happens. the same can be said for you all. You are correct...you do NOT know what happens, just as we don't know what happens, but you seem to at least imply that it's no big deal.

so you're saying unless a person has diligently read every single piece of literature about Candian immigration, they don't have the right to tell people not to worry about crossing the border as a pr? Show me where in this thread I even said that. The primary discussion has been about violating the condition, NOT re-entering Canada (save for the post by GG and B)

honestly, i've said all i've needed to, but thanks for pointing out every single response i made. it's appreciated, though i don't understand what your point is repeating everything i said.

this seems to suggest, don't share your opinion unless you've read everything:

Sorry, but I don't believe that you've taken the time to read through CIC/CBSA Enforcement Manuals, Operational Bulletins, etc., have you?

And thanks for the -1

you're welcome.

peace out.

 

[Ponga]

Just in case you're still listening...

We all have the same objective; to help others get through this ridiculous process. When it comes to issues like this (Condition 51), or even other similar `grey areas', like Implied Status and how it works for someone with a PGWP or IEC, it's important to point out that the rules are ambiguous at best.

Caveat emptor!

 

[expectin]

Condition 51 is mostly to protect the sponsor, in which the sponsor has the ability to report his/her spouse is not living with them. I think you'll be fine as long as no one's reporting this to CIC and you're not exactly taking up residence back in Philppines. There might be some element of risk since you're going to be gone for a significant amount of time, not just a few weeks or a couple months. But who knows.

That condition is also to protect the sponsored person from abuse or other issues, you will be fine.

 

[540780]

I also have condition 51 and I had to go back to my home country for 2 months because I had a family issue. When I returned back in Canada I had no issues at the airport.
The officer just asked me a simple question: How long were you outside Canada? I said two months and then he told me welcome back to Canada and that was it.
I was sure that the officer would tell me something about condition 51 but he didn't, I knew that I violated condition 51 but it was really important for me to travel to Europe for 2 months for a family matter.