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Can one Travel on COPR outside Canada while waiting for the PR card?

shesosilly

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Thanks everyone for the input. I'm only going for a weekend to the states by car and I will surely have my passport with the landing stamp and my COPR with me!
 

Rob_TO

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Sunset0505 said:
Ok...thats what you have read been advised etc...I know what they told us twice now....I also know that my hubby is working legally in Canada and there is a red flag on his file and will be there for the next 8 to 10 years for a work permit that was denied in 2014...
No what I stated are facts and the rules. Whoever told you about being denied is talking about boarding a commercial airline to Canada, not at immigration with CBSA. There is a misunderstanding on your part, or the person explained it wrong. CBSA is no different whether flying or driving, so either way you can't be denied entry for not having a PR card. Any denial will come by way of being denied passage to Canada by a commercial carrier.

A red flag on someone due to a work permit issue years ago, is irrelevant. Once you become a PR then CBSA will let you enter Canada even without a PR card, end of story.
 

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Rob_TO said:
No what I stated are facts and the rules. Whoever told you about being denied is talking about boarding a commercial airline to Canada, not at immigration with CBSA. There is a misunderstanding on your part, or the person explained it wrong. CBSA is no different whether flying or driving, so either way you can't be denied entry for not having a PR card. Any denial will come by way of being denied passage to Canada by a commercial carrier.

A red flag on someone due to a work permit issue years ago, is irrelevant. Once you become a PR then CBSA will let you enter Canada even without a PR card, end of story.
OK...I know what we have been through and what we have still to go through so that is all that matters...we have been back across the line three times to get our mail and all three times we have been pulled into 2ndry screening and we have been told this will continue for the next 8 to 10 years because of the work permit denied in 2014 period...as well CBSA has advised my husband that he needs to carry his Rehab letter with him each and every time he enters Canada even with the PR.....that is the thing I do not like about there sites..shoot rainbows up peoples butts...we have not had rainbows once and everything that the sites have suggested we do has turned out to be opposite...and I am not sure if you are aware that even the COPR/PR does not guaranteer entry into Canada and if you think it does you may want to read your fine print...End of Story!
 

canuck_in_uk

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Sunset0505 said:
we have not had rainbows once and everything that the sites have suggested we do has turned out to be opposite...and I am not sure if you are aware that even the COPR/PR does not guaranteer entry into Canada and if you think it does you may want to read your fine print...End of Story!
No rainbows when you have criminal issues complicating the app...

By law, a Permanent Resident CANNOT be refused entry to Canada. If you think they can, they you may want to read the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
 

Rob_TO

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Sunset0505 said:
OK...I know what we have been through and what we have still to go through so that is all that matters...we have been back across the line three times to get our mail and all three times we have been pulled into 2ndry screening and we have been told this will continue for the next 8 to 10 years because of the work permit denied in 2014 period...as well CBSA has advised my husband that he needs to carry his Rehab letter with him each and every time he enters Canada even with the PR.....that is the thing I do not like about there sites..shoot rainbows up peoples butts...we have not had rainbows once and everything that the sites have suggested we do has turned out to be opposite...and I am not sure if you are aware that even the COPR/PR does not guaranteer entry into Canada and if you think it does you may want to read your fine print...End of Story!
Ya some people go to secondary, but all PRs eventually are let in once it's determined they're PRs. This is the right of a PR. I assume your husband has never actually been refused entry as a PR which is what everyone has always stated.

Possibly the only reasons a PR could be refused entry, is for serious criminal or terrorist related issues, which are not applicable to the vast majority of PRs.
 

zeloyyy

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Rob_TO said:
Ya some people go to secondary, but all PRs eventually are let in once it's determined they're PRs. This is the right of a PR. I assume your husband has never actually been refused entry as a PR which is what everyone has always stated.

Possibly the only reasons a PR could be refused entry, is for serious criminal or terrorist related issues, which are not applicable to the vast majority of PRs.
Ok, So i just landed today, and also i'm from a visa exempt country btw, the officer told me that actually it is NOT recommended to travel without an official travel doc(PR card or trvl doc) and handed me info for how to get a trvl doc in/outside of Canada. Please refer the link below, has anyone ever tried to travel in to Canada without an official document???????

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/travel-document/

I'm screwed, cos i already booked my trip (didnt think that i would get my PR THIS EARLY) and now i have to cancel because it takes 20 days to get the doc in my hand and i have to leave in 2 weeks....

ANy help would be good!, Share your experience anyone...
 

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zeloyyy said:
Ok, So i just landed today, and also i'm from a visa exempt country btw, the officer told me that actually it is NOT recommended to travel without an official travel doc(PR card or trvl doc) and handed me info for how to get a trvl doc in/outside of Canada. Please refer the link below, has anyone ever tried to travel in to Canada without an official document???????

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/travel-document/

I'm screwed, cos i already booked my trip (didnt think that i would get my PR THIS EARLY) and now i have to cancel because it takes 20 days to get the doc in my hand and i have to leave in 2 weeks....

ANy help would be good!, Share your experience anyone...
from what i understand, if you are visa exempt, you won't qualify for the PRTD. I thought that was only for those requiring visas to travel to canada? i'm sure someone will confirm...

where are you from? if you are visa exempt, all you need is your passport to get on the plane. you can take your COPR out of your passport to avoid questions from the airline, and you can state your purpose of travel is to visit (if asked). once at immigration in canada, you can get in with your passport and COPR. Many people do this daily without issue...
 

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zeloyyy said:
Ok, So i just landed today, and also i'm from a visa exempt country btw, the officer told me that actually it is NOT recommended to travel without an official travel doc(PR card or trvl doc) and handed me info for how to get a trvl doc in/outside of Canada. Please refer the link below, has anyone ever tried to travel in to Canada without an official document???????

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/travel-document/

I'm screwed, cos i already booked my trip (didnt think that i would get my PR THIS EARLY) and now i have to cancel because it takes 20 days to get the doc in my hand and i have to leave in 2 weeks....

ANy help would be good!, Share your experience anyone...
No, you do NOT have to cancel your trip if you'll be crossing at a land border in a private/personal vehicle. If you are flying, the eTA isn't needed until September.

Call CBSA and they'll tell you the same thing. They don't really need the PR Card, and will allow you to re-enter with just the COPR and your valid passport.
 

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Ponga said:
No, you do NOT have to cancel your trip if you'll be crossing at a land border in a private/personal vehicle.

Call CBSA and they'll tell you the same thing. They don't really need the PR Card, and will allow you to re-enter with just the COPR and your valid passport.
I missed that he is traveling by land. if that's the case i can confirm ONLY the COPR and Passport are required to enter by land. I did this many times before I received my PR card and had absolutely no issue at the border.

To the OP: a PRTD is only for flying, not for driving, so the subject is moot if you are actually driving. the information you received was not very good. and again, if you are flying, i think the PRTD is only available to those who are NOT visa exempt.
 

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zeloyyy said:
Ok, So i just landed today, and also i'm from a visa exempt country btw, the officer told me that actually it is NOT recommended to travel without an official travel doc(PR card or trvl doc) and handed me info for how to get a trvl doc in/outside of Canada.
They will always tell you that since that is the official stance from CBSA. This is nothing new. They have always said that a valid PR card is the document you need (along with your passport) to be guaranteed hassle free travel back to Canada. However, people with a visa-exempt passport can often board on the strength of their passport (for now) and not mention anything about being a PR. CBSA would not recommend this because this is not 100% guaranteed to work. But it works for most people. Of course when the eTA requirement comes into effect, all best are off.
 

zeloyyy

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CDNPR2014 said:
I missed that he is traveling by land. if that's the case i can confirm ONLY the COPR and Passport are required to enter by land. I did this many times before I received my PR card and had absolutely no issue at the border.

To the OP: a PRTD is only for flying, not for driving, so the subject is moot if you are actually driving. the information you received was not very good. and again, if you are flying, i think the PRTD is only available to those who are NOT visa exempt.
I'm flying and i'm from S.Korea...:-( it looks like a PRTD still applicable to everyone who wants to travel via air/ without a pr card...
 

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zeloyyy said:
I'm flying and i'm from S.Korea...:-( it looks like a PRTD still applicable to everyone who wants to travel via air/ without a pr card...
The last time my wife flew out of Incheon (last year), she was able to board with just her visa-exempt (US) passport. We took Korean Air. I think this is still ok until this September when eTA is enforced.
 

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zeloyyy said:
I'm flying and i'm from S.Korea...:-( it looks like a PRTD still applicable to everyone who wants to travel via air/ without a pr card...
Until Sept 29th when the eTA become mandatory, visa-exempt PRs can travel using just their passport. The airline will not know you are a PR unless you tell them, so don't say anything.