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Brutal Winter and a Jobless Immigrant family

Alexios07

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In other words, more focus on CEC applicants who already have a job here. Bringing FSWs in with irrelevant foreign work exp, and you got the OP's horror story.

DEEPCUR said:
OP is very much here and active in Citizenship forum. So he worked out his way or surviving somehow for 2 years.

If I remember well, I saw another post by someone from India who didn't like Canada for some other reasons mentioning that she had no issues in getting three 80k jobs in IT at Toronto in a span of 3 weeks coming fresh from India.
I really doubt her story, and I don't think she works in IT. According to her post history, she's a teacher in kindergarten or something like that, so it's very unlikely she can actually find a job that pay 80k in Toronto, especially for a FSW.
 

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I was on a 3 year WP with no experience and had only Bachelors degree when I started applying for job in Canada. Half of my application got rejected just for the fact that I have WP and I am not PR. Out of remaining application most of the job was asking for some experience and at one point I felt I am not going to survive or get a job in Canada.

However I didn't give up, I focused on learning and improving my skill so I can do better in interviews, I polished my resume to more align with types of job that I was applying for and I constantly kept searching and applying for jobs everyday. It took 3 and half months to get me a job but since then I had never struggle to find new opportunity to grow my career and keep moving forward.

Moral of this I would say if your attempts are not taking you anywhere, take a step back, think about what you can do differently and ask for some advise ( probably from professional who are in your field). There is always a path that leads to your goal, may be the one you are taking right now is not correct so find another which is right for you.
 

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Alexios07 said:
I really doubt her story, and I don't think she works in IT. According to her post history, she's a teacher in kindergarten or something like that, so it's very unlikely she can actually find a job that pay 80k in Toronto, especially for a FSW.
You can become Business Analyst or Tester. There are many firms who offers 4 to 6 months IT training based on that you can land pretty good Software Testing job, however within 3 weeks with no prior IT knowledge or experience it's very very unlikely.
 

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deerestlovelybear said:
Hi guys,

Looking at this excitement about applying for PR reminding me and my family of years ago when we was as excited as you guys applying for Permanent Resident. I still remember the date I got my PR visas for the entire family, it was like we are going to a paradise, it was the best day in our life, we was so happy.

But now the reality of a broken dream in Canada is killing us day by day. Since the day we landed in this land, supposed to be our dream new home, we have sent countless of job applications. We followed all the advices, we volunteered and work for free and being exploited till we could not stand any more. My wife and I both took turn going back to school and spent the last dollar of savings into our last investment in a hope of landing a white collar job. We are not looking for jobs that pay 100K, all we need is a decent white collar job that we do not have to hide our qualifications and experience back home, a job that feed our family and do not leave our back so painful we cannot sleep at night. Over 3 years since we are here, all we have are surviving jobs, we shoved snow, cut grass, cleaned toilet, watched over shops at night in dangerous areas, yet we are not able to save any money and we spent all our hard earned money we got before we came to Canada. We want our parents here to help taking care of the kids while we upgrade ourselves but the insurance cost of super visa is forbidden barrier and it is almost impossible to sponsor them to Canada, even the 5000 lucky people submitting application on the 1st day of the year when application is opened and earn tons of $$ to meet the income requirements need to wait over 10 years till the time their parent can come to Canada as PR.

The market here is simply too small and there is absolutely no white collar job for immigrants unless you already have family or friends who are in the position of hiring you. People here are nice but this is simply too small an economy to absorb the huge number of skilled immigrants each year. Canada has been admitting a quarter of million skilled workers every year over the past decades and if you look at the number of jobs created last year, you know where those people will end up to. Canada now is not like Canada in the 1980s and 1990s, the number of jobs created each year barely match the number of local graduates and schools here increase the intake year by year because international students is a huge source of their revenue. I am totally shocked at why the government keep adding too many skilled immigrants to the country every year despite the brutal reality and hardship that these immigrants have to go to. This is clearly inhumane and misleading. Many families from other countries are leaving everything behind in the false hope of a better life in Canada just to realize that there is nothing for them here and they have to clean toilet, wash dishes or drive taxi. No matter if you have PhD or are managers back home, there is nothing for you here to use your skills and knowledge.

If the purpose is to recruit foreign skilled workers to do labourer job then what about Canadian youth who are jobless and desperate to earn some money to pay back their tuition loan? I totally do not understand the system, it is completely a scam and it is brutal. Just last week I was laid off from my security guard job, turned out that it was filled by another young immigrant. I am pretty sure he get less than what I earned which is just slightly above the minimum wage for a night shift job. And now the winter is brutal, and our family is turning to meagre social assistant and EI that is hardly enough to put foot on the table. We do not know what to do, it is harsh here. We want to go back, but the thought of being looked at like a "loser" make us feel so painful. Everyday I look at the snow, I just feel like we made the worst decision to leave everything behind and we are paying for that decision.
you will NEVER be a loser. it takes courage to leave your country to start over again. it is not easy for immigrants it takes years to live the canadian dream. most of us have to start from zero,unless you come here as an investor and have a lot of money. sometimes i think about going back home but im strong. i started with a soft skill job now im working in a skilled profession but it took me months to find and finally get the job. this is my first winter and sometimes i think i shouldnt have come here but i think about my family back home and i find energy to continue. cheers. have faith things will get better.
 

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simplynd2804 said:
I was on a 3 year WP with no experience and had only Bachelors degree when I started applying for job in Canada. Half of my application got rejected just for the fact that I have WP and I am not PR. Out of remaining application most of the job was asking for some experience and at one point I felt I am not going to survive or get a job in Canada.

However I didn't give up, I focused on learning and improving my skill so I can do better in interviews, I polished my resume to more align with types of job that I was applying for and I constantly kept searching and applying for jobs everyday. It took 3 and half months to get me a job but since then I had never struggle to find new opportunity to grow my career and keep moving forward.

Moral of this I would say if your attempts are not taking you anywhere, take a step back, think about what you can do differently and ask for some advise ( probably from professional who are in your field). There is always a path that leads to your goal, may be the one you are taking right now is not correct so find another which is right for you.
Great job and keep strong!
 

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deerestlovelybear said:
Hi guys,

Looking at this excitement about applying for PR reminding me and my family of years ago when we was as excited as you guys applying for Permanent Resident. I still remember the date I got my PR visas for the entire family, it was like we are going to a paradise, it was the best day in our life, we was so happy.

But now the reality of a broken dream in Canada is killing us day by day. Since the day we landed in this land, supposed to be our dream new home, we have sent countless of job applications. We followed all the advices, we volunteered and work for free and being exploited till we could not stand any more. My wife and I both took turn going back to school and spent the last dollar of savings into our last investment in a hope of landing a white collar job. We are not looking for jobs that pay 100K, all we need is a decent white collar job that we do not have to hide our qualifications and experience back home, a job that feed our family and do not leave our back so painful we cannot sleep at night. Over 3 years since we are here, all we have are surviving jobs, we shoved snow, cut grass, cleaned toilet, watched over shops at night in dangerous areas, yet we are not able to save any money and we spent all our hard earned money we got before we came to Canada. We want our parents here to help taking care of the kids while we upgrade ourselves but the insurance cost of super visa is forbidden barrier and it is almost impossible to sponsor them to Canada, even the 5000 lucky people submitting application on the 1st day of the year when application is opened and earn tons of $$ to meet the income requirements need to wait over 10 years till the time their parent can come to Canada as PR.

The market here is simply too small and there is absolutely no white collar job for immigrants unless you already have family or friends who are in the position of hiring you. People here are nice but this is simply too small an economy to absorb the huge number of skilled immigrants each year. Canada has been admitting a quarter of million skilled workers every year over the past decades and if you look at the number of jobs created last year, you know where those people will end up to. Canada now is not like Canada in the 1980s and 1990s, the number of jobs created each year barely match the number of local graduates and schools here increase the intake year by year because international students is a huge source of their revenue. I am totally shocked at why the government keep adding too many skilled immigrants to the country every year despite the brutal reality and hardship that these immigrants have to go to. This is clearly inhumane and misleading. Many families from other countries are leaving everything behind in the false hope of a better life in Canada just to realize that there is nothing for them here and they have to clean toilet, wash dishes or drive taxi. No matter if you have PhD or are managers back home, there is nothing for you here to use your skills and knowledge.

If the purpose is to recruit foreign skilled workers to do labourer job then what about Canadian youth who are jobless and desperate to earn some money to pay back their tuition loan? I totally do not understand the system, it is completely a scam and it is brutal. Just last week I was laid off from my security guard job, turned out that it was filled by another young immigrant. I am pretty sure he get less than what I earned which is just slightly above the minimum wage for a night shift job. And now the winter is brutal, and our family is turning to meagre social assistant and EI that is hardly enough to put foot on the table. We do not know what to do, it is harsh here. We want to go back, but the thought of being looked at like a "loser" make us feel so painful. Everyday I look at the snow, I just feel like we made the worst decision to leave everything behind and we are paying for that decision.
I am late in reading this post but thank you for sharing. It will certainly give those of us who are in the application process inspiration and things to think about. Keep strong and fight the fight!
 

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malican said:
I am late in reading this post but thank you for sharing. It will certainly give those of us who are in the application process inspiration and things to think about. Keep strong and fight the fight!
yessss fight the fight! +1
 

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You should move in another province, I am sure there is a better life for you in Canada, you just have to endure the hardship!
 

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man i dont understand this concept of being so hung up on white collar jobs... sometimes in life we have to do menial jobs... i would rather be doing those kind of jobs in canada than say in india where i come from... atleast in canada i would get some respect from others for doing these kind of jobs... work is work - you just have to suck it up and do it... atleast in the start.

but anyway it depends on what you want to achieve in life, how old you are and so on... maybe its not something i would consider doing in my late 30s you know... but anyway good luck with whatever you do, you also have to remember that immigration isnt really to help ourselves you know.. its for our children mostly...
 

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thestunner316 said:
man i dont understand this concept of being so hung up on white collar jobs... sometimes in life we have to do menial jobs... i would rather be doing those kind of jobs in canada than say in india where i come from... atleast in canada i would get some respect from others for doing these kind of jobs... work is work - you just have to suck it up and do it... atleast in the start.

but anyway it depends on what you want to achieve in life, how old you are and so on... maybe its not something i would consider doing in my late 30s you know... but anyway good luck with whatever you do, you also have to remember that immigration isnt really to help ourselves you know.. its for our children mostly...
Agree 100%

I'd rather take 1/3rd of my salary to work in Canada. Get me back to the mountains.
 

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deerestlovelybear said:
Hi guys,

Looking at this excitement about applying for PR reminding me and my family of years ago when we was as excited as you guys applying for Permanent Resident. I still remember the date I got my PR visas for the entire family, it was like we are going to a paradise, it was the best day in our life, we was so happy.

But now the reality of a broken dream in Canada is killing us day by day. Since the day we landed in this land, supposed to be our dream new home, we have sent countless of job applications. We followed all the advices, we volunteered and work for free and being exploited till we could not stand any more. My wife and I both took turn going back to school and spent the last dollar of savings into our last investment in a hope of landing a white collar job. We are not looking for jobs that pay 100K, all we need is a decent white collar job that we do not have to hide our qualifications and experience back home, a job that feed our family and do not leave our back so painful we cannot sleep at night. Over 3 years since we are here, all we have are surviving jobs, we shoved snow, cut grass, cleaned toilet, watched over shops at night in dangerous areas, yet we are not able to save any money and we spent all our hard earned money we got before we came to Canada. We want our parents here to help taking care of the kids while we upgrade ourselves but the insurance cost of super visa is forbidden barrier and it is almost impossible to sponsor them to Canada, even the 5000 lucky people submitting application on the 1st day of the year when application is opened and earn tons of $$ to meet the income requirements need to wait over 10 years till the time their parent can come to Canada as PR.

The market here is simply too small and there is absolutely no white collar job for immigrants unless you already have family or friends who are in the position of hiring you. People here are nice but this is simply too small an economy to absorb the huge number of skilled immigrants each year. Canada has been admitting a quarter of million skilled workers every year over the past decades and if you look at the number of jobs created last year, you know where those people will end up to. Canada now is not like Canada in the 1980s and 1990s, the number of jobs created each year barely match the number of local graduates and schools here increase the intake year by year because international students is a huge source of their revenue. I am totally shocked at why the government keep adding too many skilled immigrants to the country every year despite the brutal reality and hardship that these immigrants have to go to. This is clearly inhumane and misleading. Many families from other countries are leaving everything behind in the false hope of a better life in Canada just to realize that there is nothing for them here and they have to clean toilet, wash dishes or drive taxi. No matter if you have PhD or are managers back home, there is nothing for you here to use your skills and knowledge.

If the purpose is to recruit foreign skilled workers to do labourer job then what about Canadian youth who are jobless and desperate to earn some money to pay back their tuition loan? I totally do not understand the system, it is completely a scam and it is brutal. Just last week I was laid off from my security guard job, turned out that it was filled by another young immigrant. I am pretty sure he get less than what I earned which is just slightly above the minimum wage for a night shift job. And now the winter is brutal, and our family is turning to meagre social assistant and EI that is hardly enough to put foot on the table. We do not know what to do, it is harsh here. We want to go back, but the thought of being looked at like a "loser" make us feel so painful. Everyday I look at the snow, I just feel like we made the worst decision to leave everything behind and we are paying for that decision.


What you are saying might be right but life is tough everywhere unless you are rich as hell or you have high paying job with all the perks in your home country.

If you have to start from zero it will be tough for you anywhere in the world. If you think that being lazy you get away in your home country is not done you have to work hard to earn and take steps in your life.


Thes estimations are made in the view of living in Toronto or Missisauga.

There are thousands of survival jobs in canada. In Canada lowest paid wage is $12 per hour. If both husband and wife work for 40 hrs a week you will get income of $960 a week multiply it by 52 weeks in a year your yearly income will be 50,000 CAD.

Now $50,000 income
less: income tax 15% and other taxes 5%

You will have $40,000 after tax

If your expenses are $1000 for 1 bedroom apartment with all utilities included in a building you will not get fined for snow in apartment living on 10th floor.

And you will pay $150 for TT bus metro pass for 1 person a month so $300 for 2 persons in transportation.

And 300-400 groceries and 200-300 other items shopping and 300-400 for outdoors dinners in a restaurant and picnics a month

Your expenses will be

Housing $1000
Transport $300
Grocery and other shopping $700
Dinners in a restaurant picnics $400
Other expenses $100

Total expenses = $2500 a month.

So now that makes yearly expenses $30,000 and income is $40,000
Means $10,000 are savings. And you are not going to live on low wage all your life if you are educated you will get a nice job of $18-20 per hour hence resulting in more savings. My cousin done survival jobs in toronto for a year and He said me I have saved more in survival job of $13 per hr that I would have saved in my home country in 3-4 yrs. And than he got a Job of his related field in which now he earns $5000 after tax. So everything takes hardwork time and patience.

So with now even minimum wage you are saving $10,000 a yr. With all the previliges of living in a safe and sound envoirment good health care system quality education for your kids and with human rights and after 4-5 yrs canadian passport which will enable you to travel around the world. If you cant work for all these things than you are good for nothing hard work is needed in every part of the life you cant remain lazy and ask for the money to shower.
 

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And now people will say everyone cant get 40 hr job from starting. Look if OP got a job of 10-20 hrs even if it is a survival job there are still other ways to find another part time jobs. I know some people who have 25-30 hrs job a week and they do weekend 10-15 hrs part time jobs as well for a start. You have to do extensive research before moving into another country if you have burnt all your ships and come to canada with all your savings and not living in the false world that you will get a white collar jobs from the start then stop day dreaming.

Lots of people say here that dont do survival jobs etc etc. My advise is that do whatever you can do just dont run behind a white collar job and before going to canada always do enough research about the place you are going to about expenses and income there.

If you are only getting 10-20 hrs of work per week that means you are free a lot of the times in this free time try to find another jobs go to job fairs, look for more jobs drop your CV even in the places where there are no jobs for now but who knows if a position opens they will call you.

I know Alex D Lp canada law firm in his youtube video he provided his address and told that anyone can come upto him and his team will help for free. And do not pay any money to anyone who will promise you to find a job. You can visit kjiji, indeed and other sites lots of job offers are there you can search your neighbourhoods to find jobs lots of places have a help board there you can do some work. Dont sit idle and grow your way up doing 10-20 hrs job and cursing canada for it will not land you a job. I know every person who looked for a job religiously have found one.

And I have read OPs posts and I can assurely say that he is trying to discourage by saying that there are no jobs if he is not able to find anything it does not mean that there are no jobs. I respect OPs view and opinions but if he wants to share his experience then he should have done it in a right way that look guys I have done this mistake of coming to canada with all my savings and i have left no option for myself so please if you come to canada please left yourself other options to fall back on.

By saying that there are no jobs extreme weather canadian economy is going down people are homeless sleeping on subway stations in this extreme weather he is trying to discourage new applicants. Look whoever goes to canada know that the weather is extreme so its individual's choice weather to go or not to go and if you have all these problems than why you are still sticking in Canada and looking for citizenship go back to your home country. These double standards should not come in first place you are abusing and cursing canada that it is going in third world and in another you want citizenship if canada is that bad pack your bags and go to your home country. These kind of people should not be accepted at first they curse the country and second they want all the benifits and rights of having canadian citizenship.
 

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OP is correct. There is no good job available in Canada market now and winter weather is horrible.
 
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ttrajan said:
OP is correct. There is no good job available in Canada market now and winter weather is horrible.
Well you could easily check the general climate of where you are planning to live before you get there. Canada is generally known for being very very cold.

As for the job market, unless you are tied to somewhere, MOVE. you decided to go to another country for a better life. If you can move countries then you can easily move cities.