Bill C-6: Senate stage

[itsmyid]

You do realize that the 4/6 favours those who travels more than the 3/4 rule. As for language requirements, that makes a lot of sense. Learn the language if you want to be Canadian. Remember the famous line. "When in Rome, do as the Roman do".

you just can't help not to judge here can you? I wasn't commenting on whether they make sense or not, just stating facts - and none of those things affect me in any way - having that 180-day rule helps people who travels often? if you spent less than 180 days in Canada for certain year you basically have to re-start the clock: if you stay in Canada from year 1-3, but stay outside more than 180 in year 4, then you will have to wait till year 8 to qualify again, assuming you meet the requirement for year 3, 5, 6, 7

 

[screech339]

you just can't help not to judge here can you? I wasn't commenting on whether they make sense or not, just stating facts - and none of those things affect me in any way - having that 180-day rule helps people who travels often? if you spent less than 180 days in Canada for certain year you basically have to re-start the clock

That is not true. You only need to meet 180 days in any of the 4 years out of 6. If you fail the one year, you still have 4 qualifying years out of the 5 years left. You don't "start" over if you missed one year. Run the online calculator to know your "reset" does not happen over one failed year.

Keeping failing 180 day annual requirement most of the 6 years (3 years or more) means you are not really a physical resident of Canada to qualify and technically not a resident of Canada in the year you failed. And like a PR RO, it is a rolling obligation year. There's no starting 6 year period all over again. Miss one year, you wait an another year to qualify until you meet 4 years out of 6.

You can still qualify for citizenship if you have been out of Canada for 2 years out of 6 years (730 days). You can have 121 absent days out of Canada per year over 6 years. That is more favourable for frequent travelers than being out of Canada 1 year (365 days) out of 4 under 3/4 rule (91 absent days / year over 4 years). Frequent travelers gain an extra 30 day per year absent outside Canada under 4/6 over 3/4.

The 3/5 rule is definitely more favourable for frequency travelers. They only need to absent 146 days / year over 5 years. That leaves them to be inside Canada 7.3 months a year. I got to say that is pushing the envelope to meeting the 6 months residency.

 

[monalisa]

@screech339 @itsmyid @etc.....

Delays in process were intentionally, believe me

If applicant prints the calculator days and attach with application, CIC already have all our documents and info.
So the process is just to verify number of days, sit for citizenship exam, oath day and thats it.

So please stop arguing and fighting because you have to follow rules if you like it or not

If you want to nag and complaint please go to you MP or senate 8)

 

[itsmyid]

@screech339 @itsmyid @etc.....

Delays in process were intentionally, believe me

If applicant prints the calculator days and attach with application, CIC already have all our documents and info.
So the process is just to verify number of days, sit for citizenship exam, oath day and thats it.

So please stop arguing and fighting because you have to follow rules if you like it or not

If you want to nag and complaint please go to you MP or senate 8)

Of course it is intentional. All the information such as police record , tax information , employment record, residential information/utility bills... are all stored in certain data networks that can easily be searched with a few clicks. I wouldn't be surprised it took this long to process if it were 10 years ago when those networks were still not advanced enough or not invented yet, but in year 2017 it still takes more than a 6 months ... that's just ridiculous

 

[MUFC]

Of course it is intentional. All the information such as police record , tax information , employment record, residential information/utility bills... are all stored in certain data networks that can easily be searched with a few clicks. I wouldn't be surprised it took this long to process if it were 10 years ago when those networks were still not advanced enough or not invented yet, but in year 2017 it still takes more than a 6 months ... that's just ridiculous

The lack of staffing and citizenship judges are the main contributors for the current average of 6 months of processing times. Once the flood gate is opened there will be two main bottlenecks
1. In Sydney
2. Waiting for the Oath ( since the Oath is administered by limited citizenship judges)
exactly at stage number 2 people will start facing more delays due to the fact of the expired security checks. As you now nobody will be allowed to attend the Oath with expired security checks.

 

[_MK_]

I agree that with each passing year of 4/6 rule since implementation that the processing will go back to pre 4/6 rule with one exception. The processing time will still not be as long as 3/4 rules. It is likely that due to a slower return to pre-4/6 rule, CIC is able to handle the volume much better and maintain the timeline listed for 4/6 when all those affected by 4/6 rule now qualifies. This is also due to eliminating the "subjective" basic residency qualification. This, in turn, removes the need for citizenship judges freeing up their times to dedicate more towards "citizenship oath" appointments. Along with allowing CIC access to CRA income tax records, the process will go a lot faster than 3/4 rule.

So you agree that 3/5 rule will not have a very big impact on the processing time in the long run since this bill only changes the number of days you have to be present? All the other rules/processes that sped up the system remains in place.

 

[monalisa]

@screech339

As your wife and many others were delayed cause of 4/6 rule remember that many others who completed 3 years will be delayed waiting for rule 3/5 to be implemented :'(

 

[rrajendra]

The lack of staffing and citizenship judges are the main contributors for the current average of 6 months of processing times. Once the flood gate is opened there will be two main bottlenecks
1. In Sydney
2. Waiting for the Oath ( since the Oath is administered by limited citizenship judges)
exactly at stage number 2 people will start facing more delays due to the fact of the expired security checks. As you now nobody will be allowed to attend the Oath with expired security checks.

Could you please explain what stage number 2 people means? Also, do you know how long the security checks are valid?

 

[Joshua1]

Could you please explain what stage number 2 people means? Also, do you know how long the security checks are valid?

As someone else said, you need to take everything with a grain of salt, even when it's factual. A lot of people here simply love to write and be read by others. Their assertions are merely speculative. No one knows for sure when this bill will come into effect and how it will affect the citizenship application processes. Tomorrow is a big day for speculative comments.

 

[screech339]

@screech339

As your wife and many others were delayed cause of 4/6 rule remember that many others who completed 3 years will be delayed waiting for rule 3/5 to be implemented :'(

Yes. My wife was impacted by 4/6 rule. But at least her application will go fast under the new processing time of 4/6 rule. I rather her wait an extra 1.5 years to qualify with faster processing time than have her apply under 3/4 rule and wait endlessly for citizenship because "basic residency" requirement was abused by taking up judges' valuable time explaining why he/she should get citizenship when they clearly didnt meet 1095 day rule.

 

[spiritsoul]

As someone else said, you need to take everything with a grain of salt, even when it's factual. A lot of people here simply love to write and be read by others. Their assertions are merely speculative. No one knows for sure when this bill will come into effect and how it will affect the citizenship application processes. Tomorrow is a big day for speculative comments.

Tomorrow is a crucial speculative day, AGREE

 

[MUFC]

Could you please explain what stage number 2 people means? Also, do you know how long the security checks are valid?

There are at least 3 security and background checks
1. CSIS
2. RCMP
3. International
Usually CIC considers valid a security check if it's done by a request of CIC NO MORE than a year old. Some of the above checks are started at Sydney and they have to be all valid until the Oath.
If any of these check expires due to long processing times that file is stuck until someone renew those checks. The process of someone in CIC to realize and renew those checks often adds few more months on top of the overall delay.
But of course here the majority wants only to apply, they don't care when it will finish at least not for now .

 

[Ulysses]

Wait 4 years to apply and get citizenship processed in 6 months. Total time after PR: 4 + 0.5 = 4.5 years.
Wait 3 years to apply and get citizenship processed in 12 months. Total time after PR: 3 + 1 = 4 years.

Which do you think lets everyone attain it faster? The bill is supposed to be fair to everyone and that includes all current and "FUTURE" immigrants.

That is a strange equation as it doesn't take into account those thousands of residents who have been living in Canada as foreign students or workers, who get 1 year of residency from pre PR days.

For people like them, 3/5 means they can apply 2 years after becoming a PR, so the total time is 2+1 = 3 years assuming 1 year of processing time.

There are people who have lived in this country legally for close to a decade before they became PRs, during which they have paid taxes and contributed otherwise to the nation. Treating them and freshly landed PRs the same way, is a bit unfair.

 

[Joshua1]

There are at least 3 security and background checks
1. CSIS
2. RCMP
3. International
Usually CIC considers valid a security check if it's done by a request of CIC NO MORE than a year old. Some of the above checks are started at Sydney and they have to be all valid until the Oath.
If any of these check expires due to long processing times that file is stuck until someone renew those checks. The process of someone in CIC to realize and renew those checks often adds few more months on top of the overall delay.
But of course here the majority wants only to apply, they don't care when it will finish at least not for now .

Both those who care and don't care how long it takes to process the applications have no control over anything. We are all in the same boat.

 

[hangincanada]

Tomorrow is a crucial speculative day, AGREE

maybe it is carried tomorrow...after continuously debating in the last two sittings.