None of us can answer that question.faizal3788 said:when they lift the ban?
A sensible answer. But several of the statistics have changed.mowtan said:Two years ago the government made the programme more attractive to companies saying that they could pay 15%less than the average wage in the job.....
What the government has realised, because the C D Howe Institute told them, is that allowing TFW in unchecked is depressing wages, at a time when average median wages should have gone up by 3%, they have gone up by less than 2%, and unemployment in the west is 3.8% higher than it should be.
So the arguement is that TFWs are increasing unemployment and depressing wages. Let me illustrate that. Cara Operations,who operate such roadhouse style restaurants as Milestones and Kelseys are seeking Chefs at $20/25PH (salaried). These are restaurants where all the ordering is done according to a set plan, and the chef basically has no discretion in what is served. Good restaurants where the chef is required to have superior skills, staffing,ordering, menu planning etc would probably be looking at a minimum twice that amount, say $70/80 thousand per annum. I suspect most of you who are chefs are being offered maybe $12/13PH.
This why there is a problem, because you are right, a chef will not take a job at $13 when he knows he is worth, and can get twice that amount.
No one is blaming TFW, we are blaming companies who are trying to get cheap labour, at the same time as they are denying Canadian residents jobs
I really doubt that it would be that hard to find Canadians who are qualified to pour coffee at a Tim Hortons or assemble burgers at McDonalds. I personally don't see why we need to import people from halfway around the world for these positions, and then provide these people with backdoor access to PR and Citizenship.fkl said:That's a year ago. A good deal of tfw are also from highly skilled jobs making err... quite a lot more than what normal Canadians do. And that's because you do not have qualified Canadians for those roles.
TFW is a program with a large number of professions MANY of those belong to highly skilled categories, including but not limited to University professors. Tim Horton or MacDonalds is NOT the only category covered. Some how debates seem to stick around those ONLY.torontosm said:I really doubt that it would be that hard to find Canadians who are qualified to pour coffee at a Tim Hortons or assemble burgers at McDonalds. I personally don't see why we need to import people from halfway around the world for these positions, and then provide these people with backdoor access to PR and Citizenship.
May be, but it is not likely. Because managers fall into all professions you recruit for. You cannot have a not specialized manager overseeing a team of specialized skills. And i am pretty sure they know that. So i don't think that would fly.zardoz said:Maybe they'll end with a TFW system only for NOC skill levels A+B (managers not needed). Who knows.....
perhaps they are offering the minimum allowable rate by law, which is lower than Canadian workers? This is my guess, since it seems to be mostly the food/service industry affected by this. Companies in the US do it all the time... just google equal pay + women + US. We are still fighting for equal pay for equal work, even in 2014.fkl said:Also i simply don't understand how is it possible to keep some one on wages lower than those offered to Canadians. HRDSC would specifically reject an LMO if the wages offered are not exactly at least equivalent to those offered to a Canadian for a similar role. If the employer does not actually practice it, then government should enforce rules making it harder not to follow, rather than abolishing the program altogether.
That is true, but then again you could do the same even to Canadians. There is always a boundary drawn by law for pays, and there is a level achieved by free market, personal skills and ability. Women not being treated equally is a different story even in the US. That has nothing to do with TFW - at least not directly.rhcohen2014 said:perhaps they are offering the minimum allowable rate by law, which is lower than Canadian workers? This is my guess, since it seems to be mostly the food/service industry affected by this. Companies in the US do it all the time... just google equal pay + women + US. We are still fighting for equal pay for equal work, even in 2014.
well, yeah i know that! i was using it as an example of unequal pay for equal work.fkl said:That is true, but then again you could do the same even to Canadians. There is always a boundary drawn by law for pays, and there is a level achieved by free market, personal skills and ability. Women not being treated equally is a different story even in the US. That has nothing to do with TFW - at least not directly.
Yes. NOC 6251 - meat cutter is suspended.tetay26 said:does the moratorium includes Meat Processing Plants e.g. Cargil - meatcutters?
I really don't understand ... Is Canadian Govt believe only the chefs who flips the burgers...is that a big deal? come on >> i am an professional chef who got hired for high standard restaurant with Professional Culinary Degree and experience of 8 yrs .. I applied through TFW as I got a job for that particular restaurant ...if not I wont be applying as I have more passion on fresh ingredients and quality food been serviced..torontosm said:I really doubt that it would be that hard to find Canadians who are qualified to pour coffee at a Tim Hortons or assemble burgers at McDonalds. I personally don't see why we need to import people from halfway around the world for these positions, and then provide these people with backdoor access to PR and Citizenship.
Well there definitely is some abuse of the program. Not denying that. But then again, it is just easier to create a hype portraying "low wages - poor workers who wouldn't say any thing" as a cause. You know when being a Canadian you are frustrated with finding a job, this kind of news really ignites the emotions, even if it is a bit exaggerated OR as in this case, expanded to cover on a broader scale any or every thing possible. Comparatively it is harder to brush your own skills and work with dedication.faizal3788 said:I really don't understand ... Is Canadian Govt believe only the chefs who flips the burgers...is that a big deal? come on >> i am an professional chef who got hired for high standard restaurant with Professional Culinary Degree and experience of 8 yrs .. I applied through TFW as I got a job for that particular restaurant ...if not I wont be applying as I have more passion on fresh ingredients and quality food been serviced..