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To be clear, a Canadian Permanent Resident is not a Foreign National, and thus is NOT eligible for a PR visa in any class, including FSW.

If a PR has made an application for a visa only available to Foreign Nationals, such as a FSW PR application, at some step in processing the application, probably sooner rather than later, CIC should recognize that the applicant is an individual with PR status and that will (at least ordinarily) lead to the application being denied, summarily, because of ineligibility.

Yes, the downside of having made that application is that this is something that could trigger CIC to conduct a residency examination, leading to removal proceedings. In the process of such proceedings, however, the PR has an opportunity to submit H&C grounds, which in this context, as noted in my previous post, opens the door very wide for the PR to submit any information the PR thinks might favour retention of PR status.

david1697 said:
. . . what made me puzzled about possible outcome of the OP case is the fact that he applied for FSW prior to embarking on his last journey to Canada. If there was no pending FSW and CBSA didn't report him at entry, then his chances would be more or less straightforward and he could just stay 730+ days in Canada and fully restore all his privileges.

Question is: could CIC , in the course of adjudicating a benefit OP applied for (FSW) , move on to initiate removal proceedings?

FSW application carries all the residency information CIC needs to examine his RO.

I was totally clueless as to what would happen to OP under the circumstances he is currently in and suggested him to consult an attorney.

What would be your thoughts on this particular regard (pending FSW while OP is in Canada as 'waived' by CBSA PR, although in breach of RO)?
Beyond what I just noted above, I think the additional note I made in a separate post above is an adequate response for now . . . there are no guarantees as to how things will go if indeed CIC does pursue a residency examination . . . and of course there are numerous particular details which will have substantial impact. (A key factor could be how recent, how frequent, and for what duration were the holiday visits to Canada before coming to Canada this time? Among many others.)

The additional note explained why I was not going into much detail about the specific factors. I quote it here for reference:

dpenabill said:
Additional note: I did not go into much detail about the specific factors tending to support a favourable H&C assessment in your case. Frankly, there is little need to do so at this stage. Only if you are contacted by CIC, and CIC is pursuing a Residency Examination, will you need to articulate and document the various factors to be considered in assessing whether you should lose PR status or be allowed to retain PR status.

That is, again, at this point, with no indication there are any removal proceedings initiated, just stay, work, and live the normal life of a PR in Canada. That is, after all, your status, you are one more PR among hundreds of thousands of other PRs in Canada.

If CIC does initiate proceedings and conducts a Residency Examination, best to see a lawyer, but in any event that is when you will want to focus on compiling all the positive, supporting information and documentation you can.

By the way, you could at least consult with a lawyer for little more than what it would cost to make a new PR application. No reason to do this unless, until, again, you are contacted by CIC and CIC is pursuing a Residency Examination.
It probably warrants noting that revocation or surrender of PR status now will not save an already made FSW PR application. Ineligibility at the time of applying will result in that application being rejected. (Well, odd things sometimes happen contrary to what is the standard course.) As noted in my first post in this topic, to me the best path forward is not unclear, but actually is quite clear: stay in Canada, and if CIC initiates a Residency Examination, muster one's best H&C case and ride it out.
 

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dpenabill said:
To be clear, a Canadian Permanent Resident is not a Foreign National, and thus is NOT eligible for a PR visa in any class, including FSW.

If a PR has made an application for a visa only available to Foreign Nationals, such as a FSW PR application, at some step in processing the application, probably sooner rather than later, CIC should recognize that the applicant is an individual with PR status and that will (at least ordinarily) lead to the application being denied, summarily, because of ineligibility.

Yes, the downside of having made that application is that this is something that could trigger CIC to conduct a residency examination, leading to removal proceedings. In the process of such proceedings, however, the PR has an opportunity to submit H&C grounds, which in this context, as noted in my previous post, opens the door very wide for the PR to submit any information the PR thinks might favour retention of PR status.

Beyond what I just noted above, I think the additional note I made in a separate post above is an adequate response for now . . . there are no guarantees as to how things will go if indeed CIC does pursue a residency examination . . . and of course there are numerous particular details which will have substantial impact. (A key factor could be how recent, how frequent, and for what duration were the holiday visits to Canada before coming to Canada this time? Among many others.)

The additional note explained why I was not going into much detail about the specific factors. I quote it here for reference:

It probably warrants noting that revocation or surrender of PR status now will not save an already made FSW PR application. Ineligibility at the time of applying will result in that application being rejected. (Well, odd things sometimes happen contrary to what is the standard course.) As noted in my first post in this topic, to me the best path forward is not unclear, but actually is quite clear: stay in Canada, and if CIC initiates a Residency Examination, muster one's best H&C case and ride it out.
I was about to leave this thread for good, to avoid continuation of a debate that veered way off the purpose and intent of OP.
Glad that you have entered the discussion and contributed your opinion which is directly related to concerns of OP.

In regards to PR not being eligible for PR, I had no doubts about it. It was clear to me that FSW would be denied if OP remained a PR at the time of adjudication of FSW. But I was not sure whether OP could renounce his existing PR to qualify for FSW, as the other poster suggested.
I understand from what you stated above that CIC would ,at the time of adjudicating FSW, consider the status of OP at the time of the receipt of the application. And thus, even if OP formally renounced his PR status at any time after submission of FSW application, the FSW would be denied because OP was a PR at the time when FSW application was received by CIC.
If correct, it's very important information. It means OP should not expect any benefit whatsoever from submission of his FSW application, no matter what he does (renounces PR, departs Canada and etc.) .

The biggest question remains: what would happen to OP's current PR status once CIC processes his FSW application?
Would it trigger CIC to conduct a residency examination, as usually is the case when someone applies for a benefit such as PR renewal, travel document or admission to Canada?
If OP stays on board and eventually shares his actual experience, it would be interesting to know.

If the unfortunate happens and CIC decides to use the information from FSW application to conduct residency examination and ultimately finds OP short of 730 days presence in past 5 years, I sincerely doubt that his studies abroad would qualify for H&C waiver.
If his parents took him abroad and he stayed there until he was 22 (will be 19 under a new law), he could argue that he was depending on the decisions made by his parents. As it stands, he admits to have made a decision on his own. So, I am not sure how could he argue that there were H&C grounds to stay in UK to continue his education.
He also doesn't seem to have children with ties to Canada or children outside of Canada whose welfare could be seriously affected by revoking his PR status.
While regulations mandate close look and consideration of H&C grounds, I don't see anything OP posted so far that would qualify him for H&C waiver.
I have read some cases decided by Canadian High Courts. The length, details and extent to which Courts go in deciding cases makes it very clear to me that the mandate is taken quite seriously and due process of law is upheld in deciding such cases, However, what I also noticed was how high the bar is and how very few, if any, exceptions and hardships would qualify under the H&C grounds.
Could OP make an H&C argument? No doubt he can. Will he have grounds to qualify for H&C waiver? May be yes . I don't know the full story of OP. I can only see what he posted so far
But if he made a conscious decision to stay in UK to finish his studies and if there are no children involved whose welfare can be affected by his loss of PR in Canada, how could he still be successful in arguing for H&C grounds?
 

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dpenabill said:
Yes, the downside of having made that application is that this is something that could trigger CIC to conduct a residency examination, leading to removal proceedings.
Right, the key word being could, not "required" to conduct RO exam as another poster here incorrectly assumed. Once determination of PR status is made, whether they are or aren't in compliance with RO would have no bearing on the FSW app being rejected, so FSW visa officer may or may not then decide to investigate further, or simply move on to the next app.

Would be curious if you have actually seen any other cases of a PR not meeting RO submitting an app for something that does not usually involve an RO investigation, and what the result was.

If OP also decides to simply stay in Canada 2 years, it's of course in their best interest to immediately cancel the FSW app already submitted, to potentially avoid any further review into it.

In the process of such proceedings, however, the PR has an opportunity to submit H&C grounds, which in this context, as noted in my previous post, opens the door very wide for the PR to submit any information the PR thinks might favour retention of PR status.
In a previous post you mentioned you thought he had odds in his favour of overcoming any RO challenge. I am again curious if you have reference to any specific cases in which a PR successfully won an RO challenge where they had simply made a personal choice to study and then work outside Canada, with none of the more obvious H&C items in play (medical, serious family issue, being forced to leave as a minor, etc).

The immediate response if anyone asks on this site from pretty much everyone, is that studying and working simply do not qualify for H&C, period. So if that general assumption is wrong, would be interesting to hear about a case supporting it.


It probably warrants noting that revocation or surrender of PR status now will not save an already made FSW PR application. Ineligibility at the time of applying will result in that application being rejected. (Well, odd things sometimes happen contrary to what is the standard course.)
An interesting point. The only comparable I have seen is verbage in the family class operations manual that states VOs have some discretion when the status of an applicant changes during processing, to simply accept the change on the fly and continuing processing of app under new status. The theoretical impact of this (I saw only 1 case but not what the end result was) is for someone applying as a conjugal partner, but during processing getting married/becoming common-law. By definition since they were able to marry, the initial conjugal status at time of application would have been rejected, yet the visa officer does have the discretion to continue on with the app under new status and not require a brand new app to be submitted.

I wonder in this FSW case, if someone who was a PR when applied, but not a PR when app was started processing, would also get benefit of the same. I guess it depends if when FSW VO checks their initial bio info, if a note on renounced PR would also be shown.
 

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Rob_TO said:
Right, the key word being could, not "required" to conduct RO exam as another poster here incorrectly assumed.
Do not lie. I never asserted with certainty that RO examination will happen due to FSW, I questioned why it couldn't happen when you asserted the opposite.

First, disclaimer from my very first reply to OP regarding his case, Reply # 3, left on January 02,2015:
Above is my pure guess, based on application of logic and my general understanding of the operation of law.
I do not know about statutory regulations applicable in the specific case circumstances as yours.
Further ,below is excerpt from Reply #5, left by me on January 02,2015, where I raised the subject:
...what will happen to his current PR status when CIC looks into his FSW application and finds out that he didn't meet his RO? Wouldn't his FSW application provide full residence information , relying upon which CIC could determine that he lived outside of Canada and failed to meet his RO? What if CIC takes a look at his FSW application and finds out about his failure to meet RO before his petition to withdraw FSW is processed?
Even if petition to withdraw is received before his failure to meet RO is formally discovered, can't CIC (if it so chooses) still take action against him based on residency information provided in his currently pending FSW application?
Also, from one of my replies,Reply #13, left on January 03,2015:
The short answer to (OP) question is: I don't know. And I am sure, neither do you know what will happen to OP, to his FSW app and his current PR status if he takes one or another action.

Therefore, what we are debating are hypothetical possibilities (yes, in effect we both speculate, since we don't know anything about the case law of OP , nor heard of similar cases).
I am not going to debate with you, but I will not remain silent if you misrepresent what I stated.
 

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david1697 said:
Do not lie. I never asserted with certainty that RO examination will happen due to FSW, I questioned why it couldn't happen when you asserted the opposite.u misrepresent what I stated.
1st page:
And wouldn't the very act of determining the applicant's current PR status require the CIC officer to look into dates of Residency (which is part of FSW application)?
But it really is a difference of opinion on what logical steps would be followed, and I don't want to get into that again.
If i misrepresented what you stated then I apologize for that, but believe you have done exactly the same thing with my quotes as well.
 

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Rob_TO said:
1st page:
But it really is a difference of opinion on what logical steps would be followed, and I don't want to get into that again.
If i misrepresented what you stated then I apologize for that, but believe you have done exactly the same thing with my quotes as well.
No, in this particular instance it's not a difference of opinion, it's you misrepresenting what I stated all along.

In regards to quote you site, what part of "wouldn't" and a "?"(question mark) is not clear to you?
How questioning you and your logic is an assertion and equivalent of "will be" ?

The quote you bring is from Reply #7 (AFTER my replies #3 and #5 and YOUR responses to those).
Here is the context of Reply #7:
But , according to your logic, wouldn't Canadian CIC first have to determine that applicant for FSW is indeed current Canadian PR , before they could deny pending FSW on the grounds of applicant already holding a PR status?
And wouldn't the very act of determining the applicant's current PR status require the CIC officer to look into dates of Residency (which is part of FSW application)?
 

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david1697 said:
No, in this particular instance it's not a difference of opinion, it's you misrepresenting what I stated all along.

In regards to quote you site, what part of "wouldn't" and a "?"(question mark) is not clear to you?
How questioning you and your logic is an assertion and equivalent of "will be" ?

Further, the quote you bring is from Reply #7 (AFTER my replies #3 and #5 and YOUR responses to those).
Here is the context of Reply #7:
No, again there is no "require" and no "have to". These are all absolutes, and is the point of many of my responses to those questions.

Whole point is that there is NO procedure a VO in this case MUST follow, nothing they "have to" do, and nothing they are "required" to do (except reject the app) and what they do is entirely speculation. But again it's going in circles again.
 

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Rob_TO said:
No, again there is no "require" and no "have to". These are all absolutes, and is the point of many of my responses to those questions.

Whole point is that there is NO procedure a VO in this case MUST follow, nothing they "have to" do, and nothing they are "required" to do (except reject the app) and what they do is entirely speculation. But again it's going in circles again.
And where did I assert "have to" , "must" or "required"?

The fact is you misrepresented my statement and you keep doing it. Intellectual honesty is not your forte, I get it.
 

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dpenabill, I hope to hear your opinion on the H&C question.

My apologies to OP and other readers, please disregard the distraction above.

Thank you
 

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david1697 said:
And where did I assert "have to" , "must" or "required"?
In your very post you posted above. You made an interpretation of what I had written using absolutes, which was not at all what I had written, so I explained this fact and my logical thinking behind it.

Again going in circles and name calling. Just drop it or respond via a PM, and let people answer the actual questions.
 

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Rob_TO said:
In your very post you posted above. You made an interpretation of what I had written using absolutes, which was not at all what I had written, so I explained this fact and my logical thinking behind it.

Again going in circles and name calling. Just drop it or respond via a PM, and let people answer the actual questions.
I will give you a benefit of doubt, may be you have a trouble differentiating between a question being asked vs assertion being made.
If that is the case, you should scroll up and carefully read what you yourself posted and interpreted and what actually is there.

Either way, stop spamming the board and there will be no going in circles.
 

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Sorry, this is a very long post, but . . . well here it is:


Rob_TO said:
In a previous post you mentioned you thought he had odds in his favour of overcoming any RO challenge. I am again curious if you have reference to any specific cases in which a PR successfully won an RO challenge where they had simply made a personal choice to study and then work outside Canada, with none of the more obvious H&C items in play (medical, serious family issue, being forced to leave as a minor, etc).

The immediate response if anyone asks on this site from pretty much everyone, is that studying and working simply do not qualify for H&C, period. So if that general assumption is wrong, would be interesting to hear about a case supporting it.
At the risk of appearing to dodge the question:

One of the problems with many of the Q&A exchanges, in forums like this, is the tendency to seek, state, or focus on definitive criteria, with a tendency toward focusing on criteria constituting a sort of on/off, yes-or-no switch, looking for criteria that has a specific effect, criteria which is definitively positive or definitively negative. There is some criteria, for some issues, that is of this sort. For example, more than 730 days actual presence in Canada within the preceding five years meets the PR RO, no further inquiry necessary.

H&C determinations are at the opposite end of the spectrum. Sure, some factors weigh a great deal more than other factors, such as determinations which might have a for-sure detrimental impact on affected children. But by-and-large, for determinations of whether there are sufficient H&C reasons to allow a PR to retain PR status despite failing to be in Canada at least 730 days, the factors are many, broad, and fluid, and are not limited to those explicitly enumerated in policy manuals, IAD decisions, or Federal Court decisions.

My strong sense is that the H&C determination in this context is far more flexible and open than H&C determinations in other contexts. There is more a balancing of factors relative to whether or not the individual deserves to retain PR status. In other IRPA H&C determination contexts, the determination is about avoiding a serious injustice, like sending a person back to a country where he will be tortured. For the PR loss of status determination, in contrast (and this even shows up in many removal proceedings for serious criminality, except that relatively recent changes have toughened and limited this, some rather harsh changes to IRPA more strictly mandating removal for criminality on a faster track), there is explicit "flexibility for approving deserving cases not anticipated in the legislation."

The following is a paraphrase of what is seen repeatedly in IAD and Federal Court cases regarding PR Removal Orders based on a breach of the PR Residency Obligation:

These factors are not exhaustive. It is important to note that none of these factors are determinative and an assessment of “all the circumstances” in any given case may involve giving lesser or more weight to one consideration than another, depending on the context of the individual case before the panel.
It is also worth emphasizing that the factors typically listed are, themselves, extensive and broad. In addition to the courts and IAD specifically acknowledging that other factors may also be considered, as I noted before ENF 23 in particular explicitly states that officers are obliged to consider all the information presented by a permanent resident, and that in particular permanent residents are free to make submissions on any aspect of their personal circumstances that they feel would warrant retention of their permanent resident status.

It is common for an IAD panel to refer to the H&C determination as a request to exercise "discretionary relief" which "is always a weighing process."

Reasons for remaining abroad are often explicitly considered in the H&C analysis. That said, reasons for remaining abroad can be a two-edged sword. This is what is particularly difficult for many to grasp, that the very same factor can weigh as a positive factor for one person and yet appear to be a negative factor for someone else. Context matters. Or, as I oft say, it-depends.

One aspect of context that can matter is how the thing (work or school or whatever) relates to the PR's plans. Intention, per se, is no longer a defining criteria, but it seems clear it still has much influence in how CIC perceives the nature and character of things (as indicated in IAD decisions). If the purpose for being abroad is clearly temporary, one which is not inconsistent with plans to live in Canada, that helps in the balancing analysis, particularly if there are more or less compelling reasons for remaining abroad longer but temporarily. Thus, for example, taking employment abroad because the money is better, suggests priorities not particularly consistent with a plan to live in Canada. Staying abroad to finish an educational program one has already partially completed, however, can be consistent with an overall plan to return to Canada to live as soon as the program is finished. Still, what influence such a factor actually has in any given case will still depend on other factors. The student PR with few other ties in Canada will have a harder time of it. The opposite seems to be the case for the OP here, there being multiple enduring ties to Canada.

As I have tried to say twice before now, I have not endeavored to engage in an overt analysis of the H&C case for the OP here, just that at a glance it appears to be strong enough to have good odds (and part of why I think this, is that otherwise my sense is that a 44(1) Report and Removal Order would have been issued at the POE, but for the CBSA officers being persuaded that the OP deserves a chance to retain PR status, since I do not think CBSA deliberately overlooks breaches of the PR RO . . . that is, my sense is that the OP being allowed entry without a Removal Order being issued suggests that an informal H&C analysis was done at the POE resulting in a decision in the OP's favour). There are no guarantees. How it goes, if the OP is subjected to a Residency Examination by CIC, will depend on the totality of the facts and circumstances.




Rob_TO said:
Would be curious if you have actually seen any other cases of a PR not meeting RO submitting an app for something that does not usually involve an RO investigation, and what the result was.
I have seen multiple reports of totally shocked PRs suddenly dealing with CIC pursuing removal proceedings based on a breach of the PR RO after they had made sponsorship applications for a spouse. I do not recall further reports about how it went, but as best I can recall those were more or less oh crappola, I blew it situations (that is, reports from individuals going oh no, I got caught because I did a stupid thing . . . my memory may be confusing details, but it seems like one of the reports was not by the PR but by the sponsored spouse, a rather dismayed sponsored spouse, and apparently it was the account of their relationship abroad in the application which tipped CIC off that a residency obligation breach had likely occurred).

I would note: almost any application to CIC by a PR can trigger consideration of residency. CIC policy now mandates GCMS review for virtually any substantive decision made regarding a PR, and a GCMS review incorporates FOSS notes . . . and FOSS notes derived from a POE interview can go into a PR's record without the PR being aware of it . . . and while you may think differently, it appears to me that at the POE CBSA officers are sometimes flagging returning PRs as to concerns of potential PR RO issues, no notice to the PR a note has been made to his record. Many times in Federal Court decisions, from sponsorship cases to citizenship applications, there is obviously something which triggered further scrutiny and skepticism about an individual's presence in Canada. (And many IAD Removal Order cases based on the breach of the PR RO do not explain background as to how or why the removal proceedings were initiated . . . but obviously these cases did not arise out of the blue.)

But this may be an appropriate opportunity to make a distinction I think is important, and thus to answer this particular query I would say it depends on what you mean, relative to having "seen any other case . . . " As I said, I have seen reports, mostly anecdotal accounts posted in online forums like this one, but I would not necessarily cite those reports as an actual, known "case."

While I am too sloppy too often (in posting in forums, not in my professional legal writing I hope) to rigorously limit my references to "cases" only for actually documented cases, I make an effort to keep that distinction in mind. That is, I distinguish between forum anecdotal reports (always taken with a big grain of salt, so to say) and information found in formal, officially published IAD and Federal Court decisions, that is, in actual cases.

You seem to put a lot of stock in anecdotal reports in forums like this (or at least in anecdotal reports in this forum). I tend to take such reports into account, but minimally rely on anything that is not corroborated or consistent with reliable sources of information, or which stands up to critical examination otherwise (recognizing that over time, after reading literally thousands of posts in multiple forums, with a critical eye of course, sorting the bull, the mistakes, the misperceptions, from what is likely a fair account of actual events, gets easier albeit it is always an imperfect art at best). I give virtually no statistical weight to the anecdotal reports, since the sample size is minute and no where near representative. (Credible anecdotal reports largely illustrate what happens sometimes, with little or no implication as to the rate at which similar things happen to others except in a context and to the extent that is suggested by other evidence and indicators.)

As I said, when I refer to specific "cases" (in contrast to "reports"), I am usually referring to officially published cases in IAD or Federal Court decisions, which are far more reliable sources of information about actual individual cases, actual determinations. I have been, no doubt, sloppy about maintaining the distinction on more than a few occasions, but in general this is a distinction I try to maintain (I definitely maintain this distinction in how much weight I give to an event). To my view the distinction is important.

Thus, in another forum for example, within the last week there was a specific report by a PR who has an appeal of a Removal Order (issued despite the PR being in possession of a PR card valid for nearly another year; POE event March 2014, PR card valid until February 2015) which is now pending before the IAD. Regarding the issuance of the Removal Order (referring to it as a "departure order") this individual reported:

On March 2014 I landed at Montreal airport,the officer calculated how many days i stayed in Canada in previous 5 years. I almost stayed for 16 month in 5 years, which turns to be violation of residency obligation as we require at least 2 years in previous 5 years. I was issued departure order at the airport and was given time to appeal to IAD against the departure order. Its been 8 months my appeal is still pending at IAD.
(This individual was inquiring about applying for a one year PR card in the meantime because he needs to travel abroad and his current PR card is expiring in February, which is not particularly relevant here but explains the background for the report I quote above.)

In any event, this very recent report, in conjunction with what else this individual posted, appears credible to me, but standing alone I would not draw many conclusions from it. But it is also consistent with actual cases I am aware of, like the Alsayegh case, in which a PR was, similarly, challenged in a POE examination regarding compliance with the PR RO, issued a 44(1) Report, almost immediately followed by the issuance of a Removal Order; this was an individual who was already scheduled to take the oath of citizenship and who was temporarily working abroad on an internship with GOOGLE and who argued he was in compliance with the PR RO and further argued that the POE officer refused to consider documents he had in his possession documenting his presence in Canada. Alsayegh is hardly the only PR issued a Removal Order for a breach of the PR RO at a POE despite asserting actual compliance with the Residency Obligation. See, for example, the Voulgaris v. Canada decision, a case in which the Minister conceded the appeal of the Removal Order should be granted because the evidence was Voulgaris had been present in Canada for 869 days within the relevant five years.

There are, of course, a greater number of IAD and Federal Court cases regarding removal proceedings for breaches of the PR RO, including many involving 44(1) reports and Removal Orders issued at a POE, where the breach is acknowledged and the issue is whether the PR should be allowed to retain PR status for H&C reasons. (That is, I did not mean to imply, by citing the Alsayegh and Voulgaris cases that CBSA routinely issues Removal Orders to returning PRs despite the PR being in compliance with the RO.)

In any event, the concurrence of such actual cases illustrating practices similar to that reported by an individual in a forum tends, in my view, to paint a coherent picture of what happens, at least some of the time, at a POE when CBSA identifies a concern about a returning PR's compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. Add to that the description of POE examinations in ENF 4, the policy guidelines for writing 44(1) reports in ENF 5, the review of such reports as outlined in ENF 6, which are all consistent with both these cases and the recent anecdotal report I cited above (and to be clear, I have observed numerous similar reports over the course of the last few years), it is apparent that even with a valid PR card in possession, returning PRs who appear to have RO compliance issues face, at the least, a substantial risk of being reported and issued a Removal Order there at the POE at the time of their return to Canada.

This leads back to part of why I think the OP's H&C case has good odds of succeeding, if the OP is compelled to make such a case (I also think there are fair odds there will be no residency examination unless he does something else to catch CIC's attention). As I said above, my sense is that at least an informal H&C analysis of sorts, a balancing of factors relevant to whether the OP deserves the chance to retain PR status, has already taken place at the POE, as indicated by the fact that the CBSA officers identified him as a PR and allowed him entry without issuing a 44(1) Report or Removal Order (acknowledging, though, they may have nonetheless still made a referral to a local CIC office, and thus a residency examination, even removal proceedings, could be coming).
 

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I respectfully disagree with the opinion of the poster above.

While there is no dispute that H&C benefit is discretionary, while there is no dispute that criteria stated in policies and manuals is not exhaustive, while I agree that all cases are not black or white but many fall into grey area, while H&C in the context of failed PR is not the same as granting a refugee status to someone who can be tortured if sent back, there are still some serious questions about meeting the standard, a bar set by law.
Just because there is a broad range of circumstances that can be considered doesn't mean that any circumstance can qualify.

In this particular case I don't see how someone of age, who didn't depend on parents but acted on his own and made a conscious decision to separate from his family in Canada and stay in UK to do more studies (instead of completing studies in 2 years, as he could) ,then took a job to stay a longer period of time on his own (see quote from OP below), I don't see how such individual could claim and qualify for H&C benefit if his RO was challenged by CIC.
If cases exist pointing to such possibility I would be curious to know.

As I had 2 years left for my course I then went back to the UK with the plan to move over once my studies were completed. I then, through changing my course, ended up doing an extra year at Uni and subsequently ended up moving to London instead as I got a pretty good job offer there (not working for a Canadian company).
Of course, I don't know the full story, but I am not speculating about unknown factors which could exist and steer CIC towards favorable consideration of H&C waiver. For the purposes of this discussion I focus on what is known and shared by OP on this board. And based on that information I still see no reason how could this be positively decided in favor of OP.

The CBSA may not have examined the residency of OP because CBSA officer he encountered was not inclined to stop and find a reason to prevent OP from entering Canada. Whether we like it or not, when discretion is involved the human factor kicks in and something as simple as personal liking or disliking of the individual by CBSA may lead to thorough scrutiny of RO versus just waiving someone in and telling them Welcome to Canada.
Since the discretion is statutorily supported and is not outside of the frame of the law, there subsequently is no legally sustainable element of arbitrariness or capriciousness in it, whether CBSA decides to examine RO or just let in.
This leads me to believe that the opinion of the poster above (that CBSA did an RO assessment and considered OP deserving of H&C) is a mere speculation. Chances are CBSA officer made a conscious decision not to inquire about PR residency (spent no more than few seconds to make sure PR was valid), and would not have made a favorable decision had they fully inquired and found out the details shared by OP in a quote I posted above.

I am also going to keep my doubts as to what FSW application may or may not trigger, including the possibility of triggering an examination of RO.

In the United States, for example, if you are applying for any status extension or exchange, you must be in some legal status to begin with, unless you qualify for certain exceptions (such as INA 245(i) or immediate relative of US Citizen and etc.).
There are cases where people apply for a benefit not qualifying for it , and part of assessment is for USCIS to determine if one ever violated their immigration status.
While by law ICE can pursue and attempt to remove every single removable person who applies for a benefit and found out to be ineligible , in practice the internal memos and policy directives exist (some are published, others are not), and according to those established practices, memos and policies it was a common practice not to pursue removal proceedings for those who sought non-immigrant benefits but had no outstanding criminal charges and convictions, while there is almost unavoidable prospect of ending up in immigration court and ultimately removed from US if one sought adjustment of status to that of Permanent Resident of US while being removable, regardless of absence of any other triggering factors.
Reason being: adjustment of status requires very thorough examination of the applicant and lack of grounds to be present in US is derivative cause for removal, triggered by look at and investigation of adjustment of status petition (point being: they don't just close the case with "denied" stamp).

Whether Canada has similar way of adjudicating FSW petitions or not I don't know, and I have repeatedly stated that I am not aware of rules and regulations applicable to specific OP case, but surely my basic understanding of operation of law and outcomes in practice raised this question in my mind and I advised OP to consult a seasoned immigration attorney to find answers that are outside our expertise and range of knowledge.



P.S. Re: Cases referenced below: both deal with issue of CBSA officer making an error (869 days in 5 years clearly exceeds 730 days required to meet RO), or CBSA exceeding their authority in causing termination of Citizenship Oath of a stateless person of Christian faith, originally from Palestine, who, after approval by Citizenship judge and cancellation of Oath, was facing an imminent removal to a predominantly Muslim and politically volatile place. The latter case ends with remand to reconsider in light of new evidence. It is a very complex case that involves number of issues, from CBSA exceeding authority in terminating a Citizenship oath to H&C considerations that go way beyond traveling abroad to intern for Google.

Both of the cases are irrelevant to OP case, therefore not warranting further comments.

In any event, this very recent report, in conjunction with what else this individual posted, appears credible to me, but standing alone I would not draw many conclusions from it. But it is also consistent with actual cases I am aware of, like the Alsayegh case, in which a PR was, similarly, challenged in a POE examination regarding compliance with the PR RO, issued a 44(1) Report, almost immediately followed by the issuance of a Removal Order; this was an individual who was already scheduled to take the oath of citizenship and who was temporarily working abroad on an internship with GOOGLE and who argued he was in compliance with the PR RO and further argued that the POE officer refused to consider documents he had in his possession documenting his presence in Canada. Alsayegh is hardly the only PR issued a Removal Order for a breach of the PR RO at a POE despite asserting actual compliance with the Residency Obligation. See, for example, the Voulgaris v. Canada decision, a case in which the Minister conceded the appeal of the Removal Order should be granted because the evidence was Voulgaris had been present in Canada for 869 days within the relevant five years.
 

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Below is from ENF 05 Writing 44(1) Report.

Question to OP:

Did CBSA ask you anything about your residency (such as, where do you currently live, when did you last time leave Canada, where do you work etc.)? If so, have you answered to all of the questions truthfully?

As a UK National, you are Visa exempt and it is rare for Visa exempt persons to be referred to secondary, but you stated that CBSA was able to determine your active PR status.

Regulation 8.1 particularly states:

8.1. Considerations before writing an A44(1) report
The fact that officers have the discretionary power to decide whether or not to write an
inadmissibility report does not mean that they can disregard the fact that someone is, or may be,inadmissible, or that they can grant status to that person under A21 and A22

.
So, did CBSA simply disregard the fact that you could be inadmissible? (And side question to others, not OP: could it be that as UK National one can't be inadmissible by default, regardless of PR RO ? And could this be a real reason why someone with failed RO could have been waived in without further inquiry into residency, provided they are UK National and have no criminal inadmissibility?)

Or, did they examine you (the OP) and decided (as poster above suggests) to admit you into Canada because they thought you were deserving of it?


I have not seen ENF 05 before, so my latest questions are asked in the light of the discovery of these regulations that govern admission of Foreign Nationals and Permanent residents of Canada.


8.2. Non criminal inadmissibilities
Although not considered exhaustive, the following are some factors that officers may choose to
consider when deciding whether or not to write an A44(1) inadmissibility report
for a non -criminal inadmissibility.


Is the person concerned a permanent resident or a foreign national?

What is the nature or category of
the
inadmissibility?

Is the person a
lready the subject of a removal order?

Is the person already the subject of a separate inadmissibility report incorporating allegations
that will likely result in a removal order?

Is the officer satisfied that the person is, or soon will be, leaving Canada
? And in such a case,
is the imposition of a future requirement to obtain consent to return warranted?

Is there a record of the person having previously contravened immigration legislation?

In the case of non
-
compliance, was it unintentional or excusable f
or
a
valid reason?

Has the person now been fully counselled on the topic of their inadmissibility? And is the
officer satisfied that the person now understands what is required in future to overcome their
inadmissibility?

Is there any reason to believe tha
t, after having previously been counselled on the topic of
their inadmissibility, the person simply chose to ignore that counselling?

Has the person been cooperative?

Is there any evidence of misrepresentation?

ENF 5 Writing 44(1) Reports
2013
-
0
8
-
20
9

Has the person applied for restoration of sta
tus, and does the person appear to be eligible?

Has a temporary resident permit been authorized?

How long has the person been in Canada?

Has the person been a permanent resident of Canada since childhood? Was the permanent
resident an adult at the time of
admission to Canada?

How long has the permanent resident resided in Canada after the date of admission?

Are family members in Canada emotionally or financially dependent on the permanent
resident? Are all extended family members in Canada?

Are there any sp
ecial circumstances in the likely country of removal, such as civil war or a
major natural disaster?

Is the permanent resident financially self
-
supporting or employed? Does the person possess a
marketable trade or skill?

Has the permanent resident made ef
forts to establish themselves in Canada through
language training or skills upgrading?

Is there any evidence of community involvement? Has the permanent resident received social
assistance?

Has the permanent resident been cooperative and forthcoming with
information?

Has a warning letter been previously issued?

Does the permanent resident accept responsibility for their actions?

Is the permanent resident remorseful, or has the person supplied any necessary
documentation requested by an officer?
 

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Another very long post:

To be clear, the two cases I cited (from among many, many IAD Removal Order cases reported and the occasional Federal Court case) were not at all about H&C determinations, but rather were cited to illustrate that even PRs in compliance, or at least arguably in compliance, sometimes are issued 44(1) Reports and Removal Orders at a POE upon returning, corroborating forum reports of PRs with currently valid PR cards also being examined, reported, and issued Removal Orders at a POE (like the one from this past Saturday I referenced in particular) . . . all of which clearly illustrates that the procedures outlined in ENF 4, 5, and 6 are indeed employed by CBSA at a POE.

The OP's report here clearly indicates an examination at the POE that addressed his PR status (highlighted more below).

Thus, to my view this indicates the examining CBSA officer evaluated this individual, upon arrival in Canada, as to admissibility. While many returning PRs are not subject to much if any scrutiny regarding admissibility upon returning to Canada, my strong sense is that if they are (and the OP here appears to have been), CBSA does not simply waive through a person who appears to be in breach of the PR Residency Obligation. To do so would be a breach of their duty, since it is explicitly their duty to screen for and identify inadmissible PRs.

Rather, my sense is that there are many occasions in which a CBSA officer identifies a PR Residency Obligation issue and then (as the manuals prescribe) weighs the factors and circumstances in that particular instance, and if in balancing the various considerations, the scales tip favourably toward the PR deserving an opportunity to retain PR status, the individual is allowed to enter without a 44(1) Report being issued. In practice, what I have observed is the examining officer often consults with a supervisor before making close or difficult calls of this sort (and if it is decided to issue a report, it appears that often that supervisor is also the so-called "Minister's Delegate" who then decides whether to issue a Removal Order, and it probably should not be done this way since the supervisor is supposed to be exercising independent judgment as the "Minister's Delegate," a form of review, when in practice the supervisor has probably already decided the examining officer should go ahead with making the 44(1) Report).

In any event, it appears very likely to me that this process happened when this OP arrived at the POE. Thus, it appears to me that at least an informal assessment was already made, the decision being in the OP's favour, that is, that the OP was deserving of an opportunity to maintain his PR status.

Odds are high (almost certain) that a FOSS note (NCB entry) was made, so the OP is flagged. Beyond that it gets far more difficult to guess whether a referral was sent to the local CIC office, or if there is a referral whether that will result in CIC pursuing a Residency Examination. It is difficult to guess whether the FSW PR visa application will trigger a Residency Examination. My sense, however, is that what amounted to, in effect, being given a pass by the examining CBSA officer, probably continues to get the OP a pass unless and until there is some other event triggering a Residency Examination. For example, the OP should NOT apply for a new PR card until the 730 obligation is clearly met. If the OP marries a girlfriend not a Canadian, the OP should not sponsor her for PR until having spent more than 730 days in Canada.



The assessment of various H&C factors specifically for this OP is a separate matter.

Again, I have avoided delving directly into that other than what I perceive at a glance (highlighting significant ties in Canada including family members who are Canadian citizens, periodic trips to Canada reflecting ongoing connection to a life in Canada, and not knowing how extensive the shortfall from 730 days is). Obviously there are negative factors, like taking a job abroad after completing his studies, rather than then returning to Canada.

Again, I do not know how CIC will decide to proceed IF CIC initiates an inquiry into this OP's compliance with the Residency Obligation.

H&C cases tend to be rather tricky, and they are almost always very specific to the individual factors and circumstances in the particular case.




Outline of reasoning based on what happened upon arrival at the POE

We do know (assuming the OP's report is accurate) that this individual was not issued a 44(1) Report (and note that if there was a 44(1) report it would have been delivered to him at the POE; the 44(1) report should not be confused with a letter, referral, alert, or notice otherwise possibly sent to local CIC office).

We know that, pursuant to their duty and obligation, CBSA officers will issue 44(1) Reports to returning PRs the CBSA officer identifies as in breach of the Residency Obligation, at least in the absence of H&C considerations weighing in favour of the PR retaining PR status (this was what was illustrated by the cases cited in my previous post). (Acknowledgement: there is disagreement as to the extent to which CBSA officers will do this, some asserting that CBSA officers will routinely waive into Canada returning PRs known to be in breach and lacking H&C reasons justifying retention of PR status.)

We know that upon arriving in Canada, at the POE the OP was specifically identified as a returning PR, a person with PR status, and as one who had been abroad for a time suggesting to the OP he had already lost PR status.

And we know that at the POE he was advised he "should look into it" (the question of his PR status), a notation was made in his passport that he was entering Canada as a PR, and then he was simply allowed to enter Canada . . . and again apparently no 44(1) report being issued.

We can readily infer that a NCB entry was made in FOSS, at a minimum.

All the above leads to me to conclude, probably not definitively, that the examining CBSA officer did his or her duty, conducted an interview sufficient to satisfy himself or herself that this OP deserved to be allowed entry without issuing a 44(1) Report for inadmissibility. And to my view that is a pretty good clue about how this will go even if there is a Residency Examination, acknowledging however (as I have several times now) that this is about odds at a glance, not based on an actual assessment of the relevant factors in detail . . . and further acknowedging, with emphasis, that how it goes IF there is a residency examination will depend on the totality of the circumstances.

But again, there is no real need to drill deeply into the H&C factors at this stage. There is no residency examination yet being conducted. At this juncture there is no pending residency case.

Among significant aspects of this, the OP's time in Canada now counts toward compliance, now adds to any of the time he was in Canada on holidays in the last five years, and even if it does not rise to the level of meeting the PR RO before a formal Residency Examination is conducted (the date of which will establish what five years count), it increases the weight of the time in Canada factor . . . and gives the OP time to find a job and be employed in Canada which will be another Canadian-tie, and evidence of establishment in Canada factor weighing positively in the balancing process.

I do not know what the current timelines are for CIC even opening up a FSW application. There is no worry that that application will trigger a Residency Examination until after that happens, and then (beyond the summary rejection of the FSW application due to ineligibility) the worst case scenario is that the local office is sent a referral, and the local office decides whether to pursue a residency examination, all of which would take time, usually quite a lot of time . . . and while I am way, way shy of confidence, my guess is that despite the possibility the FSW application could trigger a Residency Examination, it is more likely this too only results in a flag in GCMS or FOSS (amounting to the same thing in effect), which will have relatively no impact if there are no other events involving contact between the OP and either CBSA (no trips abroad and then arrivals at a Canadian POE for example) or CIC (no application to sponsor his girlfriend for Permanent Residency) and will be of no significance at all if in the meantime 730 days pass with the OP staying in Canada (well, if the OP were to apply for citizenship in the next four or five years, the flags in the system would likely be noticed and considered in that context).




Note regarding the Alsayegh Case:

The Alsayegh case is not a Removal Order case. It is a citizenship case. It is a case in which CIC summarily terminated the PR's citizenship application prior to his taking the oath, based on the fact that the PR had been issued a Removal Order and was therefore prohibited from a grant of citizenship.

I cite it here because it is an actual, documented case, in which a returning PR was examined regarding residency at a POE upon returning to Canada and issued, there in the airport, both a 44(1) Report and a Removal Order. It clearly illustrates that this practice is not merely what ENF 4, 5, and 6 prescribe, but is an example of what actually does happen at a POE when a CBSA officer believes a returning PR is in breach of the PR Residency Obligation. This corroborates the various anecdotal reports I have seen, including the one posted just this past Saturday, by other PRs, including PRs in possession of a valid PR card, receiving Removal Orders at a POE when a CBSA officer concludes the returning PR is in breach of the PR Residency Obligation.

In fact, the Federal Court did not address the validity of the Removal Order in the Alsayegh case, but rather addressed the fact that CIC had no authority to summarily terminate an application after a Citizenship Judge had already approved the grant of citizenship.




General Observation about Removal Order IAD cases:

There are numerous IAD decisions reported regarding PRs who failed to comply with the PR RO. It may be difficult to wade through them for cases specifically about Removal Orders issued by a "Minister's Delegate, the POE cases, because there are so many more cases which are appeals from the denial of an application for a PR Travel Document, and there are, of course, also a significant number of those cases triggered by a foolishly made premature application for a new PR card (PRs in breach who apply for a new PR card, and are identified as in breach by CIC and then subjected to removal proceedings). But even the PR Travel Document cases often go into some depth about the various factors considered, and the weight given those factors, in assessing whether there are H&C grounds justifying retention of PR status.

Anyone who reads even a dozen or so of these cases should readily recognize how very individual, case-specific, the determinations are.

It is correct, however, particularly for cases that reach the Federal Court, there is a presumption that the PR Residency Obligation is inherently very liberal and intended to reasonably accommodate most circumstances and contingencies. That is, that the threshold for retaining PR status (just 730 days in five years) is low enough that only unusual or very exceptional circumstances will justify what amounts to a waiver of the RO.

A more in-depth review of both cases and anecdotal reports, reveals (clearly to my view) that generally the lower in the heirarchy the decision-maker is, the more lenient . . . except in certain embassies, there appear to be some embassy based officers deciding PR Travel Document applications who are particularly tough.

That is, that the easiest officer to persuade that there are H&C reasons justifying retention of PR status, the easiest officer in the chain, is usually the examining officer at a POE. And this explains why there are a significant number of anecdotal reports of PRs questioned about residency at a POE, concerns identified, but the examining officer allows entry without making a 44(1) Report. The next easiest officer appears to be the supervisor at a POE, the "Minister's Delegate," who reviews the 44(1) Report and decides whether or not to issue a Removal Order. Note, I don't think I have seen, in watching reports in several forums like this one, including this one, more than one or two instances where a 44(1) Report was issued and a Removal Order not issued, but it is my impression this is because the supervisor is often, if not usually, consulting with the examining officer in the decision-making about whether or not to issue a 44(1) Report in the first place . . . and perhaps these two are relatively similar in how strict or lenient they are.

Embassy decision-makers appear to be more strict, tougher, than POE officers, but as noted above, it also appears (based on cases in which the appeal is won by the PR) that there are certain embassies which are particularly strict and tough.

IAD appears to be less forgiving than the POE officers (examining officer and supervisor-Minister's delegate), but significantly more forgiving than the Federal Court.

It is in Federal Court cases one sees the hardest line, that the PR RO is so inherently lenient (and it is, a PR can live abroad most of the time indefinitely and still retain PR status by being in Canada just 40 percent of the time) that if the Minister's Delegate and IAD determined there were insufficient H&C grounds to warrant retention of PR status, PR status is lost.

Thus, best time to make one's case, if relying on H&C reasons to retain PR status, is at a POE and with the examining POE officer (in secondary). This is part of why so many PRs in breach will attempt to reach a POE, such as by traveling via the U.S., rather than applying for a PR Travel Document in an embassy abroad (well there is that but there is also the presumption, for PRs without a valid PR card, that a PR abroad who does not have a valid PR card in possession is presumed to not have valid PR status). If pleading H&C grounds does not succeed at the POE, no reason to panic; while IAD panels tend to be more strict, the scope of "discretionary relief" afforded is sometimes remarkably liberal even at the IAD. There are, however, few requests for judicial review of negative IAD decisions, which I believe is due to lawyers telling clients the truth about the poor odds at the Federal Court. A number of justices in the Federal Court have overtly expressed great reluctance to overturn decisions by the IAD affirming loss of PR status if, as they say, the decision was legally correct (meaning the PR had less than 730 days presence, and was relying on discretionary relief).

In any event, in almost any application to CIC there is some consideration (directly or indirectly, sometimes well below the surface) for whether or not the applicant deserves what is being requested. But for determinations as to whether or not a PR should be allowed to retain PR status, whether or not the PR deserves to be allowed to retain PR status is an explicit and, I think, huge factor. This is a very, very difficult factor to define or explain, impossible to quanitify, and it is so very dependent on impression and how all the various other factors fit together.

I have often said that H&C determinations are very tricky. Anyone who can afford the assistance of a lawyer when faced with a process in which H&C factors loom as deciding should probably, at the very least, obtain the advice of a lawyer, and preferrably the assistance of a lawyer. I may often venture an impression, like I have regarding the OP here, as to vague odds (recognizing that some cases are obvious losers on this issue), but I try (and always should) to couch that in a caveat that how it actually goes will depend on many, many factors, the totality of circumstances in the case, and is not at all easy to predict, and for sure there are no guarantees.

This is long, long way around to explaining why my inclination is that the OP here has good odds overall.

This should not be confused, however, with the more simple and I think fairly clear observation about the course of action the OP probably should take for now: stay the course, find a job and live in Canada, and if correspondence arrives from CIC indicating that a residency examination will be conducted, ride the process out, make the H&C case as best as the OP can, get the help of a lawyer if that can be afforded. I am fairly sure the FSW application will go nowhere. No point in pursuing that avenue again unless and until CIC does pursue removal proceedings and the OP loses (taking it to at least an IAD appeal if it comes to that), that is, unless and until after the OP has formally been adjudicated to lose PR status.




Regarding "admissibility" of a PR compared to a Foreign National:

Under IRPA PRs are Canadians, Canadian Permanent Residents to be precise.

Foreign Nationals are everyone who is not a Canadian, not a Canadian citizen or a Canadian Permanent Resident. (See definitions in IRPA)

PRs are not eligible for status that is only available to Foreign Nationals. A PR cannot be an eligible applicant for a PR visa in any class, for example.

Technically a PR is not eligible for visitor status, be that as a visitor from a visa-exempt country (such as the UK), or as someone applying for a TRV from a country which is not visa-exempt.

In other words, the OP was not admissible as a visa-exempt country visitor, because the OP is a PR who is not eligible for visitor status.

This can appear to be confusing because, at least in the past, many, many PRs from visa-exempt countries used their visa-exempt passports to board a flight to Canada (the visa-exempt passport satisfying the airlines that the traveler has authorization to enter Canada and should be allowed to board the flight), and approached the PIL at the POE as though they were ordinary visitors from a visa-exempt country, displayed the visa-exempt passport, and were waived into Canada. This probably still happens. But technically they do not have visitor status despite the POE waive-through. And like the OP here, which I think is more and more often the case as the technology has improved, if the traveler is identified by POE officers as a PR, that will be the basis upon which the traveler's admissibility is assessed.

Reminder, the OP here reported that there was a notation on the stamp in his passport regarding his entry as a PR.

Until recent changes in IRPA and the Regulations (expanding and making surrender of PR simpler), a PR identified at the POE as inadmissible due to a breach of the residency obligation was, in practice, the usual situation in which a PR "surrendered" PR status. This was often precisely because the PR did not contest being inadmissible, did not want appeal a Removal Order, and wanted to enter Canada as a visitor (usually for longer than the time period for appealing a Removal Order), and for CBSA to allow entry as a visitor, the PR's status as a PR had to first be formally removed. (If the PR accepted the Removal Order and did not appeal, the Removal Order becomes enforceable . . . I think I recall this is in 30 days, may be 60 . . . at which point it would be illegal for the individual to remain in Canada.)

Note: the operational manuals, including those for Enforcement, are not being consistently updated, and often fail to reflect many of the more recent changes to IRPA and the Regulations. They remain useful as general guidelines, particularly to the extent they reflect underlying factors and considerations driving policy-based practices, but are increasingly out-of-date as to specific procedures and practices.

Bottom-line: no, the OP was not admitted into Canada based on admissibility as a visitor from a visa-exempt country, even though apparently that is how the OP traveled to Canada (showing the airlines his visa-exempt passport).

But you are right to question whether the examination at the POE constituted even an informal residency examination and a decision to allow entry without issuing a 44(1) Report based on H&C reasons which justify allowing the OP to retain PR status. In my outline of reasoning above I note that given the overt identification of the OP as a PR and the discussion about his PR status, I think that this encounter probably but not definitively constituted such a decision. It might not have. It probably is not clear to the OP whether it did or not. All the OP was probably told was he could go ahead and enter, and as I noted above, that he "should look into" his PR status.

This does not change the situation. The OP is still, at this time, a PR, still a PR in Canada without having been issued a Removal Order. The path forward is to live and work and stay in Canada as a PR. And if CIC contacts him to pursue a Residency Examination or Removal Proceedings, to deal with that process IF and when it happens.