Thanks a ton for the link!! I will look into the links!asbereth said:
So sorry to hear about your rejection.. it kinda pisses me off that they are looking for more of labour people to immigrate to canada thn highly educated people since FSW-PhD stream is way harder thn CEC. So if you work as manager in a crap place for 1 year.. you have PR but if you have been in this country for 7 yrs doing your studies while working as TA and RA, you are not qualified.... this pretty much changes my view of how I expect canada to be in a decade or two!RA_toronto said:Bad news, I got rejected too
On July 17th, I got the GCMS notes and on July 18th, I received the rejection. My rejection email says this:
"I am not satisfied you meet the skilled work experience requirement. According to your application, you worked as a research/teaching assistant (NOC 4012) for periods of employment as follows: 2010/09/01 to date of application; 2011/09/06 – 2011/12/06; 2010/09/07 – 2010/12/08; 2008/09/01 – 2010/03/31. In support of this you provided documentation from the University of Toronto confirming you were a full time PhD student receiving financial support from the Department of ... for your PhD studies and also letters providing a breakdown of financial support. The information provided indicates that a portion of the stated work experience is research which was in direct support of and a component of your graduate studies. Your employment contracts stipulate that foreign students can only work at the school where they are authorized to study. Accordingly, this experience does not qualify as work experience under the Canadian Experience Class as it does not meet the definition of “work” as defined under R2 of the Regulations. It is not considered an activity requiring entry into the Canadian labour market, as illustrated by declared income on your T4A statements as opposed to your T4 statement. Consequently, I am not satisfied you meet the selection criteria of the Canadian experience class."
My GCMS notes says similar stuff:
"...The majority of PA's income from UofT listed on T4A certificates, implying self-employment or a scholarship or a grant based payment structure. Employment letter lists duties which appear to conform to NOC but appears to do nothing to establish a difference between the PA's employment experience and studies..."
It doesn't sound like that they followed the new rules in my case. The problem is not that they don't count my RA because it was during my studies, they don't count it as work at all. The officer repeatedly says that it's not work, it's study. So I don't think appealing would help my case.
Not at all but I don't know where to look to find that information, which page/title exactly?pari_p said:
If you look at the eligibility assessment (for me its on page 6 but can be different for everyone depending on the number of people on per application) section of your GCMS notes, look at 'Assigned to:' it has to be a 6 digit ID (my officer is RC-6262).RA_toronto said:
OMG he hates us.... mine currently says Review Required on the Status!!! Not sure what that means..... he wrote the notes that RA doesnt count as work and hence I dont meet requirement on 10th mayRA_toronto said:
not sure what he is still doing with my file..... hope review required means he gave it to someone else to loook at it!!!
I wouldn't want to disappoint you but mine said review required too, and I got the rejection the following day. Hopefully, yours will be different and get accepted. Please update us once you hear back from CIC. Good luck!pari_p said:OMG he hates us.... mine currently says Review Required on the Status!!! Not sure what that means..... he wrote the notes that RA doesnt count as work and hence I dont meet requirement on 10th may
This is the most ridiculous case of refusal I have seen on this forum. T4 and T4A are based on how your funding agency and university choose to pay you and has nothing to do with the type of work you do or how many hours you spend. They're treating it as if you work for two different employers. This indicates they are clinching to straws to find a reason for rejection. Which makes me suspect you are a male and Iranian.RA_toronto said:Bad news, I got rejected too
On July 17th, I got the GCMS notes and on July 18th, I received the rejection. My rejection email says this:
"I am not satisfied you meet the skilled work experience requirement. According to your application, you worked as a research/teaching assistant (NOC 4012) for periods of employment as follows: 2010/09/01 to date of application; 2011/09/06 – 2011/12/06; 2010/09/07 – 2010/12/08; 2008/09/01 – 2010/03/31. In support of this you provided documentation from the University of Toronto confirming you were a full time PhD student receiving financial support from the Department of ... for your PhD studies and also letters providing a breakdown of financial support. The information provided indicates that a portion of the stated work experience is research which was in direct support of and a component of your graduate studies. Your employment contracts stipulate that foreign students can only work at the school where they are authorized to study. Accordingly, this experience does not qualify as work experience under the Canadian Experience Class as it does not meet the definition of “work” as defined under R2 of the Regulations. It is not considered an activity requiring entry into the Canadian labour market, as illustrated by declared income on your T4A statements as opposed to your T4 statement. Consequently, I am not satisfied you meet the selection criteria of the Canadian experience class."
My GCMS notes says similar stuff:
"...The majority of PA's income from UofT listed on T4A certificates, implying self-employment or a scholarship or a grant based payment structure. Employment letter lists duties which appear to conform to NOC but appears to do nothing to establish a difference between the PA's employment experience and studies..."
It doesn't sound like that they followed the new rules in my case. The problem is not that they don't count my RA because it was during my studies, they don't count it as work at all. The officer repeatedly says that it's not work, it's study. So I don't think appealing would help my case.
No.noc4012 said:
is no different for either CEC or FSWP purpose. Yes, it is true that CURRENTLY (starting January 1 2013), pursuant to IRPR 87.1(3),
But these guys applied before January 2013, and unless the new stipulation has been applied retroactively, there should not be any reason in rejecting the applications based on the fact that the work experience had been gained while being a full-time student.
