Application Rejected !!!!!

[ZingyDNA]

It VO did, I can't totally understand why my job duties can be regarded as 4154(minister), because my application clearly says that my category is 4217, and my job duties match 4217 so close (the first sentence in my job duties are exactly the same). My job title also definitely belongs to 4217.
I didn't mention the word "minister" in any of my application.

Perhaps the VO sent you an email saying he/she re-assigned your NOC to 4154 or some other NOC A, and somehow you missed it? GCMS notes would have a record of that, if it had happened..

 

[yixiaop26]

Maybe we can have a close check with your duties :

4217
A:Assist at services of public worship and religious rites
Brovide religious education, spiritual guidance and moral support to members of a religious community
C:Administer programs providing food, clothing and shelter.


yours:
Arovide religious education, spiritual guidance and moral support to XXX
B:Assist worship services in order, inviting and welcoming guest speakers
C:Lead and organize bible camps
D:Organize and lead regular bible study according to the curriculum


and 4154:
A:Conduct regular religious services
B:Administer rites of faiths such as marriages and funerals
Cray and promote spirituality by delivering sermons and other talks
Drovide spiritual and moral guidance to members of a religious faith
E:Supervise, plan and administer programs of religious education
F:May participate in humanitarian endeavours, social services and welfare activities
G:May share in the administrative and financial operation of a religious community
H:May provide consultation services to government and other organizations.


yousr A: == 4217 B and 4154 D

yousr B: == 4217 A

yours C :== 4154 E

yours D :== 4154 E

and 4217 C can't be found in your duties. ( may be you didn't list all your duties here )

So , as a person who is not in your industry .

if I am VO , I will treat you as 4154 because your half more duties is 4154 .

only half duties is 4217 .


if you apply again, there would be still a problem, because employer letter's duties usually difficult to be changed even for next apply .


you use two times for the word "lead ".


you really need more explanation ( better from your manager ) for what's mean lead ? which will make others feel it is type A job.

 

[pfse]

if I am VO , I will treat you as 4154 because your half more duties is 4154 .

only half duties is 4217 .

VO will never assess an application against NOC code which is not in the application. At least I never heard about something like this. Usualy if the duties doesn't match the NOC, than VO rejects the application.

 

[yixiaop26]

VO will never assess an application against NOC code which is not in the application. At least I never heard about something like this. Usualy if the duties doesn't match the NOC, than VO rejects the application.

if so , it is a good news, so there is no problem for NOC B . because reject reason is english level

don't mention anything about match.

so only problem is in VO side treat B as A .

But I really doubt VO will made such mistake , do you heard of this before in some place ?

 

[pfse]

if so , it is a good news, so there is no problem for NOC B . because reject reason is english level

don't mention anything about match.

so only problem is in VO side treat B as A .

But I really doubt VO will made such mistake , do you heard of this before in some place ?

Nothing like this... but I heard about some weired things CIC is doing. Friend of mine was rejected because of insuficient english score... He applied for PR on CEC in jan 2012, when his score was perfectly sufficient. Then somewhen in july 2012, CIC has increased english score requirements and few months later friend of mine got rejected...

 

[yixiaop26]

Nothing like this... but I heard about some weired things CIC is doing. Friend of mine was rejected because of insuficient english score... He applied for PR on CEC in jan 2012, when his score was perfectly sufficient. Then somewhen in july 2012, CIC has increased english score requirements and few months later friend of mine got rejected...

Then we have no way what to do now ? if they increase requirement in this way for NOC B , maybe it will be announced later . but it is still not right, execute it before announce .

 

[ZingyDNA]

Maybe we can have a close check with your duties :


...

Still in the rejection letter the VO should of mentioned if there was a problem with the NOC code.

 

[yixiaop26]

Still in the rejection letter the VO should of mentioned if there was a problem with the NOC code.

I am almost scared with this kind of rejection.

if so . all the NOC B type application can be rejected in this way .

and say, your english level doesn't match NOC A .

this is not only a mindless fault.

it is a very basic low level mistake.

it is like police with gun to shoot nice people.

frustrated with this rejection if the real reason is as this.

 

[temp123]

Thank you for all your responses.

If I re-apply, I still have some issues. I have been working as NOC A since last December. (it has been 9 months..)
Then, if I re-apply, within the recent three years, I have worked as NOC A for 9 months, and worked as NOC B for 19 months.
Then, could you let me know what is my language requirements?
Some people say that I have to meet CLBs of 7 for NOC A which is higher.
Other people say that it's enough to meet the level for NOC B (Because I had worked as NOC B longer than NOC A.)

Thanks.

 

[yixiaop26]

Thank you for all your responses.

If I re-apply, I still have some issues. I have been working as NOC A since last December. (it has been 9 months..)
Then, if I re-apply, within the recent three years, I have worked as NOC A for 9 months, and worked as NOC B for 19 months.
Then, could you let me know what is my language requirements?
Some people say that I have to meet CLBs of 7 for NOC A which is higher.
Other people say that it's enough to meet the level for NOC B (Because I had worked as NOC B longer than NOC A.)

Thanks.

There is do have answer on guide :
only page 8 of 55

Note: If you have Canadian work experience in both NOC 0/A and B occupations, you must submit language test results that meet the language proficiency requirements for the occupation in which you obtained the majority of your work experience during the three years preceding the date of application.


so , In my opinion, I don't think you need A's requirement .

but your case become complex now.

why now you mention you have both A and B job?

Do you get any reply from CIC ?

 

[temp123]

There is do have answer on guide :
only page 8 of 55

Note: If you have Canadian work experience in both NOC 0/A and B occupations, you must submit language test results that meet the language proficiency requirements for the occupation in which you obtained the majority of your work experience during the three years preceding the date of application.


so , In my opinion, I don't think you need A's requirement .

but your case become complex now.

why now you mention you have both A and B job?

Do you get any reply from CIC ?

No I didn't get any reply yet. So frustrated. Some people in this forum suggest me to re-apply. (Because reopening of the rejected case is very rare..) So , now I'm thinking if I have to take the language test again when I re-apply.

 

[yixiaop26]

No I didn't get any reply yet. So frustrated. Some people in this forum suggest me to re-apply. (Because reopening of the rejected case is very rare..) So , now I'm thinking if I have to take the language test again when I re-apply.

I suggest to figure out what's the really reason for rejection,

because the mail you received from CIC obviously wrong .

some real reason left. or they made mistake.


if you don't know the real reason. how to apply again.


and btw, the result you posted is IELTS result not other test result. you sure this , right ?

 

[yixiaop26]

I don't think there exists something special in my application, but the email in August was the first and last contact from CIC..

oh, you can mail below email address to ask for what NOC code you are :

noc-cnp@workingincanada.gc.ca


they will relay in next day usually.

you need give your education, and employer letter job duties, and job title( they don't care job title)

and you even can ask them like : my job tile appeared in NOC A , but my duties is NOC B , what my code would be ?

they will explain to you. until you satisfied.

 

[jes_ON]

But I really doubt VO will made such mistake , do you heard of this before in some place ?

Yes, it does happen. VOs are human beings.

I think the duties describe in the letter match the NOC 4217 (B).

I am inclined to believe the VO made a mistake. In that case, you can reply to the email and ask that the decision be reconsidered, because you believe the VO made an error. Then explain the error -

(If YOU made the error, they will not allow you to correct it like this. This is only if the VO made the error).

It's good to order the GCMS notes and start thinking about a new application, but based on the information here, I think there's a good chance that the file will be re-opened. It is certainly worth a try, and you should have a decision about reconsideration in 2-4 weeks.

 

[yixiaop26]

Yes, it does happen. VOs are human beings.

I think the duties describe in the letter match the NOC 4217 (B).

I am inclined to believe the VO made a mistake. In that case, you can reply to the email and ask that the decision be reconsidered, because you believe the VO made an error. Then explain the error -

(If YOU made the error, they will not allow you to correct it like this. This is only if the VO made the error).

It's good to order the GCMS notes and start thinking about a new application, but based on the information here, I think there's a good chance that the file will be re-opened. It is certainly worth a try, and you should have a decision about reconsideration in 2-4 weeks.

OK, good news, let keep this as an example as part of VO mistake collections

and please update your news here,

I am really interesting with what will happen later.