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nima2000

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Have you received the same request? I have heard from some people ,if you have some document showing that you have applied for some some jobs outside the Quebec, maybe it can help! However, it seems that they need something like job offer.

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morena34 said:
I did send updated reference letter. And I was confident the letter was the way they wanted. Too bad that now they require credential assessment! It such a hassle!! Im not sure what to do right now! Next year I will graduate and I was hoping to get that PR done! I have some questions now, and that would be great if some one can help me out! First, do they still accept RA/TA as a job experience? Are they awarding that 5 points of adaptability for 2 years of study? And finally if I want to get that credentials assessment done, should I only deal with my master degree? would that be enough? Or both bachelor and master need to get assessed be WES?! I appreciate your help, feeling frustrated and disappointed! :(
well then that's very unfortunate that they rejected you even with the updated reference letters :(..did they have the lead statement and the key word ASSIST in them?..anyways i think you should reapply as soon as possible...now answering your questions
1. They still accept RA/TA as work experience under the Ph.D. stream but no longer so for CEC
2. They havn't awarded the 5 adaptability points to anyone so far. Now whether they will award those points starting May 4, 2013 applicants we really don't know. No one who applied after the new set of rules were published havn't reached that far for us to conclusively say so
3. I believe just your highest degree has to be assessed..so i guess in your case your masters...(but don't quote me on this one...i hope someone who recently went through this assessment can comment on this :D)
 

morena34

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anjuku said:
well then that's very unfortunate that they rejected you even with the updated reference letters :(..did they have the lead statement and the key word ASSIST in them?..anyways i think you should reapply as soon as possible...now answering your questions
1. They still accept RA/TA as work experience under the Ph.D. stream but no longer so for CEC
2. They havn't awarded the 5 adaptability points to anyone so far. Now whether they will award those points starting May 4, 2013 applicants we really don't know. No one who applied after the new set of rules were published havn't reached that far for us to conclusively say so
3. I believe just your highest degree has to be assessed..so i guess in your case your masters...(but don't quote me on this one...i hope someone who recently went through this assessment can comment on this :D)

Thanks anjuku. Well I def. need that 5 points anyway, specifically now that they didn't accept my job experience from home! So I guess I'll wait a bit until things get more clear. I just CAN NOT believe getting that PR has become wayyy harder than only 1 year before I got in Canada!
 

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morena34 said:
Thanks anjuku. Well I def. need that 5 points anyway, specifically now that they didn't accept my job experience from home! So I guess I'll wait a bit until things get more clear. I just CAN NOT believe getting that PR has become wayyy harder than only 1 year before I got in Canada!
but wait..now the points calculation has changed completely..there is alot more weightage for the IELTS..so maybe you won't need those 5 adaptability points at all!...here is the link to the new points criteria
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG7TOC.asp

so basically you can get upto 24 points for your IELTS in place of the 16 and for age factor you can get 12 points in place of the 10...so i think you should be fine without the adaptability!!

i think you should check out the above link..good luck!!
 

morena34

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anjuku said:
but wait..now the points calculation has changed completely..there is alot more weightage for the IELTS..so maybe you won't need those 5 adaptability points at all!...here is the link to the new points criteria
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/EG7TOC.asp

so basically you can get upto 24 points for your IELTS in place of the 16 and for age factor you can get 12 points in place of the 10...so i think you should be fine without the adaptability!!

i think you should check out the above link..good luck!!
Yeah, I wont need that 5 points, only if I get the max score of the language part. Thanks again anjuku
Btw if anyone knows what template for RA letter has really worked so far, I'll be SOOO thankful if you share it. There are so many RA reference letter in this forum, I'm not sure which one has been approved by Ottawa thus far.
 

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morena34 said:
Thanks anjuku. Well I def. need that 5 points anyway, specifically now that they didn't accept my job experience from home! So I guess I'll wait a bit until things get more clear. I just CAN NOT believe getting that PR has become wayyy harder than only 1 year before I got in Canada!
I don't think waiting will help.
Update your reference letters. Add the lead statement and substantial number of duties which match the NOC.
Do the ECA and apply again.


morena34 said:
Yeah, I wont need that 5 points, only if I get the max score of the language part. Thanks again anjuku
Btw if anyone knows what template for RA letter has really worked so far, I'll be SOOO thankful if you share it. There are so many RA reference letter in this forum, I'm not sure which one has been approved by Ottawa thus far.
You can find my RA letter here which has been approved by Ottawa.
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/applicant-from-phd-program-after-5-nov-2011-connect-here-to-get-status-t87348.0.html;msg2334592#msg2334592
 

kg.jadu

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morena34 said:
Alright guys, after 1 year and 3 months, I got rejected. Based on the reason they provided in that email, I didn't have 1 year full time job experience. They neither accepted my 3 years job experience from back home nor my RA experience. They didn't mention anything about that 5 points of adaptability anyways.
morena34,

Are you sure they evaluated you based on your updated letters of reference, and not the old ones? It happened several times on this forum (off the top of my head, including myself and aidina) that the updated letters of reference were not added to the file properly. What I would recommend you do, is post your updated letters of reference here so that we can look and see if they are strong. Then, email CPP-Ottawa asking if they received your update; at the same time, order your GCMS notes. Then you will have a complete picture of what has happened to your file and might even be able to overcome their decision.

Good luck.
 

maytheflower

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nima2000 said:
Have you received the same request? I have heard from some people ,if you have some document showing that you have applied for some some jobs outside the Quebec, maybe it can help! However, it seems that they need something like job offer.
not yet, but i worry about it now? what about u? did u prepare some document about it?
 

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kaziahmmed said:
Congratulations!! Tyrusx so finally now you are in our Alumni group :). You could be right regarding Asbereth issue, Alas!! this is called civilized world :(. But the good thing is that a significant number of ppl (who are not white/blonde) had also pleasant landing experience which implies there is still some humanity around us ;))
It's good to know that it's possible to land in Quebec (TyrusX, so they didn't even ask you for the connecting flight to Alberta?):) I think my experience was an outlier, and more like an exception rather than a rule (and I really hope that was the case). Most non-whites here actually have very pleasant experiences while landing :)


morena34 said:
Yeah, I wont need that 5 points, only if I get the max score of the language part. Thanks again anjuku
Btw if anyone knows what template for RA letter has really worked so far, I'll be SOOO thankful if you share it. There are so many RA reference letter in this forum, I'm not sure which one has been approved by Ottawa thus far.
I'm sorry for your rejection. Try to get ready for re-application as soon as possible, and get at least the process going for educational credential evaluation. As anjuku said, if you can max out language points, have at least one continuous year of full-time work experience (or equivalent, but still continuous), have a Master's degree (after ECA), and under 34, then you would have 68 points without counting adaptability into account. beh467's letter would make a good template since it explicitly includes the lead statement before he even listed all the main duties.

Regarding adaptability for previous study, I think there have been different opinions on how to interpret it. We don't know for sure whether they will award these five points just for any period of two years study, but some members here (sarsanballa, oasisfairy, and me) all agree that the new wording has made it clear that the points should be awarded, even without the completion of the program. After all, only completion of the equivalent credits for two years of full-time study is required now, not the completion of the program itself (again, that's how some of us would interpret the new wording).

Some other members (noc4012) are of the opinion that these points still won't be awarded, because of the fact these points are only for 'previous' study (previous, as in, past study), and if you're still currently enrolled as a student, then it won't be counted as 'previous'.

Time will tell I guess. Since we are all so much more experienced now, I will make sure that some of the members (who applied under the new rules) will make request for GCMS notes, at least once after their file has been evaluated by CPP-Ottawa, so that we will know for sure whether they will award these points.

kaziahmmed said:
My language score is also low but thankfully I have solid 9 adaptability points. 5 from my Canadian Masters and 4 from my Spouse Education (MBA). They considered my 3 yrs work experience but if they even reduce to 1 yr I should survive (Total 73 points given in last GCMS). Isn't that :(((
Since you only need one year of work experience to get above 67 points, there will be NO possibility of you to get rejected for not having enough points. The only possible way for them to reject you based on eligibility is if they refuse to give you even that one year.

Since having a Canadian Master's degree pretty much guarantees you the five adaptability points (I'm assuming it was at least two years in duration, right?), then even if they deny you the 4 adaptability for your spouse's education, and only award you 1 year of work experience, you would still have above 67 points :) I hope you have updated them with more detailed work reference letter?

kg.jadu said:
Are you sure they evaluated you based on your updated letters of reference, and not the old ones? It happened several times on this forum (off the top of my head, including myself and aidina) that the updated letters of reference were not added to the file properly. What I would recommend you do, is post your updated letters of reference here so that we can look and see if they are strong. Then, email CPP-Ottawa asking if they received your update; at the same time, order your GCMS notes. Then you will have a complete picture of what has happened to your file and might even be able to overcome their decision.
This is a good idea. I believe both anjuku and beh467 were initially recommended for rejection, but they updated their work experience letter just in time, so FA01772 was forced to consider it as well :)
 

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anjuku said:
so it seems like there is still movement from ottawa's side inspite of the strike ;D ;D ;D ;D...good news indeed!...
They re working. When not on strike, they never responded to my emails regarding confirmation of receipt of documents. After strike, I got response that both my emails were download and attached to document bin (same wording and noting as in my GCMS).

I also got my passport back in 3 days post stamping of TRV.
 

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Stuck In Quebec said:
They re working. When not on strike, they never responded to my emails regarding confirmation of receipt of documents. After strike, I got response that both my emails were download and attached to document bin (same wording and noting as in my GCMS).

I also got my passport back in 3 days post stamping of TRV.
It's good to know you got your passport back in only three days :) Anyway, since you have PR application in process, and at the same time, were applying for a TRV, did you have to bring up dual-intent at all with your application?
 

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kiwignd said:
Hi guys

I sent in my proof of funds (requested June 10th) a week ago to Ottawa. The next day I got this email from them:

I am writing you this letter to express my serious concerns regarding your application for permanent residence in Canada under the Canadian Experience Class.

As per Regulation 75(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, the Federal Skilled Worker Class is prescribed as a class of persons who may become permanent residents on the basis of their ability to economically establish themselves and who intend to reside in a province other than the Province of Quebec. Although you indicated on your application form that you intend to reside in Toronto, Ontario, you currently live and work in Montreal, Quebec. Furthermore, you have not completed your course of study at McGill University. I am concerned that you do not intend to live in a province other that the Province of Quebec.

Therefore I am asking you to submit any additional information and/or documentation that would allay my concern. You have 30 days from the date of this letter to submit the additional information and/or documentation to me. Please ensure that you quote the file number indicated at the top of this letter on any information you submit. If you choose not to respond with additional information and/or documentation, or if your submission does not allay my concern(s), your application may be refused.

I look forward to receiving the additional information and/or documentation within 30 days.


I responded to clarify that I'm applying under the PhD stream and not CEC and asked if proof of relatives in Toronto would be acceptable information to show that I intend to live there. This was the response:

You may submit any documentation that you believe would demonstrate that you intend to reside in a province other than the Province of Quebec upon receiving permanent resident status in Canada. There is no one document that we can recommend as every case is treated individually; the onus is on you to allay our concerns as noted in our message below.

I currently do not have a job offer from Ontario and will not be graduating for at least a year. Other than relatives, is there anything else that can be used as proof of intention to live outside of Quebec?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Don't know what to say. We have not seen a single successful Quebec candidate so far. Same response to everyone. I am in similar boat. Have sent job offer letter, letter of mentorship from new supervisor and letter from current supervisor that I am submitting in July.

Personally with recent GCMS notes I got, I have started looking into post graduation Quebec options and reapplying in PhD stream.

Send them a letter of explanation stating your intentions of leaving, but it will be difficult without job offer or property etc. I am at loss.

Best of luck.
 

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kaziahmmed said:
So, it has been proved that early document request was kind of hoax by the rejection of Sagar84 :(. This is really heart breaking and scary as well :(
Doc request is just to save time of officers. When all is complete, they send it forward to be rejected for some other reason. My GCMS stated the same, doc done, weird noting, file waiting. All of us should order GCMS to see what is happening and update and fix a soon as possible.
 

kg.jadu

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asbereth said:
It's good to know you got your passport back in only three days :) Anyway, since you have PR application in process, and at the same time, were applying for a TRV, did you have to bring up dual-intent at all with your application?
asbereth,

As far as I understand, there is no really such thing as a "dual intent" in Canadian immigration law. Or at least, it does not apply to international students: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/institutions/intent.asp.

So, I believe it is different from the States, where there is a very clear distinction between dual-intent (H1B) and other visas.

By the way, it is slightly off-topic, but still curious---would there potentially be a difficulty in getting a visitor visa after being on an H1B?
 

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asbereth said:
It's good to know you got your passport back in only three days :) Anyway, since you have PR application in process, and at the same time, were applying for a TRV, did you have to bring up dual-intent at all with your application?
No dual intent. My passport expired, so did my study permit and so did my TRV. Have to travel soon so had to have the the travel docs ready for reentry.

I am pretty sure that they know with the UCI. I though send an explanation letter and proof that I am traveling for Univ business and have to leave soon, and viola 3 days later, passport received.

Hope I have similar luck with this PR application too.