A question may sensitive, about "representative"

[Laini]

Dear All,

I am silent to this great form for a long time. I am going to submit my e-APR, but there is one question regard on "representative", it may sensitive, but I really need your input.
Please reply or PM me if you would like to share.

The situation is, I have had help who has experience of immigration to Canada, so called "Seniors", she had been migrated to Canada.
She helped me checked my files / documents, revised some of documents, gave me advice. I asked her questions about the process, about my documents, about EE system.
Sure, I paid her, as known, some of person in rich experience will not answer many and detailed question for free.
I also asked a lot of question in What's App and other groups and other seniors, some paid small money, too, some free.

But I prepare all materials myself, investigate about the process, documents, register and submit all documents no matter paper or in EE myself. I asked paid or unpaid seniors just for double confirmation or rare cases, I really cannot find the answer from this form or official website.

In a word, I asked question and get answer from paid seniors (sure, not authorized lawyer) and unpaid, they checked my documents and revised some little part. I got advice and help from other platforms and people. But I do all real action myself, fill all section of any application myself.

I checked IRCC website about the definition of "representative", it seems like anyone get any help from any others, paid and unpaid, no matter advice, consultant etc. all are defined as representative. And only authorized lawyer has privilege to ask for pay.
But in EE, if I choose yes in "representative", it is said the "representative" is the one I appoint she/he do business and correspondence on be half of me to IRCC.

So the question is:
Do you, dear, have same situation, and what's your opinion and choice in EE?

It seems to me that, a lot of people get help, paid or unpaid, but most of us never ask anyone represent him/her do business between himself/herself and IRCC.
So I do not need to fill IMM5476E, and no need to choose YES and fill the contact info of the representative as I do all communication and action myself.
Also if I choose Yes, according to the definition, all persons I asked for advice, check my files, paid or unpaid, can be "representative".

But if I choose "No", it will be misreprensitation?

If there is anyone would like to share his/her experience by replying here or sending PM to me, will be great appreciated.

Ref.: (Sorry I am not able to post links here, the prefix of following path is the CIC official website)
Guide 5561 - Instructions - Use of a Representative
/english/information/applications/guides/5561E.asp

IMM5476E
/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5476e.pdf

 

[coolhyd]

Dear All,

I am silent to this great form for a long time. I am going to submit my e-APR, but there is one question regard on "representative", it may sensitive, but I really need your input.
Please reply or PM me if you would like to share.

The situation is, I have had help who has experience of immigration to Canada, so called "Seniors", she had been migrated to Canada.
She helped me checked my files / documents, revised some of documents, gave me advice. I asked her questions about the process, about my documents, about EE system.
Sure, I paid her, as known, some of person in rich experience will not answer many and detailed question for free.
I also asked a lot of question in What's App and other groups and other seniors, some paid small money, too, some free.

But I prepare all materials myself, investigate about the process, documents, register and submit all documents no matter paper or in EE myself. I asked paid or unpaid seniors just for double confirmation or rare cases, I really cannot find the answer from this form or official website.

In a word, I asked question and get answer from paid seniors (sure, not authorized lawyer) and unpaid, they checked my documents and revised some little part. I got advice and help from other platforms and people. But I do all real action myself, fill all section of any application myself.

I checked IRCC website about the definition of "representative", it seems like anyone get any help from any others, paid and unpaid, no matter advice, consultant etc. all are defined as representative. And only authorized lawyer has privilege to ask for pay.
But in EE, if I choose yes in "representative", it is said the "representative" is the one I appoint she/he do business and correspondence on be half of me to IRCC.

So the question is:
Do you, dear, have same situation, and what's your opinion and choice in EE?

It seems to me that, a lot of people get help, paid or unpaid, but most of us never ask anyone represent him/her do business between himself/herself and IRCC.
So I do not need to fill IMM5476E, and no need to choose YES and fill the contact info of the representative as I do all communication and action myself.
Also if I choose Yes, according to the definition, all persons I asked for advice, check my files, paid or unpaid, can be "representative".

But if I choose "No", it will be misreprensitation?

If there is anyone would like to share his/her experience by replying here or sending PM to me, will be great appreciated.

Ref.: (Sorry I am not able to post links here, the prefix of following path is the CIC official website)
Guide 5561 - Instructions - Use of a Representative
/english/information/applications/guides/5561E.asp

IMM5476E
/english/pdf/kits/forms/imm5476e.pdf

You make things too complicated for yourself. Just answer "No" in your PR application.

 

[Laini]

coolhyd,

Thanks for your reply.
I may overthinking about this, but I am really worried about this. Because the person - "she" with rich experience help a lot of people, as consultant, paid.

Sure I know everyone help a lot of people, like this forum.
But she just like an unauthorized people coz she earns money by consulting people in immigration...

So may I understand if I prepare materials and documents myself, just ask questions and ask for files checking from her, then she will not be my representative. Then I choose NO is not misrepresentation?

You make things too complicated for yourself. Just answer "No" in your PR application.

 

[foodie69]

As mentioned before.. do not think that much! Everyone at times gets help in some way or another. A representative is only someone acting on your behalf and signing the papers. Since you do all the work by yourself, you represent yourself.

There are waaay bigger fish to fry on your way to Canadian immigration..

 

[zardoz]

Section 91(2) of the Immigration & Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) and Section 21.1 of the Citizenship Act requires that anyone who provides Canadian immigration or citizenship advice for a fee or other consideration, must be a member in good standing of a law society in Canada, the Chambre des notaires du Québec, or ICCRC.

http://iccrc-crcic.info/ and http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/representative/rep-who.asp

It doesn't restrict to actually representing you, it also includes advice. Nobody on this forum should be asking for, or receiving anything, for assistance given, unless they are authorised.

If anyone here is acting in this manner, they need to be reported and banned from the forum.

 

[Laini]

your inputs ease my pain! Thanks!
But just not really understood the sentence of "There are waaay bigger fish to fry on your way to Canadian immigration.."

As mentioned before.. do not think that much! Everyone at times gets help in some way or another. A representative is only someone acting on your behalf and signing the papers. Since you do all the work by yourself, you represent yourself.

There are waaay bigger fish to fry on your way to Canadian immigration..

 

[Laini]

It doesn't restrict to actually representing you, it also includes advice. Nobody on this forum should be asking for, or receiving anything, for assistance given, unless they are authorised.

If anyone here is acting in this manner, they need to be reported and banned from the forum.

zardoz,

I agree your quote and clarification about "representative".
But it seems it is another perspective of view to this topic.

In fact I am more concentrating on whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO.
It seems your reply is more focusing on whether the person provides help/advice/consulting should ask for or receive anything by anyway.

IMO, and frankly speak, I paid her proactively, she never ask for anything although she earns money by doing that. But in my own case, I want a higher priority of in time replying from her, and I know I always ask a lot of questions, and detailed.
It seems to me no one has responsibility to answer many and detailed questions to strangers, even acquaintances. Not to mention how important the experience is in the way to immigration.
So I give her money proactively.
I believe knowledge is valuable.

But sure, I great appreciate all people in this forum would like to contribute their knowledge and experience.
But if someone would like to have very in time and detailed answers to his/her own special case, a "consultant" can be a good choice or back up plan to double confirm, too.

So would you mind share your opinion about my concentration, whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO as I ask advice, double confirmation, file/documents checking or revising from someone, but prepare all materials myself, executive all actions myself, investigate rules/guidance myself and etc.?

Thanks for your inputs.

 

[bellaluna]

zardoz,

I agree your quote and clarification about "representative".
But it seems it is another perspective of view to this topic.

In fact I am more concentrating on whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO.
It seems your reply is more focusing on whether the person provides help/advice/consulting should ask for or receive anything by anyway.

IMO, and frankly speak, I paid her proactively, she never ask for anything although she earns money by doing that. But in my own case, I want a higher priority of in time replying from her, and I know I always ask a lot of questions, and detailed.
It seems to me no one has responsibility to answer many and detailed questions to strangers, even acquaintances. Not to mention how important the experience is in the way to immigration.
So I give her money proactively.
I believe knowledge is valuable.

But sure, I great appreciate all people in this forum would like to contribute their knowledge and experience.
But if someone would like to have very in time and detailed answers to his/her own special case, a "consultant" can be a good choice or back up plan to double confirm, too.

So would you mind share your opinion about my concentration, whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO as I ask advice, double confirmation, file/documents checking or revising from someone, but prepare all materials myself, executive all actions myself, investigate rules/guidance myself and etc.?

Thanks for your inputs.

Let me be the third person to say here you are overthinking this. "There are bigger fish to fry..." means this is among the least of your and CIC's concerns, so don't fixate on it anymore.

Just answer "no", I've seen many situations similar to yours and they get PR successfully.

 

[Laini]

bellaluna,

You are welcomed even you are the 1000000 person to say I am overthinking

How I worried is whether I will got backtracked if the person SHE was found as unauthorized and gave me advice, then my PR will be cancelled.

I raise this topic is because I just heard from my post-graduate college mates said there was something happened in 2015 from Hongkong office, rejected a lot of applicants (or pending till now) since they were having representative but not declared (not filled IMM5476 form).
Some of them were made decision of misrepresent and banned for applying in 5 years...
This shocked me. See following URL too, on this forum (sorry I cannot post links, the prefix of following path is canadavisa forum domain
/canada-immigration-discussion-board/pls-save-me%0Ci-am-dying-for-the-unauthorized-immigration-representative%20%20%20-t282488.0.html

Maybe I am not only overthinking...but more serious to anxiety disorders? LOL :-\

Let me be the third person to say here you are overthinking this. "There are bigger fish to fry..." means this is among the least of your concerns, so don't fixate on it anymore.

Just answer "no", I've seen many examples like yours and they get PR successfully.

 

[zardoz]

zardoz,

I agree your quote and clarification about "representative".
But it seems it is another perspective of view to this topic.

In fact I am more concentrating on whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO.
It seems your reply is more focusing on whether the person provides help/advice/consulting should ask for or receive anything by anyway.

IMO, and frankly speak, I paid her proactively, she never ask for anything although she earns money by doing that. But in my own case, I want a higher priority of in time replying from her, and I know I always ask a lot of questions, and detailed.
It seems to me no one has responsibility to answer many and detailed questions to strangers, even acquaintances. Not to mention how important the experience is in the way to immigration.
So I give her money proactively.
I believe knowledge is valuable.

But sure, I great appreciate all people in this forum would like to contribute their knowledge and experience.
But if someone would like to have very in time and detailed answers to his/her own special case, a "consultant" can be a good choice or back up plan to double confirm, too.

So would you mind share your opinion about my concentration, whether I will be treated as "misrepresentation" if I select NO as I ask advice, double confirmation, file/documents checking or revising from someone, but prepare all materials myself, executive all actions myself, investigate rules/guidance myself and etc.?

Thanks for your inputs.

In your case, NO would be appropriate. You are not having a representative to actually handle communication with IRCC.

 

[Laini]

zardoz,

Thanks for your reply and patience.

In your case, NO would be appropriate. You are not having a representative to actually handle communication with IRCC.

 

[Laini]

I raise this topic is because I just heard from my post-graduate college mates said there was something happened in 2015 from Hongkong office, rejected a lot of applicants (or pending till now) since they were having representative but not declared (not filled IMM5476 form).
Some of them were made decision of misrepresent and banned for applying in 5 years...
This shocked me. See following URL too, on this forum (sorry I cannot post links, the prefix of following path is canadavisa forum domain
/canada-immigration-discussion-board/pls-save-me%0Ci-am-dying-for-the-unauthorized-immigration-representative%20%20%20-t282488.0.html

So is there anyone else would like to share some ideas and comments about my case? Or above case?

Thanks all above replies~Maybe I worried too much and asked too many, so you may understand why I need to "pay" someone to answer my questions :'(
I worried whether I will got backtracked if the person SHE was found as unauthorized and gave me advice, then my PR will be cancelled.

 

[Laini]

Mate - you have already told us about this HK case that someone told you about. Stop paying attention to rumours, don't troll this forum and listen to what you've already been told numerous times: you do not list this person as an agent on your profile. Period.

dan_and,

Sorry Sir/Madam, I didn't get you.
Do you mean I should learn from HK case, or I should listen to above advices that I no need to list SHE as agent?
Would you mind re-phrase?

If it's the latter one, THANK YOU.
Now I understand it is no need to choose YES as she is not my representative. She doesn't play as an "active" role, just answer my questions, check my files correct and revise some. (She asked me provide all my file to her and she helps me to complete all forms in EE, but I clearly refused and told her I would like to do it myself)

Thank you

BTW abou the HK case, it is not rumour, I checked with my mate on some forums in the language of her country, I understand some of that language.
I also posted the link just now, there is real sample in our forum, so it is not rumour.

Edit:
dan_and, thanks for your reply, now I understand "troll this forum" means "posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages".
If I did it, sorry, I did it unintentionally.
I understand this is a forum for discussing any circumstances about visa, maybe I just too worried about my situation and "misrepresentation" + I saw the HK cases in 2015/June.
Thanks again for your post and patience.

 

[bestofluck]

@Laini, you look so confused that now you really need an official Immigration lawyer to complete your application. So hire one and write 'YES'

 

[Laini]

bestofluck,

Thanks for your "suggestion". LOL
I just feel there is a little "conflict" of IRCC:
One side, IRCC said any one give applicant any kind of advice, consult, etc, paid or unpaid, is "representative"; on the other side, they required to fill 5476 form.But 5476 only means someone ask another communicate and take action on behalf of her between she and IRCC...But it is definitely clear that, someone can suggest applicant, as consultant, paid, unpaid, but the applicant never ask him take action on behalf of the applicant. But IRCC will treat this as "misreprensentation"...So this really makes me confused...

BTW, I have submitted my e-APR.

Thanks for your reply

@Laini, you look so confused that now you really need an official Immigration lawyer to complete your application. So hire one and write 'YES'