A comprehensive list of threads that this forum doesn't need.

[purplesnow]

Hello everyone,

I am aware that some people will say this post is superfluous or unhelpful, however, take it from someone who went through this whole PR process, from setting up an EE profile all the way to landing, and who spent many hours on this forum.

I am not sure if anyone will listen to this, but I thought, I'd give it a try.

This forum is supposed to help people, to answer questions, to share know-how. How does this happen: People who went through the process share their experience with people who are new to the process and have questions.

As said, I am done with the process. I would love to help people out with their questions, but truth be told: You're not making it easy.

From a perspective of someone who wants to help, here is a list of things that this forum doesn't need:

Another thread that guesses the time or score of the next ITA round

No. One. On. This. Forum. Can have any idea what the next score is going to be. Threads like "Let's guess the score of the next round" or "When do you think the score will fall below XYZ points?" are helping no one and inherently pointless. They either give forum members false hope or they unnecessarily demotivate them. The actual helpful information in these posts can be condensed to this:

Check if you can improve your score somehow and do it. Look at past scores to get an idea. And most importantly: If you take the points of the last two draws, add them and take the square root, then divide it by the number of CEC applicants and multiply it with the current FSW point threshold, you get a number. But that number contains no information whatsoever.

If the 20th draw is due but hasn't happened yet and you post a thread with the title "20th draw! 445 points!" (containing another guess), I hope you're happy that you gave several forum users a heart attack and then a huge bucket of disappointment. Don't do it.

Another person that walks through random threads and asks every single poster "What is your timeline?"

Individual timelines are of no help. They don't give you any information. The only useful source are these Excel/Google spreadsheets of candidate's timelines (big shoutout to those who administer them, great work!). They give you a big picture. Believe it or not, all our cases are individual. It's like asking one person how old they are to get an idea how old everyone is. If you see that fifty people had to wait on average for X days from Decision Made to PPR, that is valuable information. If you see that John Doe had to wait for only 12 hours to get his PPR, that only demotivates people or makes them nervous if they don't get a PPR within 12 hours as well.

Use one thread to collect the timelines and organize spreadsheets. Don't flood the forum with timeline requests. And no, just because someone else applied from the same postal code as you and happens to have a passport that was issued on a prime numbered day JUST LIKE YOURS, that doesn't mean he will get his AOR on the same day as you do.

People with hearsay "insider info"

If someone posts of some insider information saying that the ITA score will go down/CIC will change the rules tomorrow, that has one of the following reasons:
- The author of the post is naive
- The author of the post wants attention
- The author of the post is intentionally lying (for whatever reason)

If someone posts that he heard from his lawyer that some colleague of his talked to someone who once was in the same starbucks with a CIC employee and he said that the ITA score is going down soon: Ignore it. If the EE program is getting changed, you will read it in publications of the Government of Canada, on political party websites (right now: The Liberal Party) or - just before implementation - on the CIC website.

Another thread that connects people with a constructed "connection"

There definitely is very useful threads, like "People applying from country X, connect here" (since you have the same paperwork struggles) or "People who prepare an Ontario nomination application, connect here" (since you have similar hoops to jump). But:

Please don't make another thread like "People who's score is between 487 and 492 and had to wait for more than 23 days between application and AOR, connect here". This (falsely) suggests random correlations of different facts that you just made up. It'll turn into another thread that tries to guess the secret scheme/strategy that CIC applies to choose which applications get processed first. If your application goes some days slower than someone elses, most likely your CIC agent is on vacation or actually is just a slow worker. I highly doubt that he decided: "Oh, look, these two applications have the same score range, I'm gonna put them in the same pile, right next to the tall-people-pile".

Closing remarks

I'm sorry if this post sounds a bit like a rant. But I thought I'd give it a try before I just leave this forum instead of helping people out. I think I have a decent amount of knowledge to share. I haven't made that many posts but the ones I made seemed to be helpful. But I don't think I'll keep up with this if I continue to have to scroll through all these pointless "crystal ball gazing" posts again, and again, and again.

+1 from me too. You've said everything that's been bothering me about this forum in a far nicer way than I ever could.

 

[Ibyt]

Oh, I'm so happy with this thread, +1 for you.

As harsh as this might sound, I have concluded that I wouldn't respond to basic information that can be found on the express entry website. It is obvious that some people have not bothered to read anything about EE at all and want people to answer questions here, I personally see such individuals as unserious because I don't think it is ok to go into something as important as a PR application without knowing the basics of the process.
I mean questions like this from someone applying as a FWS " How much do I need for POF?"

IMO, the forum should be for imfortation that is not on the CIC website, clearly stated or easily accessible.

Thank you again for your post.

 

[johnny123]

Very well said, +1. I would just add that this forum also doesn't need:
People who reply to threads with questions about their personal situation which has nothing to do with thread's subject.

For instance, when I browse through "Reasons for rejections" thread, I don't want to see there questions like "My score is 400, how can I improve it?" "Do I need ECA for EE?" "Should I upload just biodata from my passport or blank pages too?" etc etc. It is irrelevant to the thread and very energy & time consuming.

 

[G.Singh]

I think its best to have something similar to other popular forums especially www.immigrationboards.com where Admins of Forum have already collated most important FAQs in one place and even sample document outlines (minus personal info) used for various submissions, right in the beginning of forum, bold and highlighted. Just saying.

 

[Direction North]

Hello everyone,

I am aware that some people will say this post is superfluous or unhelpful, however, take it from someone who went through this whole PR process, from setting up an EE profile all the way to landing, and who spent many hours on this forum.

I am not sure if anyone will listen to this, but I thought, I'd give it a try.

This forum is supposed to help people, to answer questions, to share know-how. How does this happen: People who went through the process share their experience with people who are new to the process and have questions.

As said, I am done with the process. I would love to help people out with their questions, but truth be told: You're not making it easy.

From a perspective of someone who wants to help, here is a list of things that this forum doesn't need:

Another thread that guesses the time or score of the next ITA round

No. One. On. This. Forum. Can have any idea what the next score is going to be. Threads like "Let's guess the score of the next round" or "When do you think the score will fall below XYZ points?" are helping no one and inherently pointless. They either give forum members false hope or they unnecessarily demotivate them. The actual helpful information in these posts can be condensed to this:

Check if you can improve your score somehow and do it. Look at past scores to get an idea. And most importantly: If you take the points of the last two draws, add them and take the square root, then divide it by the number of CEC applicants and multiply it with the current FSW point threshold, you get a number. But that number contains no information whatsoever.

If the 20th draw is due but hasn't happened yet and you post a thread with the title "20th draw! 445 points!" (containing another guess), I hope you're happy that you gave several forum users a heart attack and then a huge bucket of disappointment. Don't do it.

Another person that walks through random threads and asks every single poster "What is your timeline?"

Individual timelines are of no help. They don't give you any information. The only useful source are these Excel/Google spreadsheets of candidate's timelines (big shoutout to those who administer them, great work!). They give you a big picture. Believe it or not, all our cases are individual. It's like asking one person how old they are to get an idea how old everyone is. If you see that fifty people had to wait on average for X days from Decision Made to PPR, that is valuable information. If you see that John Doe had to wait for only 12 hours to get his PPR, that only demotivates people or makes them nervous if they don't get a PPR within 12 hours as well.

Use one thread to collect the timelines and organize spreadsheets. Don't flood the forum with timeline requests. And no, just because someone else applied from the same postal code as you and happens to have a passport that was issued on a prime numbered day JUST LIKE YOURS, that doesn't mean he will get his AOR on the same day as you do.

People with hearsay "insider info"

If someone posts of some insider information saying that the ITA score will go down/CIC will change the rules tomorrow, that has one of the following reasons:
- The author of the post is naive
- The author of the post wants attention
- The author of the post is intentionally lying (for whatever reason)

If someone posts that he heard from his lawyer that some colleague of his talked to someone who once was in the same starbucks with a CIC employee and he said that the ITA score is going down soon: Ignore it. If the EE program is getting changed, you will read it in publications of the Government of Canada, on political party websites (right now: The Liberal Party) or - just before implementation - on the CIC website.

Another thread that connects people with a constructed "connection"

There definitely is very useful threads, like "People applying from country X, connect here" (since you have the same paperwork struggles) or "People who prepare an Ontario nomination application, connect here" (since you have similar hoops to jump). But:

Please don't make another thread like "People who's score is between 487 and 492 and had to wait for more than 23 days between application and AOR, connect here". This (falsely) suggests random correlations of different facts that you just made up. It'll turn into another thread that tries to guess the secret scheme/strategy that CIC applies to choose which applications get processed first. If your application goes some days slower than someone elses, most likely your CIC agent is on vacation or actually is just a slow worker. I highly doubt that he decided: "Oh, look, these two applications have the same score range, I'm gonna put them in the same pile, right next to the tall-people-pile".

Closing remarks

I'm sorry if this post sounds a bit like a rant. But I thought I'd give it a try before I just leave this forum instead of helping people out. I think I have a decent amount of knowledge to share. I haven't made that many posts but the ones I made seemed to be helpful. But I don't think I'll keep up with this if I continue to have to scroll through all these pointless "crystal ball gazing" posts again, and again, and again.

I totally agree. Thumbs up!

 

[Encore]

Unfortunately people are here for different reasons, some of which may be quite oterior. *I am not judging anyone.
And by the way, is there any admin on this forum? *I am not sure, I do not know.
I only wonder how this warning dished out will be enforced. Is there a plan yet?
It sounds synical to say, but I see a couple of +1 going round for this post, when in reality it looks like one of those things in the air because it is almost non-enforceable without an admin and there is no plan on how it will be enforced. With due respect, I would ask that we let people post what they like. Let them repeat if they like. I usually type a search into google and a couple of different threads on the same theme will appear, some of which may be years apart. I am able to ascertain the veracity of the ideas like that, especially when the discussion is far apart in time, but consistent in ideas. It is quite a reassuring feeling to be honest.

*My honest 2 cents with due respect to everyone

 

[Asivad Anac]

Unfortunately people are here for different reasons, some of which may be quite oterior. *I am not judging anyone.
And by the way, is there any admin on this forum? *I am not sure, I do not know.
I only wonder how this warning dished out will be enforced. Is there a plan yet?
It sounds synical to say, but I see a couple of +1 going round for this post, when in reality it looks like one of those things in the air because it is almost non-enforceable without an admin and there is no plan on how it will be enforced. With due respect, I would ask that we let people post what they like. Let them repeat if they like. I usually type a search into google and a couple of different threads on the same theme will appear, some of which may be years apart. I am able to ascertain the veracity of the ideas like that, especially when the discussion is far apart in time, but consistent in ideas. It is quite a reassuring feeling to be honest.

*My honest 2 cents with due respect to everyone

Well, this one was really relevant when it was originally posted. For most of last year, the forum was a terrible place if you wanted to search for information. Most of the first page was cluttered with useless threads speculating about draw times/cutoff scores/imaginary connections/insider information/hot tips/ what not.

Posts like these and concerted 'name and shame' efforts went a long way in 'de-trolling' the forum.

As for the fact of these being unenforceable, True. But it is definitely nicer that there isn't one big brother monitoring everyone's behavior. Self-moderation and group-moderation work over a period of time and are much more effective than having a big brother breathing down people's necks all the time.

 

[alicetaylor]

But how can we help syrian refugees in Canada or UK.

 

[iamxty]

I agree to all of you. I actually wanted to become a moderator of this forum and delete those irrelevant or duplicate posts or threads, or move posts to the correct thread, etc.

I have gone through this process too, and we all know that it is really an exhausting process that drains all our resources.

Predicting the draw times or cut-off like the ROH thread is not bad as it gives hope to members, however, one thread for each topic is enough.

But as mentioned by other members, everyone is free to create new threads and we are in the mercy of the moderators or @admin to clean up this forum (to @Encore, yes, there is/are (an) admin/s on this forum as I’ve messaged them few times to delete unnenecessary posts or block users).

I have been an active member of this forum since last year and this has become my “home”, and what could be more meaningful and memorable meeting your better half here