38th Draw// July 13, 2016 // 482 points // 747 Invites

[Alexios07]

Yeah, That's true. But if you compare the end of this year, the percentage of backlog would be low compared to current one. That means they can draw more people and cut off would surely go down.

Backlogs are not constant. They change every second. More people are getting in, more rejected applications are being reapplied. Even if the backlogs are lowered, they are still not low enough to raise the ITAs back to 2500+ like other people keep saying.

 

[siriusnick]

Backlogs are not constant. They change every second. More people are getting in, more rejected applications are being reapplied. Even if the backlogs are lowered, they are still not low enough to raise the ITAs back to 2500+ like other people keep saying.

2500+ is just a wild dream that will never come true, ITA around 1000-1500 and scoring at 465-475 is fair expectation, if ever.

 

[Alexios07]

2500+ is just a wild dream that will never come true, ITA around 1000-1500 and scoring at 465-475 is fair expectation, if ever.

Yep, all I want is to have the ITAs back to 1500 per draw.

 

[Aal_]

I don't get how it will ever go down to 481 even. People are accumulating. And as long as there are more than 1500 at 481 it will never go down to that, unless the number > 482 becomes like a 100.

I am not sure how they planned to tackle this accumulation problem.

 

[siriusnick]

I don't get how it will ever go down to 481 even. People are accumulating. And as long as there are more than 1500 at 481 it will never go down to that, unless the number > 482 becomes like a 100.

I am not sure how they planned to tackle this accumulation problem.

Applicants are accumulating yes, but at different scores across the board. You are just assuming people are accumulating at 481 because the cutoff is 482, which is completely unreasonable btw, but in fact they can accumulating at 470 or 370, who knows. People joining in the pool everyday, people who already in the pool updating scores up and down everyday, there is no way to know for sure even with the 2016 mid year report.

 

[Aal_]

Applicants are accumulating yes, but at different scores across the board. You are just assuming people are accumulating at 481 because the cutoff is 482, which is completely unreasonable btw, but in fact they can accumulating at 470 or 370, who knows. People joining in the pool everyday, people who already in the pool updating scores up and down everyday, there is no way to know for sure even with the 2016 mid year report.

I think the 700 ita's are not chosen as a number. I think they are aiming at 1000. But if they go to 481 maybe it will jump to 1200 ita's which they are not ready for. This is my opinion and I'm fairly confident that people at 481 are more than 300. Again only my opinion.

 

[Alexios07]

Applicants are accumulating yes, but at different scores across the board. You are just assuming people are accumulating at 481 because the cutoff is 482, which is completely unreasonable btw, but in fact they can accumulating at 470 or 370, who knows. People joining in the pool everyday, people who already in the pool updating scores up and down everyday, there is no way to know for sure even with the 2016 mid year report.

Also keep in mind that they are going to give more points for Canadian degrees as well, so there will be a huge surge in crs for CEC applicants which in turn will push the average crs even higher.

I'm not saying being optimistic is a bad thing, but you need to prepare for the worst.

 

[siriusnick]

Also keep in mind that they are going to give more points for Canadian degrees as well, so there will be a huge surge in crs for CEC applicants which in turn will push the average crs even higher.

I'm not saying being optimistic is a bad thing, but you need to prepare for the worst.

Actually that is a good thing, I have been keep saying the current CRS scoring for education level is beyond stupid. It does not differentiate the world top ranked NA university degree from some third world country college. It does not even appreciate its own education and those who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to come here to study.

 

[Sluffy]

I dont understand how they find around 750 people with scores above 482 every 2 weeks..

There are many people in the world
Check here the end year report http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/reports/ee-year-end-2015.asp
If you check the stat of how many people with exact scores entered the pool after last draw on Dec 18, 2015 and day of report Jan.3^ 2016^ which is exactly 3 weeks, there are 897 people with scores 500+.

CIC definitely doesn't allow people with 481 or less to apply at the very moment - these people don't have canadian experience or don't know french or not PNP or LMIA. And it's also me btw ;D

Before the ITA drop there were about 1000 people with the score 470+ every two weeks.
Now there about 750 people with score 482+ every two weeks.

so there are 250 people with the score between 470 and 481 are entering every two weeks into EE.

We have seen 6 low ITAs draws already. ITt's about 1500 people with the score 470-481 in the pool at the moment. And in two weeks there will be +250, so 1750 people. And add those 750 coming with 482+ points.
2500 people with the score 470+ right on the eve of next draw. Or even more.
Very nice company I should say, but tough competition.

 

[carlucho34]

It'll happen my friend. Jesus! One point...I hear you.

Although my patience level is quite high, but sitting at 481 for 2 months and seeing draw points like 482 pass by, is testing the level! I am hopeful though, that there should be a draw for below 481 in the next couple of draws given the lower ITAs in the past couple of draws.

 

[johnjkjk]

Ahhh why the hell did liberals have to come in power. I made my profile after feb 24th at 464 points and it was considered a pretty damn good thing with conservatives were in power. These morons have done nothing for the students since they came in and they even found a way to ruin the express entry draws. This is the 11th effing draw that just passed by since i made my profile. Everyone is getting sick of their lack of action and all they do it talk. Seriously start focusing on something else aside from refugees and cutting off other quotas because of that or trying to legalize marijuana or Justin trudeu taking part in lgbt parades. These liberals are literally just a bunch of kids who just want media attention in front of the world by doing all these silly things and forgetting to focus on other main issues. These students that are working so hard to qualify under cec are trying to make an immediate economic impact to this country and Canada is willing to throw those hard working students out.
It would probably make a difference if all the frustrated students on pgwp could march down to Ottawa to give them a piece of their mind and demand them to take action instead of telling us to wait patiently till September or October or good knows till when. I think it will probably be a very likely scenario if they keep up these points for few more draws and force the students to compete with others with years and years of experience behind them.

The pre-EE backlog which is blocking the system predates Trudeau by a year. So far they have increased PNP quotas as these seem to result in more employable applicants that are better suited the needs of individual provinces so they seem to be acting responsibly. They don't owe us anything remember- we all want to get in and we just have to wait it out until the points fall again.

 

[nmeka]

The pre-EE backlog which is blocking the system predates Trudeau by a year. So far they have increased PNP quotas as these seem to result in more employable applicants that are better suited the needs of individual provinces so they seem to be acting responsibly. They don't owe us anything remember- we all want to get in and we just have to wait it out until the points fall again.

Completely agree here, PR is a privilege not a right. I do understand the pain because i personally gone through it but we have to wait until its our turn.

 

[princesohal2003]

I have no problem whatsoever with refugees it's great that they are doing that. But us students have not only dedicated our money but also our prime years to this country on that hopes that they will give us some value for our degrees. I don't think it's fair that we are expected to compete against those with years worth of experiences right after we graduate. Hopefully changes will come soon but hopefully they will do more in the coming days then talk more. 6 years of combined Canadian education (2 year diploma and a 4 year degree), almost 2 years worth of experience and a 9 band in ielts later, all I'm hearing is canada doesn't owe us students anything and it's beyond frustrating. Should've chosen australia a decade ago lol

Until the government does something it's just a waiting game i guess but congratulations to those who get a step closet to their dream today!

 

[johnjkjk]

I have no problem whatsoever with refugees it's great that they are doing that. But us students have not only dedicated our money but also our prime years to this country on that hopes that they will give us some value for our degrees.

FSW+FST+CEC target in 2015 was 71k and 2016 was 58.6, which is a 12.6k reduction. Half of this was due to an increase to Economic class Caregivers. So 6k decrease in 2016 is only a 8% decrease, which isn't so significant. Canada's generous immigration programme is said to be motivated by a growing elderly population and the need to provide a tax base to pay for elderly care. So it makes sense why they've increased Caregivers at the expense of skilled workers.

 

[Alexios07]

FSW+FST+CEC target in 2015 was 71k and 2016 was 58.6, which is a 12.6k reduction. Half of this was due to an increase to Economic class Caregivers. So 6k decrease in 2016 is only a 8% decrease, which isn't so significant. Canada's generous immigration programme is said to be motivated by a growing elderly population and the need to provide a tax base to pay for elderly care. So it makes sense why they've increased Caregivers at the expense of skilled workers.

Where do you get your stat? they significantly increased quotas for Refugee and family streams resulting in the loss of 26k ITAs for Economic stream.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/canada-immigration-plan-2016-less-quota-for-economic-stream-t402456.0.html

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1038699
http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=tp&crtr.page=1&nid=1038709&crtr.tp1D=930

Immigration Class		2016 Levels Plan Target		2015 Levels Plan Target
Economic Total		160,600		181,300
Family Total		80,000		68,000
Refugee Total		55,800		24,800
Humanitarian Total		3,600		5,100
Overall		300,000		279,200

In 2015, FSW and CEC had quotas of 51,000 and 23,000 respectively, but this year they merge the two programs together with a total quota of only 58,400 - this explains the lost of more than 26,000 nominations for Economic stream.

Detailed 2015 plan: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2014-11-06.asp
Detailed 2016 plan: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/notices/2016-03-08.asp