2017 Parents and Grandparents Sponsorship

[Buletruck]

Obviously, we disagree. If you want fair and equitable, those who have citizenship should be first in line. They have met all the criteria of residency, have chosen to commit to Canada and are more likely to maintain residence in Canada long term. With 250,000 people becoming citizens every year, the benefit of bringing parents should be a "perk" of becoming Canadian. It's entirely unfair that those 250,000 have to compete with PR's who may or may not become citizens long term. The countries duty is to serve it's citizens first and foremost.

-maintain cap at 10,000 applications from citizens only
-Reduce LICO requirements for those parents under 40, with incremental increases as the parents age increases age increases. No reason to penalize people who have 25 years+ to contribute to the economy.
-repayment of social services if it exceeds a specific amount (including healthcare)....say $10K/yr. If it exceeds that, your on the hook for the cost if you are over a certain age and not working.
-Increase age limit for dependant children who wish to accompany the parents, provided there is a commitment to become a citizen. To be reviewed after 5 years (first PR renewal).
-reduce citizenship for family to 3 years

 

[deerestlovelybear]

These are possible things to improve the systems:

* Increase Income requirements to the point that there are only 10K eligible applicants. They can increase income by LICO+100% for example, these people pay more tax and can afford to take care of their old parents so why not stopping them from bringing their parents while poor people who cannot afford has more incentive to work hard and pay tax. In fact many people earn only cash and their income is low but actually they are very rich, by increase income requirements, they will actually force these cash only business to start paying fairer tax, this is very true for Chinese and other Asian immigrants community.

* Prioritize parents who sponsors willing to deposit 50K that can be used toward healthcare cost for their parents instead of leaching on public fund.

Australia in fact has the "Contributory Parent Category" where those willing to pay more can get their parents in first. There is nothing wrong about that, if you are poor and cannot support your parents, you should not bring your parents in, those who can afford should be able to do so as they do not cause any harm to Canadian society.

 

[LaniLee]

FYI - there weren't only 14K last year. There were far more than that. That's just when CIC stopped accepting applications. The 14K was just the number of applications received within the first three days.

Regardless, that wouldn't be any near 95,000. How easy it is to type your name for free than compile forms and documents with a risk of losing $1040?

 

[LaniLee]

So from all the credible sources including MP, they will draw again for those not submitting applications in 90 days. however again income is not checked and it is from the same pool This is incredibly stupid

May we know that credible source? Then another 90 days if those 2nd batch didn't submit. Do you think 4 x 90 days will be enough to actually have 10000 applicants. Is this another trick???

 

[LaniLee]

just require SIN and income details and charge a fee for lottery and we will see the true number

I agree

 

[LaniLee]

Well the reason put out by CIC for having the lottery is that people with more resources have an unfair advantage.

Which is another liberal bs. Since there is an income requirement and fees (which I think is fair) anyway.

 

[nayr69sg]

Which is another liberal bs. Since there is an income requirement and fees (which I think is fair) anyway.

Exactly. People who have to resources to get their applications into the CIC office in a first come first served system are precisely the ones who are capable of taking care of their parents without relying on welfare.

Dumb ass Trudeau and liberals. Their priority now is getting pot legalized federally and pushing the actual work to the provinces.

 

[hs202]

I got the invitation. I want to sponsor mother and father. Do I need to submit 2 applications? The email says you can submit 2 applications if you are sponsoring parents and grandparents. Does not specify for parents only.

 

[LaniLee]

Exactly. People who have to resources to get their applications into the CIC office in a first come first served system are precisely the ones who are capable of taking care of their parents without relying on welfare.

Dumb ass Trudeau and liberals. Their priority now is getting pot legalized federally and pushing the actual work to the provinces.

Good point. I knew it, they did the change to actually reduce the intake, probably even lesser than 5000, without losing immigrant votes. Sneaky. I hope we all wake up (specially my fellow Pinoys).

That and take more refugees, which is probably the reason why they are trying to reduce the other streams of immigrants such as parents. Unfortunately, it looks like we need to endure another term.

 

[zarahsak]

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[deerestlovelybear]

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thos stated in this petition is not realistic and never be implemented. Focus on one thing of a time, attack the lottery systems that allow non eligible people to apply

 

[Rob_TO]

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Another very badly written petition that has zero chance of happening. Tons of inaccurate statements and demands for things that will not happen.

It states a "broken promise", yet for people that immigrated here there was never a promise by Canada to guarantee parents would be allowed to immigrate.

Creating a 2nd class of healthcare for PR parents - never going to happen in a million years. Canada's healthcare is based on foundation that ALL Canadians/PRs get equal access to healthcare.

Comparing to US - not applicable since US system does not provide even close to the level of tax-supported benefits to new parent PRs that Canada provides

Removing the caps for parents - again never going to happen since the burden to healthcare would be too great

Abolish the lottery - yet again never going to happen. IRCC does not want to see couriers lining up for days outside their office, charging thousands of dollars to applicants to maybe submit their app first

Only thing I agree with in this, is that parents sponsorship should perhaps only be open to Citizens and not PRs.

 

[Rob_TO]

I got the invitation. I want to sponsor mother and father. Do I need to submit 2 applications? The email says you can submit 2 applications if you are sponsoring parents and grandparents. Does not specify for parents only.

If they are married/common-law, 1 application with both included.

If they are divorced, 2 applications.

 

[deerestlovelybear]

Giving priviledge to only citizens to sponsor their parents will be againts the purpose of the PGP program which is to reunite immigrants with families. There are many reason people have not become citizens yet and it is not because they do not want to become citizens but because of bureaucratic systems in IRCC, for example random people are selected for seconadary review while other are not. Once someone selected for secondary review, there is no timeline to get an answer, you will be asked for tons of documents including some that is very hard and time consuming to get from oversea. People have been waiting over 10 years for citizenship while others get it in within 2.5 years after become PR last time before the rule changed to 4/6.

In fact the only thing different from immigrants is the amount of tax each one pay, so the higher the taxable income of the sponsor, the more priority he should have to sponsor their parents. There should be a point based systems such as if you earn LICO + 1000%, you are guranteed a spot to sposor compared to someone earning only LICO+30% and struggle to meet their end needs let alone taking care of their parents.

 

[DG2017]

It is hard to believe CIC is that much incompetent. I am sure they know and understand all these problems with current lottery system and it was all accounted for. CIC obviously did not plan to fully evaluate 10000 applications in 2017 as it would require lots of time and resources. It would take just minutes to reject most applications based on income and free up resources to clear the backlog or for other programs. However, increasing the cap from 5000 to 10000 looks so good on paper for public, but in reality...you know. I am looking forward to seeing the report with numbers of successful 2017 PGP applications and comparing it with previous years.