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2012 Quebec Inland Applicants

rossal-

Full Member
Jun 3, 2012
36
1
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
17-10-2012
Med's Request
March 2012
kidvicious1 said:
Added the last few items mentioned by Coucou and Chrischengwy, thanks Lyn for editing yours (was hard finding the right dates looking back through pages)


QUEBEC INLAND APPLICATIONS SENT IN 2012 CHART

Name App Received AOR In Process MICC & CSQ AIP Decision Made PR/LANDED

Coucou FEB 2 MAY 25 MAY 15 JULY 11 SEP 21
perkele FEB 15 MAY 31 MAY 30 JUN 20 SEP 25
mdna MAR 10 JUN 26 JUN 26 OCT 4 OCT 17 OCT 22 NOV 19
sommer MAR 28
chickadee May 16 SEP 18 SEP 26
kidvicious1 JUN 13 OCT 12 OCT 12 NOV-DEC DEC 14
TH78 JULY 19
Rossal JUNE 15 OCT 17 OCT16 NOV DEC 7
chrischengwy OCT 4 DEC 14


END OF 2011 INLAND APPLICATIONS

Name App Received AOR In Process MICC & CSQ AIP Decision Made PR/LANDED

lyn28 3 NOV 2011 FEB 4 JAN 30 MAY 5 AUG 31 OCT 13 DEC 6
Tow75 28 OCT 2011 JAN 19 APR 20
Vinlander 2 DEC 2011 FEB 21 MAY 8 SEP 10 OCT 14 NOV 27
Thanks kidvicious1 for doing this... I got the AIP two weeks ago, I was waiting also for the letter in the mail :-[ yes, I know, they told me with the email is enough, so now I can go where with my CSQ and AIP letter? I have also a problem with my OWP, I sent the forms along with my sponsorship application and when I called them last week said nothing shown about OWP and they will send a note to Vegreville, I called again this week and they told me that showed nothing about OWP, but a note was sent to them and could take up 3 months to get the OWP issued. I was really wanting for this, I want to be able to help my husband. I Really don't understand, we paid and send with the application just to have this with the AIP :( 3 months is the same if I apply again :-X Anyone here had a problem with their OWP? Thanks in advance for any help! This process is really stressfull and I really want to help in home and have something to do also. :(
 

kidvicious1

Star Member
Apr 24, 2012
135
3
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13/06/2012
AOR Received.
12/10/2012
Med's Request
14/12/2012 AIP
Med's Done....
12/04/2012 Re-done Jan 2012
Interview........
24/05/2013
LANDED..........
24/05/2013
Sorry Rossal haven't a clue about the OWP, I never applied / never will apply for it.

But with CSQ and AIP you can go and see about French lessons, health insurance etc which is at least 1 thing less to worry about. I still need to go and sort out the health insurance but Christmas is so busy...

Sent a letter to Vegreville asking about my application because they requested new meds for me, though mine are still valid... so unsure if they intended me to get new meds or just made a mistake. Who knows when I will hear back from them though.... The call centre isn't amazingly helpful, they don't really know what's going on more than we do.
 

kidvicious1

Star Member
Apr 24, 2012
135
3
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13/06/2012
AOR Received.
12/10/2012
Med's Request
14/12/2012 AIP
Med's Done....
12/04/2012 Re-done Jan 2012
Interview........
24/05/2013
LANDED..........
24/05/2013
Also good luck to Tow95 even though he has probably had the interview by now ... let us know :)

I haven't got near as much evidence as you had, so I hope they don't as for too much. It's so hard to get my name put on documents here when I am not a citizen, and my husband is only a student.
 

denis_mtrl

Star Member
Dec 8, 2012
93
0
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Hi,
Could you share please the steps of sending applications?
I am rather confused by what goes to where :(

IMM0008 Generic Application - should go first to Government ? But then why do they ask for CSQ number ?

Your help much appreciated!
 

vinlander

Hero Member
Dec 11, 2011
232
6
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-12-2011
Doc's Request.
21-02-2012
AOR Received.
21-02-2012
Med's Request
Done before request
Med's Done....
25-03-2012
VISA ISSUED...
10-10-2012 OWP + AIP
LANDED..........
27-11-2012
denis_mtrl said:
Hi,
Could you share please the steps of sending applications?
I am rather confused by what goes to where :(

IMM0008 Generic Application - should go first to Government ? But then why do they ask for CSQ number ?

Your help much appreciated!
Hello,
If you apply inland through spouse sponsorship here are the instructions.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/spouse.asp
Also it is highly suggested you also apply for an OWP at the same time (same enveloppe); easiest way to get an implied status and not having to bother with visa extensions during the process.
CIC Vegreville Alberta Canada is the Office processing Inland application.
For CSQ don't put anything if you don't have yet; after CIC receive your file and make sure you have filled everything, they will invite you to continue with MICC (Ministère de l'Immigration et des Communautées Culturelles). Once you receive it CIC will continue with the process.
 

denis_mtrl

Star Member
Dec 8, 2012
93
0
Category........
Visa Office......
Vienna
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Hi Vinlander,

Thanks!
I did read the guide in depth earlier, but the Quebec part is not well described.
It only mentioned as by the way in the document checklist etc.

OWP - Open Work Permit?
Wouldn't the Sponsorship Application alone be enough for implied status?

Would it be correct to say:

1. Send ALL documents to Vegreville
* IMM0008 - GenericApplication (leave CSQ empty)
* IMM1344 - Application to Sponsor
* IMM5285 - Sponsor Questionaire
* IMM5406 - Additional family
* IMM5669 - Background
* IMM1017 - Medical
+ various personal supporting docs

-> Wait for reply, then

2. Send Letter + Forms to MICC
3. Get reply from MICC -> forward to Vegreville


Are these the steps?
Thank you so much!!
 

vinlander

Hero Member
Dec 11, 2011
232
6
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-12-2011
Doc's Request.
21-02-2012
AOR Received.
21-02-2012
Med's Request
Done before request
Med's Done....
25-03-2012
VISA ISSUED...
10-10-2012 OWP + AIP
LANDED..........
27-11-2012
A PR demand sitting on a desk at CIC is not going to give you implied status. In order to keep an implied status you must also make an extension of stay demand in the same envelope. The most practical one is to ask for an OWP (Open Work Permit) as usually it will be delivered for 1 or 2 years giving you the right to look for a job and then you have peace of mind for the remaining process time. Since any OWP demand before AIP would be rejected, put a post or note on it that it be processed once AIP is granted. That OWP will be delivered to you once you get AIP (1st stage) and then you have an official temporary resident status until you you get PR.
Regarding the steps it seems pretty much it but you won't need to forward the CSQ to CIC, that will be done automatically by MICC.
 

tow75

Star Member
Jan 30, 2012
101
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2011
AOR Received.
19-01-2012
File Transfer...
29-08-2012
Interview........
12-17-2012
kidvicious1 said:
Also good luck to Tow95 even though he has probably had the interview by now ... let us know :)

I haven't got near as much evidence as you had, so I hope they don't as for too much. It's so hard to get my name put on documents here when I am not a citizen, and my husband is only a student.
It went not so good. The interview itself was absolutely exhausting, and the IO went out of her way to give us a hard time. At the end we felt like it went well and the IO told us that she had a "good feeling" and that it "went well" she also told us we were a young couple but looked "mature" made small talk, etc etc. Then she changed her mind later that day.

She didn't refuse right away but implied she was going to. At the interview she didn't want any of the proof we brought, although she looked through our 150 photos in a big album. On the phone the next day she wanted everything, so we sent it all in. She told us we had until the end of Tuesday the 18th to prove that my husband is not in a bad faith marriage with me. we sent in everything we had, including all our cards (which we'll probably never get back :'().

If she refuses it will most likely be for these reasons:
-because my husband did badly in university 4 years ago and switched programs- then had to drop out of that program, she says his intentions are not good faith.
-He found out that he was colourblind in 2009, but the IO called his optometrist, who told her that my husband had his first vision test in 2008- she told my husband he was lying
-me and my husband met 2 years after he entered the country. We have more proof than anyone could want. She gave us about 4 hours to prove my husband's "intentions"- not fair.
-The IO was fixated on the culture of my husband's home country as being "male dominated"- she continually brought this up in relation to his studies, his attitude towards my job and independence, etc- I even explained to her that my husband's culture is NOT male dominated at all...but she seems to have a perception in her head that we can't disprove.

She gave us our office number, and we were so desperate we asked my landlord and neighbours to call in to talk to her...she was EXTREMEELY rude to one of our neighbours and hung up on him.

There were no inconsistencies between me and my husband when we were interviewed seperately (except for one misunderstanding - I thought one of his university programs was an intership when really it was a separate program. But, this was all finished months before we met and we both explained why the misunderstanding occurred. We answered everything exactly the same, even how we both want a family dog before having kids, and the fact that my husband's wedding ring is a bit too tight while mine is too big.

If she refuses we have 30 days to sell everything we own and get out of the country. we think it's likely that she will because we can't prove "intentions" from 4 years ago. However, from what I've heard we have a good chance of getting the IO's decision overturned by the Federal Court, because of procedural unfairness. We're looking into getting a lawyer in Toronto because that's where all the good ones are apparently. We can leave the country and be represented through the lawyer if we decide to go down that road. Based on what we've been through I can offer this advice about interviews:

-If you know there are things about your relationship that look suspicous, be prepared to answer them. But, be VERY AFRAID because what happens in the interview is essentially unpredictable. She can be as nice or rude as she wants. They don't just ask question, they continually imply things, and make statements like "this bothers me" and "this doesn't seem right to me"- They will find a topic to challenge you on, and keep coming back to it repeatedly.
-They will insinuate things to see how you react. As the sponsor, it was insinuated that my husband has managed to fake a 2 + year relationship with me for status, and the reason my husband's parents are nice to me is because they want status too.
-The IO insinuated basically the same to my husband.
-Don't use a consultant. We were told that the interview would be 15 minutes long, and my husband would get PR right there. Luckily we didn't take the advice given and prepared our answers to the complicated parts of our marriage extensively- but, neither of us were prepared to talk about my husband's studies from 4 years back, and why my husband's dad renewed his visa when he did.
-If you have work or any other committment after the interview, just take the day off. If your interview is anything like mine it's like having your teeth pulled out for 4 hours :-X I went into work the next day and had to leave after talking to the IO on the phone because I had a nervous breakdown. I took another day off on Thursday. This past week has been a nightmare.

We're visiting my family now so we'll try to have a good time before having to do all the other stuff.

Happy Holidays everyone!!!
 

kidvicious1

Star Member
Apr 24, 2012
135
3
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13/06/2012
AOR Received.
12/10/2012
Med's Request
14/12/2012 AIP
Med's Done....
12/04/2012 Re-done Jan 2012
Interview........
24/05/2013
LANDED..........
24/05/2013
Jesus Christ, that's so scary Tow....I hope the best for you......
Can I ask what country your spouse is from?
Hope your Christmas is a good one >.<
 

tow75

Star Member
Jan 30, 2012
101
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2011
AOR Received.
19-01-2012
File Transfer...
29-08-2012
Interview........
12-17-2012
My husband is Moroccan, which is probably most of the reason why we're going through this right now. There's lots of marriage shams over there, and I've heard of people actually in a legit relationship getting refused by the Rabat office (outland) but the same probably applies to inland. I told the IO that my husband would have to be a sociopath to fake our marriage, and fake it with everyone who wrote us a letter to take to the interview. The IO was heavily insinuating that everyone from a developing country will do anything possible to get PR/citizenship, which is an extremely arrogant view I think. On Friday we faxed in a letter asking for a 30 day extension to prove my husband's financial status in Morocco (basically a millionaire) and that of his parents, to prove that there's no incentive for him to try so hard for PR for economic/financial reasons. The Io conveniently went on vacation on the same day :(

I think how bad/good your interview goes (if you're going to have one) really depends on where you both are from. I heard from someone else that they also had a small wedding with no family (like we did) but the person being sponsored is not from a developing country...so that's fine.

About the proofs and stuff, it was also hard to get his name on anything except our lease and our hydro bill, I think as long as you have those important things it should be fine. All the extra stuff I brought in (e.g. health and life insurance listing my husband as beneficiary, furniture financing etc) actually worked AGAINST us, and convinced the IO that my husband is only with me for that.

We can only do the best we can and I'm really sorry if I discouraged you :( I hope not all the IOs in Montreal CIC are like that.

I'm xmas is a good one so far...we'll drink lots of eggnog to forget our sorrows ;) ;)
 

tow75

Star Member
Jan 30, 2012
101
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2011
AOR Received.
19-01-2012
File Transfer...
29-08-2012
Interview........
12-17-2012
*Our xmas

Merry Christmas to you as well!!
 

kidvicious1

Star Member
Apr 24, 2012
135
3
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13/06/2012
AOR Received.
12/10/2012
Med's Request
14/12/2012 AIP
Med's Done....
12/04/2012 Re-done Jan 2012
Interview........
24/05/2013
LANDED..........
24/05/2013
I do not know much about Morocco, but sounds very ignorant of the IO to me. :/
I think you said you were a 'young couple' in a previous post? What age category is that and did she say much or anything about it?
100% wishing you get that extension and a decent review from someone else if possible!
 

tow75

Star Member
Jan 30, 2012
101
2
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2011
AOR Received.
19-01-2012
File Transfer...
29-08-2012
Interview........
12-17-2012
We're both 22. She didn't really mention it much except at the end...I don't know why she had to make that comment (you're a young couple but you seem very mature) it made us so hopeful...and she told us to make sure that we live together for the rest of the procedure...it's an emotional rollercoaster, and I don't know how someone can change their mind so quickly.

Thanks!! I hope we get the extension as well, but I feel like she's already made a decision and we'll get the letter tomorrow :( I'm dreading it because we're still with my family. The only way for us to get a different person reviewing it is if we get the IO's decision overturned in Federal Court...apparently after that it's pretty likely to get approved because CIC doesn't like to lose.

Anyways, we did our best and that's all we can do. Everything happens for a reason I guess, no matter how hard this is for me.
 

lyn28

Star Member
Aug 2, 2012
152
4
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-11-2011
AOR Received.
04-02-2012
Med's Request
31-08-2012
Med's Done....
31-08-2012/Oct 13, 2012 on ecas
Interview........
06-12-2012
LANDED..........
06-12-2012
Happy New Year everyone! May all our heart's desire be fulfilled this coming year. Let's welcome 2013 with full of hopes and dreams! Godbless you all!
 

kidvicious1

Star Member
Apr 24, 2012
135
3
Montreal
Category........
Visa Office......
Vegreville, AB
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
13/06/2012
AOR Received.
12/10/2012
Med's Request
14/12/2012 AIP
Med's Done....
12/04/2012 Re-done Jan 2012
Interview........
24/05/2013
LANDED..........
24/05/2013
Happy New Year. This is the year we (hopefully) get to be official perm residents!


Has anyone ever sent the CIC a letter by the way? How long do they usually take to respond? Sent them a question about my medicals because the call centre told me to write to them.