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Parents visa refused 2nd time in 2 years

ozaN

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Hey everyone,

Unfortunately my parents got second refusal in two years. Please advise.

We came Canada as PR in summer 2019 with my spouse and our kid.

In January 2020 my parents applied trv, intend to stay was 3 weeks and visiting us.

Refusal based on family ties in Canada and home country, purpose of travel, travel history.

Uploaded(all documents were translated to English): invitation letter, pr cards, driver’s licenses, my employment letter and my spouse’s volunteering letters from public library and school. Parents retirement papers, proof of funds worth $50k, proof of family (my birth certificate), travel itinerary, flight ticket reservation, property and vehicle papers on their name, travel history proof old passports(mother has uk travel in 2011, both have Germany and Netherlands travel in 2017)

On feb.14 2022 applied for a second time. Eligibility changed to reviewing on feb 22 and received refusal on feb 23. Seems like too quick to decide. Seems like made an empty application.

Refusal based on, length of stay, personal assets and financial status, again family ties in Canada and home country, again purpose of travel, again travel history.

Please see below for details and uploaded documents if it was really a garbage application.
Intend to stay was 4 months( at the end of school season) and taking care of grandkid since we both started working full time and couldnt find a spot for childcare outside of school hours. We both started working, one of us in federal government, we would cover their travel.

Uploaded(all document translated to English): Invitation letter, proof of employments with letters and paystub, proof of funds declared $20K in the application but showed more than $30K in canadian account statements and notice of tax assessment for 2020, proof of child care applications, proof of family (birth cert. of mine), parents financial assets worth $60K and two property papers and a vehicle registration and retirement incomes uploaded and explained as backup funds and ties to home country. Explained couldn’t improve travel history (which already includes UK and EU travels) based on covid restrictions, purpose of travel was completely changed based on employment and child care documentation.

Folks we uploaded lots of documents, even if you start reading and try to match information with each other, it should take more than day. I don’t understand how fast they refused it.

As you all know it’s hard for us to go and see our families in our countries. We all work hard to settle here in Canada, keep changing jobs to become better and therefore not enough vacation days and when you consider you have a child and school times, you can only go during summer or winter brakes when everybody also want to go. Most of the time you don’t even have the seniority to take those days off and it’s impossible for you to go and spend time with your family. That’s why you want to see them and it’s not possible. Even when you need their help.

I am not inviting my cousin or even my brother with a young age that would let them think of a possibility to stay here illegally. I’m inviting my parents with a legal status in Canada and while serving Canadian economy, but unfortunately no hope for us to see our parents.

I don’t know how logical to reapply. Only option could be splitting just for one parent at a time. Maybe Ties to country will be covered but what about the rest….?
 
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scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Hey everyone,

Unfortunately my parents got second refusal in two years. Please advise.

We came Canada as PR in summer 2019 with my spouse and our kid.

In January 2020 my parents applied trv, intend to stay was 3 weeks and visiting us.

Refusal based on family ties in Canada and home country, purpose of travel, travel history.

Uploaded(all documents were translated to English): invitation letter, pr cards, driver’s licenses, my employment letter and my spouse’s volunteering letters from public library and school. Parents retirement papers, proof of funds worth $50k, proof of family (my birth certificate), travel itinerary, flight ticket reservation, property and vehicle papers on their name, travel history proof old passports(mother has uk travel in 2011, both have Germany and Netherlands travel in 2017)

On feb.14 2022 applied for a second time. Eligibility changed to reviewing on feb 22 and received refusal on feb 23. Seems like too quick to decide. Seems like made an empty application.

Refusal based on, length of stay, personal assets and financial status, again family ties in Canada and home country, again purpose of travel, again travel history.

Please see below for details and uploaded documents if it was really a garbage application.
Intend to stay was 4 months( at the end of school season) and taking care of grandkid since we both started working full time and couldnt find a spot for childcare outside of school hours. We both started working, one of us in federal government, we would cover their travel.

Uploaded(all document translated to English): Invitation letter, proof of employments with letters and paystub, proof of funds declared $20K in the application but showed more than $30K in canadian account statements and notice of tax assessment for 2020, proof of child care applications, proof of family (birth cert. of mine), parents financial assets worth $60K and two property papers and a vehicle registration and retirement incomes uploaded and explained as backup funds and ties to home country. Explained couldn’t improve travel history (which already includes UK and EU travels) based on covid restrictions, purpose of travel was completely changed based on employment and child care documentation.

Folks we uploaded lots of documents, even if you start reading and try to match information with each other, it should take more than day. I don’t understand how fast they refused it.

As you all know it’s hard for us to go and see our families in our countries. We all work hard to settle here in Canada, keep changing jobs to become better and therefore not enough vacation days and when you consider you have a child and school times, you can only go during summer or winter brakes when everybody also want to go. Most of the time you don’t even have the seniority to take those days off and it’s impossible for you to go and spend time with your family. That’s why you want to see them and it’s not possible. Even when you need their help.

I am not inviting my cousin or even my brother with a young age that would let them think of a possibility to stay here illegally. I’m inviting my parents with a legal status in Canada and while serving Canadian economy, but unfortunately no hope for us to see our parents.

I don’t know how logical to reapply. Only option could be splitting just for one parent at a time. Maybe Ties to country will be covered but what the rest….?
Their profiles seem pretty strong.

Are they living in their home country or somewhere else where they have temporary / worker status?
 

ozaN

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Their profiles seem pretty strong.

Are they living in their home country or somewhere else where they have temporary / worker status?
Nope they are retired since 2004 and living in their home country of citizenship. Went to visit my brother while he was in his university studies in Netherlands and returned to their country (same situation like now)
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
95,840
22,108
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Nope they are retired since 2004 and living in their home country of citizenship. Went to visit my brother while he was in his university studies in Netherlands and returned to their country (same situation like now)
Did you order GCMS notes for either refusals? Probably a good idea to do that for the recent one.
 
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Streetmafia

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if you are a PR suggest you to apply super visa as your parents are retired !! this happened to my gf too . her parents visitor visa was rejected but supervisa was approved .
 

ozaN

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Did you order GCMS notes for either refusals? Probably a good idea to do that for the recent one.
First GCMS notes were like this:

“I have reviewed the application. Given family ties or economic motives to remain in Canada, the applicant's
incentives to remain in Canada may outweigh their ties to their home country. The applicant's purpose of visit
appears vague and poorly documented.
I believe PA is an intending
immigrant The applicant's prior travel history is insufficient to count as a positive factor in my assessment.
Weighing the factors in this application. I am not satisfied that the applicant will depart Canada at the end of the
period authorized for their stay. For the reasons above, I have refused this application.”

I was thinking our second application was much more stronger. Purpose of travel had a real reason with evidence. Couldn’t improve travel history due to Covid. But I don’t know how many more countries they should visit.

I’m thinking for applying GCMS for this one but if you check the first one it’s almost the same with letter nothing more other than vague and poorly documented purpose of visit.

I don’t understand while people are waiting this much for a reply, how come they refused this application so quickly?
 

ozaN

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if you are a PR suggest you to apply super visa as your parents are retired !! this happened to my gf too . her parents visitor visa was rejected but supervisa was approved .
Can you elaborate a bit? Did they apply right after refusal?
 

Streetmafia

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Can you elaborate a bit? Did they apply right after refusal?
yah right after visitor visa rejection ,she applied for super visa . esp for retired parents is better to go for super visa with an invitation letter that shows some emotional as well as physical ties to home country . this is purely based on my experience , cannot guarantee it !!
 
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swordenium

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Passport Req..
03-04-2019
VISA ISSUED...
28-04-2019
LANDED..........
24-09-2019
Better go with Super Visa for your parents. Did the same for my mom and she got hers approved first try. She did not show any income docs. or properties. I just showed my NOA, payslips, employment letter and bank balance.
 
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KaZee20

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Better go with Super Visa for your parents. Did the same for my mom and she got hers approved first try. She did not show any income docs. or properties. I just showed my NOA, payslips, employment letter and bank balance.
When did you apply and how long did the process take before you got a reply please and thank you.
 

Punjab_rocks

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4 month of stay is very long and suspicious. To invite your parents to take care of your Children most of the time ending up in refusal because in Canada childcare is considered as a job. I am not an expert but that's what I heard.
 
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canuck78

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Where are your parents from? Saying that they will be taking care of your children because you haven’t been able to find childcare which actually means they will be working in Canada. They should never say that they will take care of children, help with cleaning and cooking, etc.
 

ozaN

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@Punjab_rocks @canuck78 Most off the Canadians sometimes leave their children to grandparents this is a fact. Does everybody pay for it? No. I wanted to explain our current situation. Both parents are working and there’s no one who can cover before and after school hours, I think it’s our right to ask our parents who are available to do that. In the first attempt it wasn’t child care and refused. At that time people were telling me they had new babies they invited their parents to help etc. Still I know 3 people got visas like this at the moment.
 

swordenium

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Category........
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Singapore
NOC Code......
2173
Passport Req..
03-04-2019
VISA ISSUED...
28-04-2019
LANDED..........
24-09-2019
When did you apply and how long did the process take before you got a reply please and thank you.
October 2021, got decision in November 2021.
 

canuck78

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@Punjab_rocks @canuck78 Most off the Canadians sometimes leave their children to grandparents this is a fact. Does everybody pay for it? No. I wanted to explain our current situation. Both parents are working and there’s no one who can cover before and after school hours, I think it’s our right to ask our parents who are available to do that. In the first attempt it wasn’t child care and refused. At that time people were telling me they had new babies they invited their parents to help etc. Still I know 3 people got visas like this at the moment.
If parents are PRs or citizens they can care for children but visiting grandparents are caring for children versus yo7 paying for childcare which is why it is considered illegal work. Grandparents have been refused visas if they say they are coming to cook, clean and provide childcare. If they say they are coming to provide emotional support and enjoy the new baby that isn’t an issue. Would order GCMS notes if you want to see why you were refused. You made it very clear that your parents were taking the place of after school paid childcare which essentially indicated that they would be working illegally.
 
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