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MAY 2021 *Outland* Spousal Sponsorship

Mayatriz

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When you received the Pre Arrival Letter, it usually means you already completed the eligibility review. You're on the last step already, which usually takes the longest.

If you have no security/criminal/offenses issues, all you can do is wait for the completion of the security check. Make sure you submitted your updated NBI clearance, so you won't have a problem.
What is NBI.... If is Police clearance, I have submitted for all the countries I lived...
 

MBTS

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What is NBI.... If is Police clearance, I have submitted for all the countries I lived...
I was assuming you lived in Philippines, once in your life, the reason Manila VFS is processing your application. Yes, NBI clearance is the Police clearance for PH.

If that's the case, then all you can do right now is wait for some good news anytime soon.
 

nik_on

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I was assuming you lived in Philippines, once in your life, the reason Manila VFS is processing your application. Yes, NBI clearance is the Police clearance for PH.

If that's the case, then all you can do right now is wait for some good news anytime soon.
I see in your timeline, IRCC requested for an additional PCC later in the month of October. Do you know why they asked for the second one, assuming you have already submitted one with the initial application package during earlier this year.
I know PCC has a validity date. Not sure if that's 6 months or a year (like medicals). It's not mentioned anywhere in the portal.
 

MBTS

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I see in your timeline, IRCC requested for an additional PCC later in the month of October. Do you know why they asked for the second one, assuming you have already submitted one with the initial application package during earlier this year.
I know PCC has a validity date. Not sure if that's 6 months or a year (like medicals). It's not mentioned anywhere in the portal.
Actually it was not about the expiration. My wife lived in 2 countries, and we submitted, only for the one she recently lived for more than 10 years now.

Now in October, procedurally, they required the other Police certificate as well, to maybe clear the other years that my wife has lived as the first country of residence.
 
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nik_on

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I see, thank you for clarifying.
Similar thing happened with our case as well. The IRCC form instructed us to submit PCC only for current country and any other country, where she stayed during last 12 months. So, we submitted only one PCC (since both countries are India, as per the instruction). Later, after we received AOR in June, IRCC requested in the month of July PCC from all other countries where she stayed for more than 6 months after she was 18 years old.

Just hoping this whole application-approval ordeal to be over.
 
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MBTS

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I see, thank you for clarifying.
Similar thing happened with our case as well. The IRCC form instructed us to submit PCC only for current country and any other country, where she stayed during last 12 months. So, we submitted only one PCC (since both countries are India, as per the instruction). Later, after we received AOR in June, IRCC requested in the month of July PCC from all other countries where she stayed for more than 6 months after she was 18 years old.

Just hoping this whole application-approval ordeal to be over.
That is correct.

For better clarification, in the Checklist, it says under Police Certificate, in 2 check boxes,

1. The country where you (or they) CURRENTLY live, if you have lived there for six months or more; and

2. The country where you (or they) have lived most of your (their) life SINCE the age of 18.

It was confusing when both would mean the same country. Say you were born in India, then left by the age of 18, to live in USA for say 12 more years (till present). With that, both check boxes would pertain to the USA, and not India as your first country of residence, before the age of 18.

But again, just to be sure and to avoid any delays, its best you submit for all countries you have lived since birth. This leaves no question on your background or security history.
 
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nik_on

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That is correct.

For better clarification, in the Checklist, it says under Police Certificate, in 2 check boxes,

1. The country where you (or they) CURRENTLY live, if you have lived there for six months or more; and

2. The country where you (or they) have lived most of your (their) life SINCE the age of 18.

It was confusing when both would mean the same country. Say you were born in India, then left by the age of 18, to live in USA for say 12 more years (till present). With that, both check boxes would pertain to the USA, and not India as your first country of residence, before the age of 18.

But again, just to be sure and to avoid any delays, its best you submit for all countries you have lived since birth. This leaves no question on your background or security history.
Exactly that's what happened for us, answer to both the questions was India, however my wife has stayed between 3-4 years in Australia and the USA since the age of 18.
I learnt the PCC rule the hard way and I believe that might have delayed my application in the queue.

As I said, we cannot wait for this ordeal to end. I just wish IRCC had some form of dual intent temporary VISA for spousal/family sponsorship.
That could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now.
 

MBTS

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Exactly that's what happened for us, answer to both the questions was India, however my wife has stayed between 3-4 years in Australia and the USA since the age of 18.
I learnt the PCC rule the hard way and I believe that might have delayed my application in the queue.

As I said, we cannot wait for this ordeal to end. I just wish IRCC had some form of dual intent temporary VISA for spousal/family sponsorship.
That could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now.
I understand, but it is part of the process though. Looking at your timeline, you are at the last stage (security check) as well, having your pre-arrival already. So that PCC is most probably the last one that is pending for their review. Just keep the faith, you'll get there.
 
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MBTS

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Exactly that's what happened for us, answer to both the questions was India, however my wife has stayed between 3-4 years in Australia and the USA since the age of 18.
I learnt the PCC rule the hard way and I believe that might have delayed my application in the queue.

As I said, we cannot wait for this ordeal to end. I just wish IRCC had some form of dual intent temporary VISA for spousal/family sponsorship.
That could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now.
I believe they have a dual intent temporary visa, in which you can apply as tourist/visitor, while you have a pending PR application. I think that works for family members. This is the same case for Inland applications, where their dependents landed initially as visitors/student/etc., then while inland, applied for PR. Although they landed on temporary visas first, then applied inland.
 

armoured

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As I said, we cannot wait for this ordeal to end. I just wish IRCC had some form of dual intent temporary VISA for spousal/family sponsorship.
That could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now.
Have you applied for a trv?

There's no separate TRV called 'dual intent.'

If you'd applied before and been refused, no harm in applying again - esp as your file has gone further and now to pre-arrival. It may or may not go faster than your file, but perhaps worth trying.
 

nik_on

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Yes, IRCC doesn't have a dual-intent separate VISA but TRV is supposed to have a dual intent purpose after stage-1 (sponsorship approval) is complete (with the caveat being, it depends on officer's discretion of the situation, after looking at your PA's family tie in home country, previous history and all). However, initially, India TRV ETA was 180 days! So, I stayed away.
Now, I see TRV ETA from India has changed to 40 days. However, I avoided applying for one because I didn't want to complicate the PR application at this stage and rather wait for couple of months and see what's the progress there.
 

armoured

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Yes, IRCC doesn't have a dual-intent separate VISA but TRV is supposed to have a dual intent purpose after stage-1 (sponsorship approval) is complete (with the caveat being, it depends on officer's discretion of the situation, after looking at your PA's family tie in home country, previous history and all). However, initially, India TRV ETA was 180 days! So, I stayed away.
Now, I see TRV ETA from India has changed to 40 days. However, I avoided applying for one because I didn't want to complicate the PR application at this stage and rather wait for couple of months and see what's the progress there.
Once again proving - 100 percent of those who do not apply do not receive a trv.
 

MBTS

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Once again proving - 100 percent of those who do not apply do not receive a trv.
Agreed. There's no harm in trying, but it's all up to you if you want to complicate things or just work with the process. I know we are all anxious about what's going on in the background and all, but all we can really do is be patient and trust the system. There are other applications that took longer to process, due to different other reasons, and seeing our applications pushing through, all still within the 12-month processing time is already a blessing in itself. So just keep the faith and hold tight. It will come.
 
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armoured

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Agreed. There's no harm in trying
Yes. I'm completely surprised though by someone bemoaning the lack of a dual-intent TRV, talking about the ordeal of the whole process, and saying a dual-intent TRV "could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now" - and that person not having even applied for a TRV for spouse.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot about the process that's problematic, many do get refused TRVs, and lots of applicants here end up stuck with long waits without progress - notably those waiting on interviews - but complaining about TRVs and not having even applied is a bit rich.
 

nik_on

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Yes. I'm completely surprised though by someone bemoaning the lack of a dual-intent TRV, talking about the ordeal of the whole process, and saying a dual-intent TRV "could have solved most of the problems spousal sponsorship is facing right now" - and that person not having even applied for a TRV for spouse.

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot about the process that's problematic, many do get refused TRVs, and lots of applicants here end up stuck with long waits without progress - notably those waiting on interviews - but complaining about TRVs and not having even applied is a bit rich.
Lol, I was not bemoaning. I was just saying. Chill and don't take it personally!!
We can all be judgemental and all, but please remember that you don't know me personally.