H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

[bella12]

Good Morning to everybody in the forum,

Just a quick update......

I receive an email from the Vancouver office few min ago. I finally received my AOR.. It took roughly a month since the date of submission. I will be waiting for the next phase " IN PROCESS"

 

[bella12]

Hey guys !
I don't know why the great majority of new members of the forum, refuse all the time to give ideas to others or to say generally what their arguments are, proofs, sources, lawyers etc..., at least others can have more knowledge for strengthen their files.
It's really weird! I understand very well that it can be embarrassing to share some things publicly, but we can discuss by private messages. the problem, they can't even say they aren't comfortable talking about it, they completely ignore people ! I would like to say for these persons, that you will not receive refusals if you share your knowledge with others !

anyway, the previous members were more helpful in my opinion ! @SweetQueen @bella12 @Ayanna, @Katayoon, @Me2020, @Akash2019, @Sweet child, @Growing pains, @Saraaaa, @RaiSaab108, @Ramone1, @Latin40 @AAK2018 @GrecchiJu and of course many others...... thank you very much for your precious advices. with your ideas and your orientations, many many people like me, was able to prepare H&C applications.

I couldn't agree more with your post.

Talking from personal experience, I have gained knowledge from this forum MORE THAN all the lawyers( 3+ lawyers combined) I use previously before I finally decided to do my application myself. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that The amount of knowledge I have gained in this forum has been working in my favour. I am not sugar-coating anything. I am telling as it is.

Let me share with you a few experiences...

1) A lawyer charge me some money which she said she will need to file a case with the court so that IRCC was released a copy of a refusal letter. Her explanation did not make sense to me at all. She filled it in March 2021. Till now, we have not received a copy at all. You don't need to be a fool to know that 1+ 1 is NOT equal to 3. but the lawyer insists it is "3". I came to this forum for advice on how I can do it myself. @Ayanna explain everything to me. I did it myself. you will not believe I receive the refusal letter directly from IRCC in less than 24hrs. I contacted my lawyer and she was shocked how I got the letter. It was at this stage I begin to notice signs of how incompetent this lawyer is. Her accountant sent me an email with an invoice for me to start making payment so that the lawyer can start my application. In the email, it contains an agreement that clearly states money is NOT refundable.. There are so many red flags that I don't have the time to begin to mention. But this forum helps me see pass the deception of the lawyer.

Less I forget, you would not believe that the lawyer claim she did JD for me in March..Am like really? How is it possible she did with WITHOUT having a copy of a refusal letter to know why I am refused? Lastly, how was it possible she did it without her telling me and asking for payment before she start working? Most people will agree with me in this forum that LAWYER WILL NEVER WORK ON A CLIENT APPLICATION IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM PAYMENT AGREED., I did not discuss anything about JD with her. H&C application is the ONLY service I discuss and wanted from her......

2) There was another lawyer that I contacted. The advice she gave me is enough to make any stupid person go ahead to sell their kidney to raise money for the work that she is not sure will work. She told me I have to put in 3 different applications. This was what makes her work ridiculously expensive. Regarding this lawyer, the money was not really the issue for me, but rather there is a lot of red flags I notice about some things she said. One thing I always notice with some lawyers are they are secretive about giving their client detailed information on what they intend to do or how they plan to do it. More or less like keeping clients in the dark. All they just want you to know is that they have completed and submitted your application. Next, they want their money. This forum helped me avoid falling for this scam....

3) I had a consultation with a 3rd lawyer.I can't give detailed information about what he said because I feel ashamed he said could be such a thing. But what I notice with this lawyer is that he want to do a program for me that he knows that I do NOT qualify for based on my circumstance but recommend it because he feels it is faster. He told me to forget h&c because it takes too long. When I ask him how much he will charge, He said 10,000 dollars( excluding tax)....Basically, he was looking for a CASH-COW he can make quick money from... Also, his advice did not make sense to me. I came to this group once again for advice to seek their opinion.

The experience above is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have enough time to mention all.........One last thing, always check the work and written argument your lawyer has done for you. Some lawyers are fund of just writing something "generic" as an argument which gives an illusion that they have done their work. Just because a lawyer submitted 1000+ pages of document for your application does not mean he/she wrote something of "quality ". Always remember that quality is better than quantity


Here is what I will say which is why I agreed with @wello711. This forum is about helping each other. The only way that can happen is by sharing each other's experiences in this group... That is how each and every one of us knows exactly the best approach in know-how to tackle your immigration problem...There is someone with the name @tony445 in this forum who was also able to obtain a copy of his refusal letter from IRCC from the advice I gave him on how he can obtain his refusal letter from IRCC without using a lawyer...Also, @Katayoon is well experienced since she too has gone through h&c 3 times.

My point here is, if you are not sure of what to do, share your experience with others. that is the way you can do what to do and other will be able to learn from the experience.

I wish everybody the best in this forum and a positive decision. So mote be!

 

[tony4454]

I couldn't agree more with your post.

Talking from personal experience, I have gained knowledge from this forum MORE THAN all the lawyers( 3+ lawyers combined) I use previously before I finally decided to do my application myself. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that The amount of knowledge I have gained in this forum has been working in my favour. I am not sugar-coating anything. I am telling as it is.

Let me share with you a few experiences...

1) A lawyer charge me some money which she said she will need to file a case with the court so that IRCC was released a copy of a refusal letter. Her explanation did not make sense to me at all. She filled it in March 2021. Till now, we have not received a copy at all. You don't need to be a fool to know that 1+ 1 is NOT equal to 3. but the lawyer insists it is 3. I came to this forum for advice on how I can do it myself. @Ayanna explain everything to me. I did it myself. you will not believe I receive the refusal letter directly from IRCC in less than 24hrs. I contacted my lawyer and she was shocked how I got the letter. It was at this stage I begin to notice signs of how incompetent this lawyer is. Her account sent me an email so that I can be sent payment so that the lawyer can start my application. In the email, it contains agreement that clearly state money is NOT refundable.. There are so many red flags that I don't have the time to begin to mention. But this forum helps me see pass the deception of the lawyer.

Less I forget, you would not believe that the lawyer claim she did JD for me in March..Am like really? How is it possible she did with having a copy of a refusal letter ?Lastly, how was it possible she did it without her telling me and asking for payment before she start working? Most people will agree with me in this forum that LAWYER WILL NEVER WORK ON A CLIENT APPLICATION IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM PAYMENT AGREED., I did not discuss anything about JD with her. H&C application is the ONLY service I want from her......

2) There was another lawyer that I contacted. The advice she gave me is enough to make any stupid person go-ahead to sell their kidney for work that she is not sure will work. She told me I have to put in 3 different applications. This was what makes his work ridiculously expensive. Regarding this lawyer, the money was not really the issue for me, but rather there is a lot of red flags I notice about some things she said. One thing I always notice with some lawyers are they are secretive about giving their client detailed information on what they intend to do or how they plan to do it. More or less like keeping clients in the dark. Al they just want you to know is that they have completed and submitted your application. Next, they want their money. This forum helped me avoid falling for this scam....

3) I had a consultation with 3rd lawyer.I can't give detailed information about what he said because I feel ashamed he could be such a thing. But what I notice with this lawyer is that he want to do a program for me that he knows that I do NOT qualify for because he feels it is faster. He told me to forget h&c because it takes too long. When I ask him how much he will charge, He said 10,000 dollars( excluding tax)....Basically, he was looking for a CASH-COW he can make quick money from... Also, his advice did not make sense to me. I cam to this group once again for advice to seek their opinion.

The experience above is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have enough time to mention all.........One last thing, always check the work and written argument your lawyer has done for you. Some lawyers are fund of just writing something "generic" as an argument which gives an illusion that they have done their work. Just because a lawyer submitted 1000+ pages of document for your application does not mean he/she wrote something of "quality ". Always remember that quality is better than quantity


Here is what I will say which is why I agreed with @wello711. This forum is about helping each other. The only way that can happen is by sharing each other's experiences in this group... That is how each and every one of us knows exactly the best approach in know-how to tackle your immigration problem...There is someone with the name "TONY" in this forum who was also able to obtain a copy of his refusal letter from IRCC...Also, @Kaytoon is well experienced since she too has gone through h&c 3 times.

My point here is, if you are not sure of what to do, share your experience with others. that is the way you can do what to do and other will be able to learn from the experience.

I wish everybody the best in this forum and a positive decision. So mote be!

Yep , thst was on your advice to contact by yourself and i received refusal letter in less than 24hrs

 

[Juneplum]

I couldn't agree more with your post.

Talking from personal experience, I have gained knowledge from this forum MORE THAN all the lawyers( 3+ lawyers combined) I use previously before I finally decided to do my application myself. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that The amount of knowledge I have gained in this forum has been working in my favour. I am not sugar-coating anything. I am telling as it is.

Let me share with you a few experiences...

1) A lawyer charge me some money which she said she will need to file a case with the court so that IRCC was released a copy of a refusal letter. Her explanation did not make sense to me at all. She filled it in March 2021. Till now, we have not received a copy at all. You don't need to be a fool to know that 1+ 1 is NOT equal to 3. but the lawyer insists it is 3. I came to this forum for advice on how I can do it myself. @Ayanna explain everything to me. I did it myself. you will not believe I receive the refusal letter directly from IRCC in less than 24hrs. I contacted my lawyer and she was shocked how I got the letter. It was at this stage I begin to notice signs of how incompetent this lawyer is. Her account sent me an email so that I can be sent payment so that the lawyer can start my application. In the email, it contains agreement that clearly state money is NOT refundable.. There are so many red flags that I don't have the time to begin to mention. But this forum helps me see pass the deception of the lawyer.

Less I forget, you would not believe that the lawyer claim she did JD for me in March..Am like really? How is it possible she did with having a copy of a refusal letter ?Lastly, how was it possible she did it without her telling me and asking for payment before she start working? Most people will agree with me in this forum that LAWYER WILL NEVER WORK ON A CLIENT APPLICATION IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM PAYMENT AGREED., I did not discuss anything about JD with her. H&C application is the ONLY service I want from her......

2) There was another lawyer that I contacted. The advice she gave me is enough to make any stupid person go-ahead to sell their kidney for work that she is not sure will work. She told me I have to put in 3 different applications. This was what makes his work ridiculously expensive. Regarding this lawyer, the money was not really the issue for me, but rather there is a lot of red flags I notice about some things she said. One thing I always notice with some lawyers are they are secretive about giving their client detailed information on what they intend to do or how they plan to do it. More or less like keeping clients in the dark. Al they just want you to know is that they have completed and submitted your application. Next, they want their money. This forum helped me avoid falling for this scam....

3) I had a consultation with 3rd lawyer.I can't give detailed information about what he said because I feel ashamed he could be such a thing. But what I notice with this lawyer is that he want to do a program for me that he knows that I do NOT qualify for because he feels it is faster. He told me to forget h&c because it takes too long. When I ask him how much he will charge, He said 10,000 dollars( excluding tax)....Basically, he was looking for a CASH-COW he can make quick money from... Also, his advice did not make sense to me. I cam to this group once again for advice to seek their opinion.

The experience above is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have enough time to mention all.........One last thing, always check the work and written argument your lawyer has done for you. Some lawyers are fund of just writing something "generic" as an argument which gives an illusion that they have done their work. Just because a lawyer submitted 1000+ pages of document for your application does not mean he/she wrote something of "quality ". Always remember that quality is better than quantity


Here is what I will say which is why I agreed with @wello711. This forum is about helping each other. The only way that can happen is by sharing each other's experiences in this group... That is how each and every one of us knows exactly the best approach in know-how to tackle your immigration problem...There is someone with the name "TONY" in this forum who was also able to obtain a copy of his refusal letter from IRCC...Also, @Kaytoon is well experienced since she too has gone through h&c 3 times.

My point here is, if you are not sure of what to do, share your experience with others. that is the way you can do what to do and other will be able to learn from the experience.

I wish everybody the best in this forum and a positive decision. So mote be!

Some lawyers are so full of crap. I always advise people to please do their own research and know what IRCC is looking for.

 

[Katayoon]

Hey guys !
I don't know why the great majority of new members of the forum, refuse all the time to give ideas to others or to say generally what their arguments are, proofs, sources, lawyers etc..., at least others can have more knowledge for strengthen their files.
It's really weird! I understand very well that it can be embarrassing to share some things publicly, but we can discuss by private messages. the problem, they can't even say they aren't comfortable talking about it, they completely ignore people ! I would like to say for these persons, that you will not receive refusals if you share your knowledge with others !

anyway, the previous members were more helpful in my opinion ! @SweetQueen @bella12 @Ayanna, @Katayoon, @Me2020, @Akash2019, @Sweet child, @Growing pains, @Saraaaa, @RaiSaab108, @Ramone1, @Latin40 @AAK2018 @GrecchiJu and of course many others...... thank you very much for your precious advices. with your ideas and your orientations, many many people like me, was able to prepare H&C applications.

I think the key point is that people are afraid to be identified based on detalls we provide. Our cases are very unique and this forum has a lot of users. Almost all immigrants into Canada have used it in one form or other. Your immigrant friends, colleagues etc.could recognize you. My partner's ex wife and her friends are on this forum and they have insulted me multiple times on public, which I have ignored because I have bigger issues in life, but I totally feel people who are afraid of writing. I would still recommend to everyone to share your HC factors to help others, but maybe try to generalize your stories so that you cannot be identified.

 

[Katayoon]

Hi guys, I have questions. My JR and H&C was submitted same day (this Monday). My concentration is on the H&C. Both applications were submitted by same lawyer. My question is that how will I know the status or if and when there is update on my H&C. What do I have to do at this time or when and what do I need to do???

sure Katayoon, Ayanna Lexus and others will do justice to this question. I do not intend to ask my lawyer questions. If I must mention, my purse has big hole now as these applications didn’t come cheap at all given that I just paid about $4000 few months ago for RAD!!

Many members rely on ECAS to see when file goes in process. However, if your HC went into process and then gets put on hold, you still see "in process" but in reality the file is collecting dust.

regularly ordering GCMS notes is the only reliable way to track your file. You can try ordering notes after 3-6 months.

 

[David323]

No, its toronto H&C office address

so what is the correct address to send the police certificate?

 

[Swagzzy]

I couldn't agree more with your post.

Talking from personal experience, I have gained knowledge from this forum MORE THAN all the lawyers( 3+ lawyers combined) I use previously before I finally decided to do my application myself. I can tell you without fear of contradiction that The amount of knowledge I have gained in this forum has been working in my favour. I am not sugar-coating anything. I am telling as it is.

Let me share with you a few experiences...

1) A lawyer charge me some money which she said she will need to file a case with the court so that IRCC was released a copy of a refusal letter. Her explanation did not make sense to me at all. She filled it in March 2021. Till now, we have not received a copy at all. You don't need to be a fool to know that 1+ 1 is NOT equal to 3. but the lawyer insists it is 3. I came to this forum for advice on how I can do it myself. @Ayanna explain everything to me. I did it myself. you will not believe I receive the refusal letter directly from IRCC in less than 24hrs. I contacted my lawyer and she was shocked how I got the letter. It was at this stage I begin to notice signs of how incompetent this lawyer is. Her account sent me an email so that I can be sent payment so that the lawyer can start my application. In the email, it contains an agreement that clearly states money is NOT refundable.. There are so many red flags that I don't have the time to begin to mention. But this forum helps me see pass the deception of the lawyer.

Less I forget, you would not believe that the lawyer claim she did JD for me in March..Am like really? How is it possible she did with having a copy of a refusal letter ?Lastly, how was it possible she did it without her telling me and asking for payment before she start working? Most people will agree with me in this forum that LAWYER WILL NEVER WORK ON A CLIENT APPLICATION IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM PAYMENT AGREED., I did not discuss anything about JD with her. H&C application is the ONLY service I want from her......

2) There was another lawyer that I contacted. The advice she gave me is enough to make any stupid person go-ahead to sell their kidney for work that she is not sure will work. She told me I have to put in 3 different applications. This was what makes his work ridiculously expensive. Regarding this lawyer, the money was not really the issue for me, but rather there is a lot of red flags I notice about some things she said. One thing I always notice with some lawyers are they are secretive about giving their client detailed information on what they intend to do or how they plan to do it. More or less like keeping clients in the dark. Al they just want you to know is that they have completed and submitted your application. Next, they want their money. This forum helped me avoid falling for this scam....

3) I had a consultation with 3rd lawyer.I can't give detailed information about what he said because I feel ashamed he could be such a thing. But what I notice with this lawyer is that he want to do a program for me that he knows that I do NOT qualify for because he feels it is faster. He told me to forget h&c because it takes too long. When I ask him how much he will charge, He said 10,000 dollars( excluding tax)....Basically, he was looking for a CASH-COW he can make quick money from... Also, his advice did not make sense to me. I cam to this group once again for advice to seek their opinion.

The experience above is just the tip of the iceberg. I don't have enough time to mention all.........One last thing, always check the work and written argument your lawyer has done for you. Some lawyers are fund of just writing something "generic" as an argument which gives an illusion that they have done their work. Just because a lawyer submitted 1000+ pages of document for your application does not mean he/she wrote something of "quality ". Always remember that quality is better than quantity


Here is what I will say which is why I agreed with @wello711. This forum is about helping each other. The only way that can happen is by sharing each other's experiences in this group... That is how each and every one of us knows exactly the best approach in know-how to tackle your immigration problem...There is someone with the name @tony445 in this forum who was also able to obtain a copy of his refusal letter from IRCC from the advice I gave him on how he can obtain his refusal letter from IRCC without using a lawyer...Also, @Katayoon is well experienced since she too has gone through h&c 3 times.

My point here is, if you are not sure of what to do, share your experience with others. that is the way you can do what to do and other will be able to learn from the experience.

I wish everybody the best in this forum and a positive decision. So mote be!

Succinct!!

 

[Swagzzy]

Many members rely on ECAS to see when file goes in process. However, if your HC went into process and then gets put on hold, you still see "in process" but in reality the file is collecting dust.

regularly ordering GCMS notes is the only reliable way to track your file. You can try ordering notes after 3-6 months.

Thanks as always for the info. I will other GCMC after 4 or 5 months.

 

[bella12]

I think the key point is that people are afraid to be identified based on detalls we provide. Our cases are very unique and this forum has a lot of users. Almost all immigrants into Canada have used it in one form or another. Your immigrant friends, colleagues etc.could recognize you. My partner's ex wife and her friends are on this forum and they have insulted me multiple times on public, which I have ignored because I have bigger issues in life, but I totally feel people who are afraid of writing. I would still recommend to everyone to share your HC factors to help others, but maybe try to generalize your stories so that you cannot be identified.

You have a valid point. However, one should avoid suffering in silence.
They can use create a throw-away profile that will not hint at their identity. And when they post in the forum, they are cryptic ways of asking questions or sharing experiences so that nobody can hint at their identity. My profile name is a perfect example. I notice 2 new members who are from my country but they don't know I am from the same country as them. The nature of my post and style of writing makes it difficult for anybody to guess my identity or my country of origin in the forum.

 

[Swagzzy]

I think the key point is that people are afraid to be identified based on detalls we provide. Our cases are very unique and this forum has a lot of users. Almost all immigrants into Canada have used it in one form or other. Your immigrant friends, colleagues etc.could recognize you. My partner's ex wife and her friends are on this forum and they have insulted me multiple times on public, which I have ignored because I have bigger issues in life, but I totally feel people who are afraid of writing. I would still recommend to everyone to share your HC factors to help others, but maybe try to generalize your stories so that you cannot be identified.

In fact. I salute your patience and maturity on your issue. I read through the whole insult and I have always thought what manner of well behaved woman you are!!!

 

[زين العابدين مكي وطن]

انقذوني من العنف العشائري

 

[زين العابدين مكي وطن]

اي من العنف العشائري في العراق

 

[bella12]

so what is the correct address to send the police certificate?

If sending via mail, Check the address in your AOR. You will find the contact address in it mainly to update about anything that have to do with the change of circumstance or sending of additional document.. Ensure you attach a brief letter explaining(that is, letter of explanation) about what the document you will be sending is for. I did something similar for my application recently

Very important: Ensure that you include your H&c application number in the letter. It will help them identify you, easily locate your file, and know the purpose of the document you sent to them... Lastly, ensure you use "tracking mail". That way, you have evidence with you that that IRCC receives a copy of your police certificate.

 

[Be bless]

Many members rely on ECAS to see when file goes in process. However, if your HC went into process and then gets put on hold, you still see "in process" but in reality the file is collecting dust.

regularly ordering GCMS notes is the only reliable way to track your file. You can try ordering notes after 3-6 months.

Yes is through ,i think my application they put in the fridge, because it went in process fast and then gets put on hold. Waiting for GCMS notes.
Here is my timeline for my h&c Application received: January 04th,2021 AOR received: February 27th,2021 Processing start: February 27th,2021