Depends on your profession, but given Australia's abysmal IC design industry. I'll keep my bets in Canada.
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Do you need masters for PhD in Canada? I know several in the US that went straight for a PhD, I thought Canada copied the style as well.
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The usual is you're required to have a master's. I haven't heard of any PhD program that accepted students straight out of undergrad; but maybe there are a few out there.
I interned at U of Utah nuclear department and they at the time even stopped offering Masters. Most there went straight from undergrad. The only masters was the girl I was assisting and they kept trying to convince her to change to a PhD. I asked about it because in Brazil a masters is required and they told me it’s common in the US.
U of Toronto seems to have something like it, but it has a quite a bit of prerequisite and an extra year.
https://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/policies-guidelines/five-year-phd-direct-entry-programs/
It depends, some universities allows Bachelor's to go straight for PhD. However, if they do offer such a path, the program would only admit students with a relatively high GPA, and good recommendations. They also require the students to do more coursework compared to someone with a Master's Degree, and sometimes even a double thesis, although by and large, only 1 research work is required.
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EU and Canada typically require MSc before a PhD. You gotta look around in Canada to see if there are any schools offering the US style (direct PhD) but as you said it likely adds an extra year (like in the US). Question is, if you have a BSc and not an MSc yet, why care to get a PhD in Canada and not just an MSc? PhD in Canada is probably the most useless shit ever and is only a waste of your youth (first hand experience).
I don’t know either, there doesn’t seem to be much quality research in Canada. Most of the research at our department was sponsored by a mining company, so it was targeted research, and several there were from Europe on a scholarship, so the research was basically their job as well. I should’ve tried going back after I graduated lol. Oh well.
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A US PhD is good, EU PhDs are quick (3 years - no courses) and are directly funded by companies themselves so they're #1 in terms of being "targeted". In most cases you're literally employed by the company as a researcher. Canadian PhDs take 4+ years with no real outcome; you don't even get to see your sponsor. You're locked up in a mediocre lab, doing research for dirt cheap only to be "overqualified" after you graduate. There are no jobs in Canada even for MSc (and very few for BSc as we know lol); and most Canadian PhDs are not respected in the US. So you should probably drop it or go to EU for a PhD. Don't say I didn't tell you...
yes, true. as Ontario's doug reminded, Canada only wants hard working unskilled / semi skilled labor. and from this i infer that Canada don't want PhD folks. go to the US/UK/EU/ to do it. they really need researchers.
Guys, does Australia give any chance for pure outlanders? I have checked a couple of times but I can't even pass the eligibility score. For instance, for subclass 189 (I am not sure if this is the correct one or not), I get 55 points only while 65 is the criteria. Anyone could guide me on this, please?
There's one in university in Canada, McMaster which actually allows the students to collaborate with their employers regarding their research work. But yes, I do believe the program is not a ubiquitous as in other countries.
That's one good point, it's also the primary reason why I didn't bother to get a PhD in my home country. Even in my field, most companies (Canada and US) are looking for MSc applications, there's the occasional opening for Fellowship level positions looking for Ph.D graduates, but a lot will settle for an MSc especially an MSc with a lot of experience. For BSc though, I think it's a tough competition for Senior level positions unless they really have a good experience to back it up.
It does, if you have 8+ years experience, <33 y/o, IELTS band 8 for all tests, BS equivalent degree (No incentive for MS, but Ph.D has), and single. You get a score of 90. Although if I'm not mistaken, the cut-off scores for class 189 is 100+ points. So good luck getting an ITA there.
I knew there should be a reason nobody touch Australia...I really wanna be grateful for the chance Canada is giving to pure outlanders, but on the other hand, if the current mess going to last, then in practice there won't be a difference between the two.
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I lost my marbles when I saw literal BMW (EU) posting PhD student positions on LinkedIn... That's they way PhD should be done. Can't find that in Canada.