FSW WORLDWIDE

[shanusharma01]

For cec & pnp it is 'express entry'

For fsw it is 'depress entry'

 

[rocky123987]

Agree with your points.

I just wish they were a bit more communicative and transparent because a 2+ year wait for what would've been a 6 month process is pretty brutal and it's affecting a lot of people. Not as brutal as living under Taliban rule, but brutal enough that a little more communication would've been nice and eased a lot of nerves. All they gave was the bare minimum "We cannot process these applications normally". Something like "We'll process A first and then B," or "We're putting B on hold until X" would've been nice, because tweeting "Welcome home A!" is a spit in the face for B who's been patiently waiting for 2 years with no updates.

Edit: I want to clearly state that I'm not against refugees being prioritized.

I agree with you. Communication is key.

You generalized when you wrote "who have access to the first world amenities over those who are separated from their families,"
You just took your spoiled bratty life living in a first world country and tried making it the rule in stead of the exception it is. I don’t care for telling my story to a virtue signaling brat.
Express entry is a points based system, there are already situations considering labor needs such as PNP and extra points for job offer. So no, it was never intended to benefit CEC with CEC only draws. That was an exception for the pandemic which is no longer valid now. Those CEC would never get ITA without the pandemic and their taxes mean nothing for the express entry system.
IRCC has the resources to process all. They are processing more monthly than ever. They are CHOOSING to process CEC in 45 days when they have 6 months. Equalizing resources would allow them to process all in better timeframe.

I did not generalize; I was specifically writing from the perspective of those "who have our families (not separated from us due to the pandemic) and access to first world amenities". So, no, I did not make it a rule.

I don't care about your sob story, as you don't care about those that are genuinely in pain. Also, internet is a first-world amenity, and you appear to be well connected to it.

The Express Entry system is primarily meant to benefit Canada, and they will benefit by meeting their immigration targets. Paying taxes are important - it is the primary source of revenue for a country, so it is an important proof of commitment.

They are not processing all CEC in 45 days; even on their status tracker, it shows that they're finalizing most apps from Feb, which had the mega draw, which should tell us that most CEC apps are also taking >> 45 days.

The more I read this thread the more I become agitated and feel more and more injustice towards myself from ircc or the great random of life.

I should stop but it doesn't feel like anything else is important because I've put too much effort and money in immigration. So I just keep coming back for more misery, reading your thoughts, two sides saying they're doing right or doing wrong by prioritizing and putting most of us aside (which, to my opinion both opinions are correct), but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still stuck, can't move up my career or better my life situation because if I get the positive decision nothing here will matter anymore and all that energy will be wasted and if the decision is negative or any reason I wasted 10+ years of my life on a ghost chase and have nothing to show for it today besides two languages I learned that 95% probability I won't ever need or use in a constructive manner.

You are fighting for your career and for a better quality of life, but someone in Afghanistan is probably fighting for his/her life itself. Language, money etc. are all investments that we made in this immigration opportunity, and all investments come with a risk. I don't know your exact situation, but don't let the uncertainties of life pull you down. If you've made a career for yourself and still have this opportunity to immigrate, you're a winner. Keep doing what you're doing.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

For cec & pnp it is 'express entry'

For fsw it is 'depress entry'

I'm pre-ITA, so for me it's no entry. **

*Unless I have 50k lying around to buy my entry.

 

[rocky123987]

Every once in a while some newbie pops up making the tired old 'paying taxes' excuse thinking they're a beacon of rationality. let's set this straight for the 100th time. I don't even know why I'm bothering, because I'm certain someone will cherrypick some of these points and strawman them to push a narrative. Watch it happen.

Taxes don't entitle you to any kind of prioritization. Taxes are a part of your agreement to live in the country legally. You get access to social programs etc as a result of it. Just because you pay taxes doesn't entitle you to a 'reward'. It means you're doing the bare minimum as a responsible resident.

Second, if someone isn't already in the country, they will start paying taxes pretty soon after landing in the country. That means EXTRA tax paying residents being brought in. Someone already in the country is already paying taxes, and will continue to be in the country and pay taxes. The most "logical" thing would be to keep extending work permits, dangling the hope of PR, and continuing to get more people from outside who will start working and paying taxes relatively soon. This means you're adding to the tax paying population instead of keeping it at a net zero (yes, converting temp residents to permanent resident is not increasing the tax paying population, it's keeping it at a net zero AT BEST). I think everyone can agree that this wouldn't be fair to people living there already.

So let's stop pretending that taxes are the main reason behind fucking FSWs in the ass. There isn't a logical justification for it anymore. it was kind of understandable that they were doing it before with the border restrictions. Now, they seem to have realized that they can milk more money from outside the country by essentially forcing people to go to overpriced universities in the country (which is what EVERY developed country already does). The entire reason canada was an attractive option was because it offered the opportunity to immigrate based on qualifications, not based on how rich you are. That has now changed and Canada has finally caught up with the rest of the developed world. Plus, they can play humanitarian on the side to maintain their image as a benevolent and accepting country (while simultaneously ignoring indigenous genocide until it became politically advantageous to address it. Yeah suddenly conservatives care about indigenous people? Sure okay bud.)

Am I salty here? Yeah for sure. I have lost 3 years of my life to this incompetence, and all they had to do make one statement about it in the LAST 10 MONTHS. But let's stop pretending that "paying taxes" has anything to do with it. It's about the money you bring in as a student. I'm sure the 40k grandpappies they're bringing in will also pay tAxEs right?

Despite your education etc., if you've lost 3 years of your life to a PR, I doubt that it is IRCC's incompetence. There are enough 2148 jobs in other parts of the world.

Taxes are not an entitlement; it's a sign of commitment to a country. They're not forcing anyone to join their overpriced universities - people join them and they overpay for them because they want to. Also, to your argument, what better than to first make people pay for their universities and then earn taxes once the people enter the workstream.

The saltiness will not solve the problem. If anything, it'll make things worse. I too am salty, but it sometimes helps to look at the situation from different perspective. The fact that you have a high CRS score proves that you are worth far more than a PR will attribute to you. Don't pull yourself down.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Despite your education etc., if you've lost 3 years of your life to a PR, I doubt that it is IRCC's incompetence. There are enough 2148 jobs in other parts of the world.

Taxes are not an entitlement; it's a sign of commitment to a country. They're not forcing anyone to join their overpriced universities - people join them and they overpay for them because they want to. Also, to your argument, what better than to first make people pay for their universities and then earn taxes once the people enter the workstream.

The saltiness will not solve the problem. If anything, it'll make things worse. I too am salty, but it sometimes helps to look at the situation from different perspective. The fact that you have a high CRS score proves that you are worth far more than a PR will attribute to you. Don't pull yourself down.

Me losing the 3 years was purely because of IRCC constantly shifting the goalpost without warning. But at least back then, CRS actually mattered. If I could get it high enough, I'd get an ITA. Now it has entirely changed to 'if I'm rich enough to go to university in Canada, I'll get an ITA'.

I don't need your popcorn motivation, but thanks. "The fact that you have a high CRS score proves that you are worth far more than a PR will attribute to you." What an utterly meaningless sentence. Not to mention, unture. There's a reason I want to immigrate, and my problem is with IRCC pretending that CRS still matters. If they want to blatantly disregard CRS scores and have more people come in as students, fucking say so. Say FSW is cancelled, so PNPs will stop capping their intake CRS. Right now, I'm ineligible for Ontario PNP because my CRS is too high. And you're making my point for me. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay for university, but Canada is catching up with the rest of the world by effectively making it the only viable option to PR. Just because you're living well in the US and you're post-AOR, you get to play the stoic rational. Get the fuck outta here with your stupid generalizations conveniently wrapped up in some "hold your chin up" nonsense.

 

[ImpatientAlligator]

For cec & pnp it is 'express entry'

For fsw it is 'depress entry'

They should change the name to 'passenger entry'.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

You generalized when you wrote "who have access to the first world amenities over those who are separated from their families,"
You just took your spoiled bratty life living in a first world country and tried making it the rule in stead of the exception it is. I don’t care for telling my story to a virtue signaling brat.
Express entry is a points based system, there are already situations considering labor needs such as PNP and extra points for job offer. So no, it was never intended to benefit CEC with CEC only draws. That was an exception for the pandemic which is no longer valid now. Those CEC would never get ITA without the pandemic and their taxes mean nothing for the express entry system.
IRCC has the resources to process all. They are processing more monthly than ever. They are CHOOSING to process CEC in 45 days when they have 6 months. Equalizing resources would allow them to process all in better timeframe.

Guy's living in the US, and probably knows he'll take a pay cut in Canada in exchange for security and peace of mind from OPT/H1B stuff. So he pretends to be rational while he earns and saves way more than he can in Canada. Easy to see the positives when you're already living high.

 

[shanusharma01]

I'm pre-ITA, so for me it's no entry. **

*Unless I have 50k lying around to buy my entry.

lol even i am pre-ita but since i have entered the pool it has been depressing hence the name depress entry

 

[Alysson]

Guy's living in the US, and probably knows he'll take a pay cut in Canada in exchange for security and peace of mind from OPT/H1B stuff. So he pretends to be rational while he earns and saves way more than he can in Canada. Easy to see the positives when you're already living high.

Considering he is a newbie with only these troll post, its more likely he is one of the who benefited from pandemic and would never never get an ITA without it, to be defending the prioritization of that wasted group, and came here for virtue signaling to pretend that group has some importance that is not already counted in the CRS system. You get 40 points as thanks for your "taxes" in your first year and increasing points each year for your "hard earned taxes". The program was not created to have your taxes being worth prioritization. If points are low even with the tax bonus, than you´re not worth an ITA.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Considering he is a newbie with only these troll post, its more likely he is one of the who benefited from pandemic and would never never get an ITA without it, to be defending the prioritization of that wasted group, and came here for virtue signaling to pretend that group has some importance that is not already counted in the CRS system. You get 40 points as thanks for your "taxes" in your first year and increasing points each year for your "hard earned taxes". The program was not created to have your taxes being worth prioritization. If points are low even with the tax bonus, than you´re not worth an ITA.

Nah, he's FSW-O based on his first post. Didn't lose his job in the pandemic, probably saving a lot, and can easily justify the long wait as time to save more prior to moving.

But yeah, all these people conveniently ignore the fact that 1 year exp plus canadian bachelors gives you more points than 3 years foreign exp and a master's. And now they've made it even easier to get a PR if you're in Canada. Fact is, CEC is one of, if not the easiest permanent immigration pathway. If TR to PR becomes semi permanent, I'm sure CECs will cry about it being 'unfair'

 

[LayinLow]

https://www.immigration.ca/legal-association-in-canada-urges-ircc-to-speed-up-processing-of-immigration-applications

 

[Psyoptica]

I don’t wanna get into this CEC vs FSW debate again but I just want to use this analogy to paint a picture: imagine you’ve stood in a super long queue waiting for your turn. The journey to reach the queue wasnt easy but you took the challenge heads on and made it. You’re almost at the entrance when suddenly you’re told to stop and a large group of people you’ve never seen before casually walk past you and get in. No reason no explanation is given as to why. Now you are stuck in the queue forever watching painfully as these “especial” group of people continue to walk in without having to stand in the queue. You think about the journey and realize it meant nothing. The only way you could get in now is to “be” one to them. You can’t help but despise these people for getting the preferential treatment and hate the authorities for blatant discrimination.

 

[Alysson]

I don’t wanna get into this while CEC vs FSW again but I just want to use this analogy to paint a picture: imagine you’ve stood in a super long queue waiting for your turn. The journey to reach the queue wasnt easy but you took the challenge heads on and made it. You’re almost at the entrance when suddenly you’re told to stop and a large group of people you’ve never seen before casually walk past you and get in. No reason no explanation is given as to why. Now you are stuck in the queue forever watching painfully as these “especial” group of people continue to walk in without having to stand in the queue. You think about the journey and realize it meant nothing. The only way you could get in now is to “be” one to them. You can’t help but despise these people for getting the preferential treatment and hate the authorities for blatant discrimination.

I don´t hate CEC, I just hate low CRS CEC, that even with all the extra points they get, was only able to receive a PR thanks to a pandemic.

 

[yjus]

It says "not started" so I don't think they sent you anything. Check below to see if there is any outgoing correspondence.
Judging by the validity date, they renewed your medicals on August 20, but it doesn't mean that the CoPR was issued on that day. (I could be wrong of course)
Isn't the issuance date written above?

Thanks.
There is an issuance date above, it is 2021-08-27

 

[Psyoptica]

I don´t hate CEC, I just hate low CRS CEC, that even with all the extra points they get, was only able to receive a PR thanks to a pandemic.

I don’t hate anyone but the discriminatory organization which is peocessing applications for one group of people faster than the speed of light while the sufferings of the rest is ignored.
This preferential treatment has also turned these people into spoiled and entitled obnoxious brats who get anxious past 1 month of wait and show their stupid aggression and frustration in facebook groups where they co-exist with those waiting for 2+ years