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[anton1990]

Yes, permanent. At the expense of all taxpayers, including me. Lack of supply is the major reason for high house prices. That and flipping.

So middle class needs to be taxed hard because lazy (yes lazy because many of them prefared getting CERB over coming back to work) need money, this is not fair

 

[fr72]

Where does it say that canada is socialist country? Yes liberals want to convert it

What is your definition of socialism?
Universal healthcare is not socialism? EI is not socialism? But making CERB permanent is?

 

[fr72]

So middle class needs to be taxed hard because lazy (yes lazy because many of them prefared getting CERB over coming back to work) need money, this is not fair

Sounds completely fair to me. You can say the same thing about universal healthcare - why should a fit person like me pay for a fat slob who gets a heart attack?

Like I said before, there is a society to our south that shares your outlook, feel free to move there.

 

[fr72]

Socialism and capitalism are over-simplified monikers for those that find the details too cumbersome. I support UBI and universal healthcare, but struggle with an excessively unionized workforce which plays a role in (a) our economy becoming less competitive vs the outside world, (b) Canadians being forced to accept sub-par services. For example, I'd happily support a voucher system with the option to send our kids to private school, than be held to ransom by TDSB's teachers union. Separately, there a bunch of reasons why entrepreneurs have it far from easy in Canada... alluded to some in my earlier post.

If Canada's primary value proposition is that the US is a bleeding mess on healthcare and immigration policy, we will have a problem when that ceases to be the case. It will happen before know it. And btw, I wouldn't make America out to be some anti-immigrant place. Being against illegal immigrants from Latin America doesn't make Americans anti-immigrant. Canada can afford to be all woke about this, since we don't have a 2000 mile land border with Mexico to deal with. With 15.4% of its population foreign born, America has welcomed immigrants for a long long time. Admittedly lower than Canada's 21.3%. But if the US replaces H-1B with a points-based system comparable to ours, Canada will struggle to attract talent. Be careful what you wish for, or you may get it.

H1B is not an immigrant visa. US already has a working immigration system (with a high bar for economic and low bar for family based). It just doesn't work for one country - India. That too is a recent phenomenon. Even India had no issues wrt US immigration before 2000s. And guess what, Canada did OK before 2000s too. US provided mass amnesty to everyone in 1987, did Canada cease to exist as a result?

 

[anton1990]

What is your definition of socialism?
Universal healthcare is not socialism? EI is not socialism? But making CERB permanent is?

Educate yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

I know what is socialism, I was born in one called USSR. And any socialism is corruption

 

[fr72]

Educate yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

I know what is socialism, I was born in one called USSR. And any socialism is corruption

Yeah yeah yeah...I know all about where you are from. It's not a surprise that you have an affinity for political parties that are cruel towards immigrants (except yourself of course).

Tell me how CERB is socialism but Universal Healthcare is not? Do you understand? Or can you only paste wikipedia links?

 

[anton1990]

Again i am not trying to make people mad. Majority

Sounds completely fair to me. You can say the same thing about universal healthcare - why should a fit person like me pay for a fat slob who gets a heart attack?

Like I said before, there is a society to our south that shares your outlook, feel free to move there.

I think you are from east. Most of Alberta and Saskatchewan would understand what i qm talking about

 

[fr72]

Again i am not trying to make people mad. Majority

I think you are from east. Most of Alberta and Saskatchewan would understand what i qm talking about

Lol, I am sure they would.

 

[anton1990]

Yeah yeah yeah...I know all about where you are from. It's not a surprise that you have an affinity for political parties that are cruel towards immigrants (except yourself of course).

Tell me how CERB is socialism but Universal Healthcare is not? Do you understand? Or can you only paste wikipedia links?

Man, i am immigrant myself and most of my friends are immigrants from different countries

Ironically but conservatives promissed to make non-visa entry to canada for Ukrainians. Cruel? I do not think so

 

[prash42]

Canada is a great country, and will never "cease to exist", there's no need to put words in my mouth I find it more helpful to see things in shades of grey, than in the black and white you are painting. Business competitiveness matters in a global economy, Canada is slipping on this count, and that worries me. If it continues to happen over the next couple of decades, Canada will struggle to pay for healthcare and EI... forget CERB, UBI, etc. Canada has only 240k people with networth >$1 million. How much can you squeeze out of such a narrow tax base? And there are other problems for Canada looming on the horizon with oil & gas (largest export) falling out of favor vs renewables. And the Canadian dollar is not the world's reserve currency, so good luck borrowing your way out of trouble, the way the US does. Heck, we don't even have a monetary policy we can call our own, because if the elephant south of us sneezes, we get pneumonia. Bank of Canada's governor honestly can do nothing but follow the Fed, which does not (and legally should not) care about other countries.

Re H-1B, I think we are saying the same thing. Currently it has a 65k annual cap (additional 20k if you have a masters degree from the US) and is non-immigrant. Drop those two constraints, and it will look a lot like Canada's skilled immigrant program. Sensible H-1B reform has the potential to dramatically alter the talent pool showing up on Canadian shores. Not holding my breath on that happening, but if it does, we have a problem on hand.

H1B is not an immigrant visa. US already has a working immigration system. It just doesn't work for one country - India. That too is a recent phenomenon. Even India had no issues wrt US immigration before 2000s. And guess what, Canada did OK before 2000s too. US provided mass amnesty to everyone in 1987, did Canada cease to exist as a result?

 

[fr72]

Man, i am immigrant myself and most of my friends are immigrants from different countries

Ironically but conservatives promissed to make non-visa entry to canada for Ukrainians. Cruel? I do not think so

Yeah.... former soviet bloc countries and conservative parties prefer a certain kind of immigrant for sure.

 

[fr72]

Canada is a great country, and will never "cease to exist", there's no need to put words in my mouth I find it more helpful to see things in shades of grey, than in the black and white you are painting. Business competitiveness matters in a global economy, Canada is slipping on this count, and that worries me. If it continues to happen over the next couple of decades, Canada will struggle to pay for healthcare and EI... forget CERB, UBI, etc. Canada has only 240k people with networth >$1 million. How much can you squeeze out of such a narrow tax base? And there are other problems for Canada looming on the horizon with oil & gas (largest export) falling out of favor vs renewables. And the Canadian dollar is not the world's reserve currency, so good luck borrowing your way out of trouble, the way the US does. Heck, we don't even have a monetary policy we can call our own, because if the elephant south of us sneezes, we get pneumonia. Bank of Canada's governor honestly can do nothing but follow the Fed, which does not (and legally should not) care about other countries.

Re H-1B, I think we are saying the same thing. Currently it has a 65k annual cap (additional 20k if you have a masters degree from the US) and is non-immigrant. Drop those two constraints, and it will look a lot like Canada's skilled immigrant program. Sensible H-1B reform has the potential to dramatically alter the talent pool showing up on Canadian shores. Not holding my breath on that happening, but if it does, we have a problem on hand.

Dont worry about the future economy of Canada. Oil and gas is not the only thing we depend on. Its perfectly possible to have a 1st world economy without a lot of resources. New Zealand does it with just sheep and cows.

Venezuela has a lot of oil and could do nothing with it.
Its the liberals who agree with you and want to move away from oil and gas but conservatives want to go the Venezuela route.

Economy depends on the level of education of a country, and there, Canada has no problems. Of course, that could change if conservative premiers keep cutting education budgets.

Yes, Canada doesn't have a reserve currency. But inflation is a perfectly reasonable way to get out of debt. Thats exactly what happened in the 1940s in Europe and North America and the 50s were golden years economy wise. The 50s also had 90% tax rates and that worked out great too.

Canada's economy doesnt depend on oil and wont change if US implements a points system. The number of immigrants to both countries will remain the same and the quality mix wont change much either. The US might just get more Indian immigrants %ge wise, that is all. Willing to bet that cut offs of their points will be higher. But its hardly an existential threat or even a minor issue.

 

[luvtrump]

What is your definition of socialism?
Universal healthcare is not socialism? EI is not socialism? But making CERB permanent is?

Why make CERB permanent ? Instead a Universal basic income would be good. A basic threshold. Say you work 40 hours and end up making 1800 to 1500 , govt could bump that up to 2000. But paying 2000 to sit home and do nothing I think should come to an end soon. Plus this might sound harsh but Child care should also be limited to 2 or max 3 children. People from some parts of the world who come here have a train full of children. Healthcare should be like in Australia some paid by people and some by Govt.

 

[fr72]

Why make CERB permanent ? Instead a Universal basic income would be good. A basic threshold. Say you work 40 hours and end up making 1800 to 1500 , govt could bump that up to 2000. But paying 2000 to sit home and do nothing I think should come to an end soon. Plus this might sound harsh but Child care should also be limited to 2 or max 3 children. People from some parts of the world who come here have a train full of children. Healthcare should be like in Australia some paid by people and some by Govt.

Are you sure you know what Universal Basic Income is? It literally is money for doing nothing. Lol. Its not a topup to existing income.

I am all for UBI with no strings attached. It will make sure that people don't need to work to pay for basic necessities. This will also improve living conditions for all as bad employers wont be able to exploit workers anymore. The current situation is great for workers, employers are being forced to provide more pay and benefits to compete with CERB. I am all for it!

. As automation grows and need for human labor reduces, that becomes a necessity. We can tax the productivity that automation creates.

CERB should be permanent. Anytime someone loses a job, they should get 2000 per month. Thats a no brainer. If employers want to lure these workers back, they better pay up. They in turn can charge more to their customers. The effect across society will be higher wages for all, at the expense of operating margins of big business, which means lower stock values. A small price to pay in my opinion.

Which part of the world are you talking about? All immigrants I know have either 0 or 1 child. But I do know 2 Canadian born couples (white) with 3 kids each.

 

[prash42]

Having done this for a living for 20 years (investing in globally competitiveness businesses), in the 5 years since immigrating to Canada, I've gone from gung ho about the economy to rather concerned. Doesn't mean I'm right, but my interest is in understanding economic underpinnings, not in pushing political views. Frankly having looked at the policy positions of both liberals and conservatives, it's not clear either really understands or cares... Canadian politicians are as self-serving as politicians anywhere. Anyway this forum is not conducive to this kind of debate. Have nothing further to add, especially when you're so convinced that things will work out, and I hope your optimism proves justified.

But my first responsibility is to my family, so I'm hedging my bets... no savings in loonie denominated investments... zero. Since you appear to agree that inflation is the logical path for Canada to take, I hope you are doing the same with your investments. Also the fiction that the Canadian economy and currency can decouple from commodity prices is just that... fiction. https://economics.td.com/ca-loonie-rise

Dont worry about the future economy of Canada. Oil and gas is not the only thing we depend on. Its perfectly possible to have a 1st world economy without a lot of resources. New Zealand does it with just sheep and cows.

Venezuela has a lot of oil and could do nothing with it.
Its the liberals who agree with you and want to move away from oil and gas but conservatives want to go the Venezuela route.

Economy depends on the level of education of a country, and there, Canada has no problems. Of course, that could change if conservative premiers keep cutting education budgets.

Yes, Canada doesn't have a reserve currency. But inflation is a perfectly reasonable way to get out of debt. Thats exactly what happened in the 1940s in Europe and North America and the 50s were golden years economy wise. The 50s also had 90% tax rates and that worked out great too.

Canada's economy doesnt depend on oil and wont change if US implements a points system. The number of immigrants to both countries will remain the same and the quality mix wont change much either. The US might just get more Indian immigrants %ge wise, that is all. Willing to bet that cut offs of their points will be higher. But its hardly an existential threat or even a minor issue.