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legalfalcon

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4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
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01-10-2015
AOR Received.
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Med's Done....
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05-04-2016
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12-04-2016
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05-05-2016
Thank you so much! I already submitted my RCMP record along with other documents in December. Will they just go over the file I submitted or they need to re-check thru the system? It's been 2 weeks and no change since then.

Oh by the way, my Security was "Not Started" for a long time. But when the Criminality changed back to "In progress", it changed to " In progress" as well. Is it normal? Much appreciated for your reply!
If you have submitted your RCMP report, no need to be concerned. The biometrics you provided will be sent to RCMP for processing and then RCMP will send a report to IRCC.
 

scenestrange

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Apr 27, 2021
213
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NOC Code......
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AOR Received.
23-04-2021
@legalfalcon Do you have happened to know, in which case Eligibility goes to "Required review"? is there any particular scenarios where Case analyst seeks Visa Officers review?

Thanks in advance
 

Timbuktu_14

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@legalfalcon Do you have happened to know, in which case Eligibility goes to "Required review"? is there any particular scenarios where Case analyst seeks Visa Officers review?

Thanks in advance
The reason is always on the GCMS notes. RR could be for several reasons, ranging from visa history to POF to work experience. Best to order notes to find out.
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
@legalfalcon Do you have happened to know, in which case Eligibility goes to "Required review"? is there any particular scenarios where Case analyst seeks Visa Officers review?

Thanks in advance

I had an old post on RR, re-posting it here.



Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
 
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User2323

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@legalfalcon Good evening, I am a little concerned as I just received my RCMP clearance and it's the first time I see what it looks like. I have to upload that to IRCC but would like to know what the IRCC are looking at on the report. My rcmp clearance has 4 pages: page 1saying there's a positive identification to fingerprints i submitted, my address, name, fingerprints and picture. Page 2 shows a charge in 2019 that resulted in a conditional discharge, Page 3 shows the charges I was dealing with and shows "withdrawn " below them and page 4 shows "outstanding charge" eventhough that charge was withdrawn on March 23rd 2021 and Toronto police headquarters reassured me 3 weeks ago that every charge was withdrawn and it showed no criminal record on my name. So i can only assume that the oustanding charge on page 4 means the charge withdrawn has yet to be updated in CPIC. I am just worried with what's on the report eventhough the allegations were false and charges are now withdrawn. I did send a webform 30mins ago with the rcmp clearance as well as court documents showing that outstanding charge shown on pg 4 of my rcmp clearance is actually withdrawn. So again, my question is what does IRCC officer do or look at when they get our rcmp criminal record checks? Please advise. Thanks in advance
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
@legalfalcon Good evening, I am a little concerned as I just received my RCMP clearance and it's the first time I see what it looks like. I have to upload that to IRCC but would like to know what the IRCC are looking at on the report. My rcmp clearance has 4 pages: page 1saying there's a positive identification to fingerprints i submitted, my address, name, fingerprints and picture. Page 2 shows a charge in 2019 that resulted in a conditional discharge, Page 3 shows the charges I was dealing with and shows "withdrawn " below them and page 4 shows "outstanding charge" eventhough that charge was withdrawn on March 23rd 2021 and Toronto police headquarters reassured me 3 weeks ago that every charge was withdrawn and it showed no criminal record on my name. So i can only assume that the oustanding charge on page 4 means the charge withdrawn has yet to be updated in CPIC. I am just worried with what's on the report eventhough the allegations were false and charges are now withdrawn. I did send a webform 30mins ago with the rcmp clearance as well as court documents showing that outstanding charge shown on pg 4 of my rcmp clearance is actually withdrawn. So again, my question is what does IRCC officer do or look at when they get our rcmp criminal record checks? Please advise. Thanks in advance
You will have to Sumit what you received from RCMP, and also provide any additional documents about any outstanding charge you have on record. All IRCC is trying to figure out is whether you are criminally admissible in Canada. See https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/inadmissibility.html

And if you are not, then you can consider applying for rehabilitation. see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5312-rehabilitation-persons-inadmissible-canada-past-criminal-activity.html

It will all depend on whether the charges were withdrawn and if not, then what was the nature of the change. Toronto police headquarters assuring means nothing. If a change was withdrawn you should have a document reflecting it either in the RCMP record or as a court document.
 

User2323

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Jun 26, 2020
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You will have to Sumit what you received from RCMP, and also provide any additional documents about any outstanding charge you have on record. All IRCC is trying to figure out is whether you are criminally admissible in Canada. See https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/inadmissibility.html

And if you are not, then you can consider applying for rehabilitation. see https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5312-rehabilitation-persons-inadmissible-canada-past-criminal-activity.html

It will all depend on whether the charges were withdrawn and if not, then what was the nature of the change. Toronto police headquarters assuring means nothing. If a change was withdrawn you should have a document reflecting it either in the RCMP record or as a court document.
I provided court documents with rcmp as stated in my question. I don't need rehabilitation as i was not convicted. Was charged and charges withdrawn. Like sated in my question, page 3 if my rcmp shows my charges withdrawn but page 4 shows an outstanding charge when that was withdrawn since march 2021. Apparently it takes months to update in the system so as precaution i attached court documents showing withdrawn charges for that said outstanding charge on the last page of my rcmp clearance
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
I provided court documents with rcmp as stated in my question. I don't need rehabilitation as i was not convicted. Was charged and charges withdrawn. Like sated in my question, page 3 if my rcmp shows my charges withdrawn but page 4 shows an outstanding charge when that was withdrawn since march 2021. Apparently it takes months to update in the system so as precaution i attached court documents showing withdrawn charges for that said outstanding charge on the last page of my rcmp clearance
That sound fine, just explain it in a letter and you should be good.
 

scenestrange

Hero Member
Apr 27, 2021
213
42
Category........
CEC
NOC Code......
2133
AOR Received.
23-04-2021
I had an old post on RR, re-posting it here.



Understanding “Review Required”

A lot of applicants see “review required” in their GCMS notes for eligibility. There are many theories floating around with regard to what “review required” means and if it is alarming.

Before I venture into explaining the significance, it is important to understand that each application goes through the following stages as per the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and the regulations (Canadian Immigration Law):

R10 – Completeness Check
Criminality
Medicals
A11.2 – eligibility
Security

Out of the above, the most important stage is eligibility. This is also the most time-consuming stage because your documents have to be verified, evaluated and assessed to ascertain that you meet the eligibility criteria for the program you have applied (FSW / CEC / FTW). To stream line this process and make it easier for an immigration officer (decision making authority), all applications are first evaluated by case analysts or program assistants. They review the documents and summarize it in the GCMS. If they have any concerns with any document or want the immigration officer to carefully look into a specific document, they will flag it as “review required.” It is the content of the note that is important here. If the review required is for a specific document, while the summary of the note says that an applicant has met the eligibility, or “ready to finalize” it simply means that while the applicant has met the eligibility criteria, but the specific document needs a careful examination form the officer before promoting (eligibility pass) by the officer.

However, if there are concerns, there will be a review required for the eligibility, and there will be no text to the effect “ready to finalize” or pass. The note will specifically state job duties do not match, or the employment cannot be verified, or the number of years of work experience claimed cannot be verified. This is where an application can land in muddy waters. But the final decision rests on the immigration officer. He may override the decision of the analyst / assistant or go with the analysis of the analyst / assistant.

Even in cases where the analyst / assistant is of the opinion that the applicant has met the eligibility, and there is no “review required,” the officer can replace it with his own opinion. Though rare, but it does happen. This is why the eligibility is only passed when an officer conclusively marks the eligibility as passed.

Finally, there is “review required” for PoF. This is the most common in many applications. This is because, the financial and banking practices of each country are different. Eg. Fixed deposits are know as Certificate of Deposit (CD) in the US. Similarly, treasury bonds, mutual funds, stocks, and many other investment vehicles are there. If your PoF anything other than a bank deposit, it is more likely that it will be marked as “review required.” Also, IRCC does not go by day to day fluctuations in FOREX. Instead, the Canadian federal government issued a quarterly conversion rate for all FOREX vis-a-via CAD. If your PoF is in a foreign currency, then you may have “review required” for the officer to make a determination.

Just because you have “review required” does not mean that you hit the panic mode. Instead, read the context in which it is there. If there is a concern regarding a document, you can send a replacement document via CSE. The most common reasons for RR are:

1. Work reference letter without job duties
2. Work reference letters missing all the details requested by IRCC
3. If you submitted a letter from a colleague because you were unable to get one from your employer, but did not have a LoE on file, this too will lead to RR.
4. Not sufficient work experience in the primary NOC.
5. Inability to verify your employment as your employer details are missing.

There are just some of the scenarios.
Thanks @legalfalcon for the detailed information
 
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The extension once sent cannot be extended. Any extensions or further extensions, all have to be sought within the first 30 days. To calculate the time frame, start the calculation from the next business day your request was submitted.

Also, if the extension was for 90 days, in addition to the 30 days, then it is a total of 120 days from the day the request was filed. If the extension was for 60 days beyond the 30 days, then the total days are 90 from the day the request is filed.

Also, all time and date calculations are based on Canadian ET and not your local time if you are not in Canada.
This was 90 days after the 30 days. I think with the worst case calculations today shoudl have been the 120 day mark. What would happen if nothing happens after this time has elapsed?
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
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Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
This was 90 days after the 30 days. I think with the worst case calculations today shoudl have been the 120 day mark. What would happen if nothing happens after this time has elapsed?
In most cases the GCMS notes are released on or before the extension expires. There may be rare instances where a request is still pending, and that is so, reaching out to IRCC usually resolves it within a few days.
 

PauR20

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Jun 17, 2020
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Dear @legalfalcon
I would like to ask for your guidance on my application.

status:
FSW- outland
AOR aug 2019
Added spouse dec 2019
Added child 1 Feb 2021
medical of child 1 done
awaiting biometrics request of my wife.
Gcm notes: recommended passed(eligibility)
**Medical of applicant and spouse- passed expired

I’m anticipating that FSW applications will be processed again this July. And so, I plan to do an upfront medical exam for me and my spouse this July. However, I recently found out that she is pregnant with child #2 (due date Feb 2022)

My question:
1) Will being pregnant now further delay our application since spouse will have to wait for xray test after birth? will this mean, our application will be paused since we need to complete my spouse X-ray which can only be done after giving birth to child#2?

2) do they issue remedical for all expired medical applicant due to Covid delay or is medical automatically renewed?

We have been waiting for 22 months already since AOR and cannot wait to be in canada. Is there a way that we can be issued PPR/COPR even if my wife’s remedical won’t have an X-ray test?

should I not take an upfront medical and hope that canada immigration will just extend our medical?

What do you think will happen and what do you suggest we do?

Thank you @legalfalcon. Appreciate you response and guidance.
 

legalfalcon

VIP Member
Sep 21, 2015
19,048
9,916
Montréal, Quebec, Canada
Category........
FSW
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
4112
App. Filed.......
03-09-2015
Doc's Request.
01-10-2015
AOR Received.
03-09-2015
Med's Done....
17-08-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
VISA ISSUED...
12-04-2016
LANDED..........
05-05-2016
Dear @legalfalcon
I would like to ask for your guidance on my application.

status:
FSW- outland
AOR aug 2019
Added spouse dec 2019
Added child 1 Feb 2021
medical of child 1 done
awaiting biometrics request of my wife.
Gcm notes: recommended passed(eligibility)
**Medical of applicant and spouse- passed expired

I’m anticipating that FSW applications will be processed again this July. And so, I plan to do an upfront medical exam for me and my spouse this July. However, I recently found out that she is pregnant with child #2 (due date Feb 2022)

My question:
1) Will being pregnant now further delay our application since spouse will have to wait for xray test after birth? will this mean, our application will be paused since we need to complete my spouse X-ray which can only be done after giving birth to child#2?

2) do they issue remedical for all expired medical applicant due to Covid delay or is medical automatically renewed?

We have been waiting for 22 months already since AOR and cannot wait to be in canada. Is there a way that we can be issued PPR/COPR even if my wife’s remedical won’t have an X-ray test?

should I not take an upfront medical and hope that canada immigration will just extend our medical?

What do you think will happen and what do you suggest we do?

Thank you @legalfalcon. Appreciate you response and guidance.
1. If you are asked for new medicals for your spouse, then as per the protocol she will not be able to provide a chest x-ray.
See See https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=987&top=4
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/department/partner/pp/pdf/imm5733e.pdf

Unless the X-ray is provided, the medical results will not be processed.

2. However, this is only if a remed is requested. In many cases IRCC is extending the medicals as per policy. See my previous post on this at #13,193

3. Currently, you cannot get upfront medicals done. As per the new policy in place, panel physicians have been asked not to give appointments unless the applicants has a letter from IRCC. If IRCC asks you to get new medicals, you will be sent a medical requisition letter.