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Rebeca.hochman

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Canada PR app still insisting cut off will be 469-471 tomorrow. Bold suggestion, but is it totally out of place?
I believe the next couple of draws points will be higher than 469-471 due to the French language “bonus” this will increase the cut-off score plus there is a 2 weeks gap in draw which also collaborates to an increase in points, but hopefully by December or Jan/21 we will return to this average 469-471
 
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abqalhamairi

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I know people who should have been blocked from reapplying, this person is not one of them.

It can happen that a document in your dossier can't be obtained, hardly a reason to say something like this.
When you take out a person’s place who might be desperate for, without using your chance, you should not be able to repeat that for a while in my opinion. He/She can reject their ITA every two weeks without repercussion!
having a mandatory waiting period for rejecting your ITA is no brainer, and if it was implemented, no one will argue against it.
 

cheenu1981

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Until we have the next draw, only those with provincial nominations are clear. We remain hopeful.
I believe the next couple of draws points will be higher than 469-471 due to the French language “bonus” this will increase the cut-off score plus there is a 2 weeks gap in draw which also collaborates to an increase in points, but hopefully by December or Jan/21 we will return to this average 469-471
I believe the next couple of draws points will be higher than 469-471 due to the French language “bonus” this will increase the cut-off score plus there is a 2 weeks gap in draw which also collaborates to an increase in points, but hopefully by December or Jan/21 we will return to this average 469-471
Seems like a good interpretation of the situation but what score range is your prediction for Tom if not 468-471
 

Carmen01

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Good to know everyone here waiting for ITA has got complete documentation and I am happy for you.
I did due diligence,crossed all my Ts and tried to dot this particular i, it just didn’t work out. It’s better to decline that to have a loaded LOE explaining yourself back and forth.

I wish everyone the best!!
 

Emman O.

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We should remember all 471+ were cleared off in the last draw. So for cut off to be 472+, it means that 4500 candidates must join the pool in 3 weeks with scores above 471.

Personally, I feel despite the French hullabaloo and the one week delay, we can't have more than 5000 candidates with 471+. So cut off will be between 471-472 still.

If it happened last week, it would have been 469 or 470.


In September, an average of 2900 enters the pool in two weeks. The spike in October is what I still can't find a reason for.
 
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abqalhamairi

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We should remember all 471+ were cleared off in the last draw. So for cut off to be 472+, it means that 4500 candidates must join the pool in 3 weeks with scores above 471.

Personally, I feel despite the French hullabaloo and the one week delay, we can't have more than 5000 candidates with 471+. So cut off will be between 471-472 still.

If it happened last week, it would have been 469 or 470.


In September, an average of 2900 enters the pool in two weeks. The spike in October is what I still can't find a reason for.
Not all 471+ Candidates were cleared, only the ones with a profile made earlier than 1st of September. That leaves us two months and one week of profiles saturation which most probable will give us 471 draw again with a more recent cut off date.
 

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Without doubt, I believe that anyone who rejects ITA should be blocked from reapplying for 6 months.
The next time you reach for a frying pan and flinch on realising it is too hot, perhaps we should all force you to keeping holding on to it simply because you had previously expressed the desire to grab it. If someone has suddenly realised that they cannot make a complete application with their current ITA, you want to punish them for choosing not to make a mistake knowingly—sounds ridiculous. Besides, I don't understand why people think someone declining an ITA is wasting a ticket that could have been used by someone else? To my understanding, if your CRS is not above the draw cut-off, then you would not have gotten an ITA even if the person declining their ITA had never been in the pool. So I don't understand what the problem is. Perhaps I am missing something here.
 
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tuxarc

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The next time you reach for a frying pan and flinch on realising it is too hot, perhaps we should all force you to keeping holding on to it simply because you had previously expressed the desire to grab it. If someone has suddenly realised that they cannot make a complete application with their current ITA, you want to punish them for choosing not to make a mistake knowingly—sounds ridiculous. Besides, I don't understand why people think someone declining an ITA is wasting a ticket that could have been used by someone else? To my understanding, if your CRS is not above the draw cut-off, then you would not have gotten an ITA even if the person declining their ITA had never been in the pool. So I don't understand what the problem is. Perhaps I am missing something here.
The draw cut-off is calculated based on the score and submission date of the 4500th best individual. So, if an ITA invitee didn't take part in the draw, the 4501st best individual would receive an ITA instead. But I guess that this is a small percentage of people who are in the pool, otherwise IRCC would find a way to address it. The pan metaphor was great :p
 

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The draw cut-off is calculated based on the score and submission date of the 4500th best individual. So, if an ITA invitee didn't take part in the draw, the 4501st best individual would receive an ITA instead. But I guess that this is a small percentage of people who are in the pool, otherwise IRCC would find a way to address it. The pan metaphor was great :p
Yes, this is the bit I was unsure about. Got it, thanks for explaining. It would be good if there were a waitlist system so that the 4501st best individual gets an invite automatically on the day someone declines an ITA. I don't think this would be too difficult a mechanism to design within the system.
 
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abqalhamairi

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Yes, this is the bit I was unsure about. Got it, thanks for explaining. It would be good if there were a waitlist system so that the 4501st best individual gets an invite automatically on the day someone declines an ITA. I don't think this would be too difficult a mechanism to design within the system.
Its funny how you changed your point of view once you understood that by rejecting an ITA you simply take that 4501 guy’s place, who might in fact lose points to age before the next draw and never have another chance to immigrate. As I said, if this rule was applied, no one would say its “bone headed rule”. All of us will simply accept it and see its fair, and perhaps, prepare our things before hand.
 

mknox

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Its funny how you changed your point of view once you understood that by rejecting an ITA you simply take that 4501 guy’s place, who might in fact lose points to age before the next draw and never have another chance to immigrate. As I said, if this rule was applied, no one would say its “bone headed rule”. All of us will simply accept it and see its fair, and perhaps, prepare our things before hand.
I did not change my point of view in the slightest. I asked how it might affect others and someone explained that. I sympathise, however, my objections to your stance remain exactly the same as before. Just because somebody making the right decision for themselves sucks for you—and I understand why it sucks—that does not mean they owe it to you to make the wrong decision for themselves in order for you to benefit. And I will not be surprised if IRCC ever did come up with a "rule" such as the kind that you are suggesting, but I would definitely call it bone-headed if they do.

IRCC: "You've got an invite, this is it! Now even if you've made a major error somewhere or cannot give us the documents that we are asking for, you MUST waste our time and your time by applying, and then we will likely reject it. Why? Because you promised you'd apply! A faulty application is better than no application at all. So you better apply and jeopardise yourself knowingly, otherwise, we will penalise you.

You seem to not understand the difference between an invitation and an application. An EE profile is not an application, rather, it receives an invitation to apply. Invitations, by definition, can be accepted or declined without penalty.
 
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