Citizenship test: Collective action required, or expect endless delays, years. Example of the effective lobbyng of people awaiting spousal sponsorship

[piotrqc]

Exactly, from what I’ve read all of the people here agreed that writing to their MP would be helpful, this has nothing to do with the more unasserted rhetoric he has been pushing (including public demonstrations in the middle of the second wave of Covid) and yet he is trying to claim it a his own victory... anyway I’m glad that Jenny started speaking up, let’s hope this brings us results soon!

I am not the organizer ... But I would be lying if I told you that it does not make me happy that it happens.

All authorizations have been obtained for both locations in Toronto and Montreal according to the organizers.

The sanitary rules will be respected.

Demonstrations are not banned until now, that's all there is to know ... You can just ignore the events if you are not interested.

Spousals sponsors had demonstrated without a problem. (And they got what they wanted).

I remind that the events will not be in closed places + I also want to add that the number does not count, not as much as the media noise.

... What do you suggest, that we wait a few years until the union considers that the code 699 is no longer necessary, at their convenience?

If you don't mind waiting for years and years, that horrifies me (even more with the prospect of a majority Conservative government that could cancel all files retroactively).

, Piotr.

**** Links for sanitary rules in Toronto and Montreal :

https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19/covid-19-what-you-should-do/covid-19-orders-directives-by-laws/

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/gatherings-events-covid19/

 

[piotrqc]

Great news! Is this available on any links on NDP or the MP website that we can reference? Thinking of referencing this with my current MP again and would be good to get some sort of official link for this that I can include in the communication.

As I have already stated, I am not the organizer. The two captures of the deputy's answer were posted by the organizer of the movement himself in the group concerning citizenship tests on social networks (Mp if you want details, the moderators of this platform do not tolerate the promotion direct). He had received this in his email box.

I checked the social media and the official site of the deputy and the ndp, it just looks like it's not updated yet. I leave here the link of its official site for later consultation, it will publish the update certainly very soon:

https://www.jennykwanndp.ca/

 

[Das67]

One of the reasons why being a Canadian citizen is much better than just being happy to be pr.
life is so unpredictable and anything can happen. This man did not wake up in the morning that day and thought, I am going to be responsible for the death of sixteen innocent people and injure 13 more. If you really want to make Canada your home ( live, raise your kids, and die here ) get your citizenship as soon as possible, life is unpredictable.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/truck-driver-responsible-for-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash-fighting-deportation-1.5166935?fbclid=IwAR28zP-CqZxRks6slCvycdOs_cFTS-RwDG9HRhub49qG3J9g9aSL0FsYxDQ

 

[vegasIndian]

One of the reasons why being a Canadian citizen is much better than just being happy to be pr.
life is so unpredictable and anything can happen. This man did not wake up in the morning that day and thought, I am going to be responsible for the death of sixteen innocent people and injure 13 more. If you really want to make Canada your home ( live, raise your kids, and die here ) get your citizenship as soon as possible, life is unpredictable.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/truck-driver-responsible-for-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash-fighting-deportation-1.5166935?fbclid=IwAR28zP-CqZxRks6slCvycdOs_cFTS-RwDG9HRhub49qG3J9g9aSL0FsYxDQ

Lol. And you think staying in Jail in Canada is better than being deported to your country? You have really high standards buddy!!

 

[Das67]

Lol. And you think staying in Jail in Canada is better than being deported to your country? You have really high standards buddy!!

you did not get the point, did you? if you have been following this thread since the beginning you should have noticed people asking why is so urgent to be a Canadian as being a pr is good enough. Being a Canadian after your jail time you can still rebuild your life here while on the other hand you will be sent home and lose everything you build here maybe leave your family behind. My post is not about being happy in jail but what happens to you after your jail time. Maybe you need more reading and comprehension of the subject bud...
Peace!

 

[Dana.D]

you did not get the point, did you? if you have been following this thread since the beginning you should notice people asking why is so urgent to be a Canadian as being a pr is good enough. Being a Canadian after your jail time you can still rebuild your life here while on the other end you will be sent home and lose everything you build here maybe leave your family behind. My post is not about being happy in jail but what happens to you after your jail time. Maybe you need more reading and comprehension of the subject bud...
Peace !

The Vegas Indian is a hopeless case so I highly recommend that you refrain from arguing with him because it is a big waste of time. It is literally like talking to a one-year old (with all respect of course lol)

 

[Coco7]

I am not the organizer ... But I would be lying if I told you that it does not make me happy that it happens.

All authorizations have been obtained for both locations in Toronto and Montreal according to the organizers.

The sanitary rules will be respected.

Demonstrations are not banned until now, that's all there is to know ... You can just ignore the events if you are not interested.

Spousals sponsors had demonstrated without a problem. (And they got what they wanted).

I remind that the events will not be in closed places + I also want to add that the number does not count, not as much as the media noise.

... What do you suggest, that we wait a few years until the union considers that the code 699 is no longer necessary, at their convenience?

If you don't mind waiting for years and years, that horrifies me (even more with the prospect of a majority Conservative government that could cancel all files retroactively).

, Piotr.

**** Links for sanitary rules in Toronto and Montreal :

https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19/covid-19-what-you-should-do/covid-19-orders-directives-by-laws/

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/gatherings-events-covid19/

There you go again, comparing yourself with the spousal sponsorship program...
And even if Public demonstrations are allowed, they are not the most sensitive thing to do right now , they can backfire pretty easily.

 

[sarafandee]

See you at the protest in Montreal!

 

[Das67]

See you at the protest in Montreal!

That is the spirit

 

[Seym]

One of the reasons why being a Canadian citizen is much better than just being happy to be pr.
life is so unpredictable and anything can happen. This man did not wake up in the morning that day and thought, I am going to be responsible for the death of sixteen innocent people and injure 13 more. If you really want to make Canada your home ( live, raise your kids, and die here ) get your citizenship as soon as possible, life is unpredictable.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/truck-driver-responsible-for-humboldt-broncos-bus-crash-fighting-deportation-1.5166935?fbclid=IwAR28zP-CqZxRks6slCvycdOs_cFTS-RwDG9HRhub49qG3J9g9aSL0FsYxDQ

Regardless of this being an argument over the importance of getting the citizenship ASAP or not, it's quite the difference between this fella and Scott Moe.
They pretty much did the exact same thing.
Poor guy...

As for Jenny Kwan's letter, hope this gets actual traction.
Curious to see what the minister's answer will be.

 

[LudoZ]

you did not get the point, did you? if you have been following this thread since the beginning you should have noticed people asking why is so urgent to be a Canadian as being a pr is good enough. Being a Canadian after your jail time you can still rebuild your life here while on the other hand you will be sent home and lose everything you build here maybe leave your family behind. My post is not about being happy in jail but what happens to you after your jail time. Maybe you need more reading and comprehension of the subject bud...
Peace!

I don't think that arguing that we need citizenship now rather than later so we can avoid getting deported in case we were to commit a crime is going to win us much sympathy...

 

[Das67]

I don't think that arguing that we need citizenship now rather than later so we can avoid getting deported in case we were to commit a crime is going to win us much sympathy...

I didn't say the argument should be used to convince IRCC to resume testing as soon as possible. What I was trying to share here is why it's always better to be a citizen of the country you are calling home now and you are investing in. Always better to be a citizen ASAP than just being happy to be a pr, anything can happen in life. No one in good mental health even a citizen will commit a crime just because he is a citizen and hopes to get away with it. An accident does happen and with the link I shared you can see even a premier of SK was involved in a traffic accident.

 

[vegasIndian]

The Vegas Indian is a hopeless case so I highly recommend that you refrain from arguing with him because it is a big waste of time. It is literally like talking to a one-year old (with all respect of course lol)

Says the person who wants citizenship to travel to UK....Lol

 

[vegasIndian]

you did not get the point, did you? if you have been following this thread since the beginning you should have noticed people asking why is so urgent to be a Canadian as being a pr is good enough. Being a Canadian after your jail time you can still rebuild your life here while on the other hand you will be sent home and lose everything you build here maybe leave your family behind. My post is not about being happy in jail but what happens to you after your jail time. Maybe you need more reading and comprehension of the subject bud...
Peace!

The point is valid when you compare to something where its false accusations or driving under influence which doesn't involve any jail time but effects your case for Citizenship.

But for something so serious, even if committed unintentionally, I would value my freedom more than staying in Jail. You just made a case to why not take citizenship if you are planning to do something serious crime activity.

 

[piotrqc]

I didn't say the argument should be used to convince IRCC to resume testing as soon as possible. What I was trying to share here is why it's always better to be a citizen of the country you are calling home now and you are investing in. Always better to be a citizen ASAP than just being happy to be a pr, anything can happen in life. No one in good mental health even a citizen will commit a crime just because he is a citizen and hopes to get away with it. An accident does happen and with the link I shared you can see even a premier of SK was involved in a traffic accident.

I must say that I agree with our friend @LudoZ ...

It is not very smart to invoke reasoning like that, even in total "good intention", without premeditated, or possibly premeditated, malice.

We must not forget that our ideological opponents, the racists, and the xenophobes feed on this. It will also not be surprising that they monitor this kind of forum (They have already intervened in this same thread to ask us to `` return home '' with newly created profiles, before the moderators remove them. .. But I had time to see a few).

I would go further: Even arguments like “I want citizenship to be able to go to the USA more easily”, and even more “To be able to work elsewhere without worrying about the residency obligation” is also totally stupid as reason ... You have to be smart, and put yourself in the shoes of these ideoligical opponents, and give them NO CHANCE to attack us.

Besides, on the same subject, I spoke with the organizer of the demonstrations planned for next month, and I told him that one had to insist on one and only thing in the messages that people are going to send in their written banners, slogans, or possible statements to the press: Our only goal and motivation to have Canadian nationality is our love of Canada. Our family and sentimental attachments here, our children, our life is here, etc ...

... Citing the reason for fairness in the labor market, and access to certain jobs IN CANADA requiring citizenship can be an equally valid argument, I think.

Citizenship is a vector of integration for several legitimate and laudable reasons ...

But even if you think deep down about the bad ones (or who may be seen as such by ideological opponents), keep them to yourself. Please.

, Piotr.