Misrepresentation by government?

[hgyt6754]

1. I keep reading various misrepresentation cases in this forum. Some of them could be unknowingly committing misrepresentation due to lack of awareness and lack of knowledge on consequence of committing a misrepresentation. Or, they might not even be aware that there was going to be a misrepresentation. This is also given the culture in some parts of the world. The thinking could be that “it is Canada government responsibility to find out as they were doing background checks anyway”. This makes me think why can’t Canadian government come up with a standard checklist and attach to PR application on do’s and don’t s of misrepresentation with examples gathered so far explaining consequences of misrepresentation. This will help some poor souls (not intentional fraudsters) double check their filled in forms prior to submission and not suffer consequences after entering the Canada losing precious time and money in the process.

2.Secondly, Canadian government recognizes and allocates points to university credentials of third world countries and admits PR applicants into the country. Whereas, the same university credentials are not recognized by Canadian industry and many PR holders thus have to work as security guards and other lesser jobs after entering Canada which is not what they expected for their qualifications.

Is this not a massive misrepresentation by Canadian government over decades when it has hidden the fact that Canadian industry does not recognize the university credentials of third world countries and PR holders would be jobless after entering Canada or would have to work low pay jobs? Who will make Canada government accountable and take action against Canadian government for this misrepresentation. International court?

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Noone is forcing you to migrate to Canada. Canadian government's criteria is for immigration purposes not a guarantee of job or success in finding a job. They cannot force private companies to hire certain individuals. If foreigners are not being hired by companies then that tells you that there are better alternative candidates.

 

[Rahul81]

1. I keep reading various misrepresentation cases in this forum. Some of them could be unknowingly committing misrepresentation due to lack of awareness and lack of knowledge on consequence of committing a misrepresentation. Or, they might not even be aware that there was going to be a misrepresentation. This is also given the culture in some parts of the world. The thinking could be that “it is Canada government responsibility to find out as they were doing background checks anyway”. This makes me think why can’t Canadian government come up with a standard checklist and attach to PR application on do’s and don’t s of misrepresentation with examples gathered so far explaining consequences of misrepresentation. This will help some poor souls (not intentional fraudsters) double check their filled in forms prior to submission and not suffer consequences after entering the Canada losing precious time and money in the process.

2.Secondly, Canadian government recognizes and allocates points to university credentials of third world countries and admits PR applicants into the country. Whereas, the same university credentials are not recognized by Canadian industry and many PR holders thus have to work as security guards and other lesser jobs after entering Canada which is not what they expected for their qualifications.

Is this not a massive misrepresentation by Canadian government over decades when it has hidden the fact that Canadian industry does not recognize the university credentials of third world countries and PR holders would be jobless after entering Canada or would have to work low pay jobs? Who will make Canada government accountable and take action against Canadian government for this misrepresentation. International court?

The whole idea of inviting immigrants is to move country forward as country has ageing population and growth is less. But at same time the focus of corporates here is to hire the Canadians first and some migrants at low end jobs or some admin jobs who have some local experience. But yes it’s common sense if you cannot hire immigrants how they are going to get so called local experience. Question no one can answer but that’s head ache of new immigrants and not of government. Of course many people will say no one is asking you to come here. I am sure if you had proper opportunities back home you would not even think of coming here. Live like King in your country and not like second grade citizen in other country. Don’t tell me that people here are welcoming etc. , you will face those bias in every walk of life.

You will be asked to upgrade Your skills which match market etc and spend money (believe me taking money and training immigrants for some basic skills is another industry which is prospering here).

Still wondering why skill sets people gain in other countries are not accepted here, as if immigrants are landing from other planets. I was surprised when some of my friends who were software professionals from Silicon Valley were denied second round of interview just for lack of local experience. Come on job consultants have some knowledge and basic sense. Silicon Valley drives entire world.

My conclusion is immigrants are at own risk and not expect much when they arrive here. All immigrations are not success stories as many people return an$ some accept their fate and continue.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

The whole idea of inviting immigrants is to move country forward as country has ageing population and growth is less. But at same time the focus of corporates here is to hire the Canadians first and some migrants at low end jobs or some admin jobs who have some local experience. But yes it’s common sense if you cannot hire immigrants how they are going to get so called local experience. Question no one can answer but that’s head ache of new immigrants and not of government. Of course many people will say no one is asking you to come here. I am sure if you had proper opportunities back home you would not even think of coming here. Live like King in your country and not like second grade citizen in other country. Don’t tell me that people here are welcoming etc. , you will face those bias in every walk of life.

You will be asked to upgrade Your skills which match market etc and spend money (believe me taking money and training immigrants for some basic skills is another industry which is prospering here).

Still wondering why skill sets people gain in other countries are not accepted here, as if immigrants are landing from other planets. I was surprised when some of my friends who were software professionals from Silicon Valley were denied second round of interview just for lack of local experience. Come on job consultants have some knowledge and basic sense. Silicon Valley drives entire world.

My conclusion is immigrants are at own risk and not expect much when they arrive here. All immigrations are not success stories as many people return an$ some accept their fate and continue.

In many instances it is not a question of skill-set but rather cultural fit. For instance, in an event held by a top tier company that I attended, a recent PR (Indian that lived in UAE) suggested that to address the issue of hit and runs in Toronto, Canada should implement a blood money system similar to that of the UAE. The whole room was stunned because of that suggestion and eventually his team did not win that competition. Some people are out of touch with what is expected hence why employers don't want to take a chance

 

[Rahul81]

In many instances it is not a question of skill-set but rather cultural fit. For instance, in an event held by a top tier company that I attended, a recent PR (Indian that lived in UAE) suggested that to address the issue of hit and runs in Toronto, Canada should implement a blood money system similar to that of the UAE. The whole room was stunned because of that suggestion and eventually his team did not win that competition. Some people are out of touch with what is expected hence why employers don't want to take a chance

May be that man forgot to tell that in UAE it’s zero intolerance for drink and drive whereas in Canada people roam freely even after drinking, so I agree he is not coming out of that culture.

May be he also forgot to tell that UAE is crime free and how much of that is prevelant here. That person will get used to it as he took risk of coming in here and no one invited him or forced him.

I agree cultural fit plays an important factor even though people resist for some positive changes you intend to bring in society.

It’s not about taking chance but I see That the immigrants are over qualified and possess skills more than what they need to perform here that’s what put them in backseat.

My suggestion to some of friends have been to cut short their skill sets or else they will never get jobs as most of times companies cannot afford you and most of times the companies don’t deserve you. But still you have to earn living so cut short on skills you are including on your profile. HArd fact but have to live with it

 

[hgyt6754]

Noone is forcing you to migrate to Canada. Canadian government's criteria is for immigration purposes not a guarantee of job or success in finding a job. They cannot force private companies to hire certain individuals. If foreigners are not being hired by companies then that tells you that there are better alternative candidates.

none is forcing people to migrate to Canada. Agreed. But people are lured to migrate to Canada with the promise of good life. What’s the point in luring people to migrate on skilled programme if government cannot show jobs? How can a government keep quiet when it recognizes other country university credentials and allows immigrants to come in, whereas, government is silent when it’s private sector does not recognize those same credentials and deny immigrants jobs? Is this not a misrepresentation by government?
If that’s the case why not government just limit immigration programme to just investor class?

 

[Rahul81]

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none is forcing people to migrate to Canada. Agreed. But people are lured to migrate to Canada with the promise of good life. What’s the point in luring people to migrate on skilled programme if government cannot show jobs? How can a government keep quiet when it recognizes other country university credentials and allows immigrants to come in, whereas, government is silent when it’s private sector does not recognize those same credentials and deny immigrants jobs? Is this not a misrepresentation by government?
If that’s the case why not government just limit immigration programme to just investor class?

I agree because in first case government needs money from you but when it comes to delivery you are expected to do your own due diligence

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

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I agree because in first case government needs money from you but when it comes to delivery you are expected to do your own due diligence

That's how life works. Not everything is fair. Those who are very qualified will no doubt find appropriate. Those who cannot compete will have to do with minimum wage jobs. Either way, the government wins

 

[bellaluna]

Super anecdotal and just one man's opinion, sure, but I spoke to a recruiter with 50+ years of recruiting experience, and he said that the "no Canadian work experience" reason is just a polite way of rejection, and employers/recruiters lie all the time as to why they're not hiring you.

I agree as above, it's all about a culture fit most of the time.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

May be that man forgot to tell that in UAE it’s zero intolerance for drink and drive whereas in Canada people roam freely even after drinking, so I agree he is not coming out of that culture.

May be he also forgot to tell that UAE is crime free and how much of that is prevelant here. That person will get used to it as he took risk of coming in here and no one invited him or forced him.

I agree cultural fit plays an important factor even though people resist for some positive changes you intend to bring in society.

It’s not about taking chance but I see That the immigrants are over qualified and possess skills more than what they need to perform here that’s what put them in backseat.

My suggestion to some of friends have been to cut short their skill sets or else they will never get jobs as most of times companies cannot afford you and most of times the companies don’t deserve you. But still you have to earn living so cut short on skills you are including on your profile. HArd fact but have to live with it

Famous quote: When in Rome, do as Romans do. Same in Canada, don't come to Canada and expect them to accommodate to you or your background. They don't want you to change things (whether good or bad)

 

[Rahul81]

That's how life works. Not everything is fair. Those who are very qualified will no doubt find appropriate. Those who cannot compete will have to do with minimum wage jobs. Either way, the government wins

Yes I agree, but such sg

Famous quote: When in Rome, do as Romans do. Same in Canada, don't come to Canada and expect them to accommodate to you or your background. They don't want you to change things (whether good or bad)

I agree for everything but some rules do apply to all civilised socities and cultures, unless some one tells me this how they have to behave this way only. So we should state that in our note welcoming immigrants

To all prospective immigrants- This is a great Country which has laws for your safety but these are confined to books, our people don’t follow and make mockery of law which is part of their culture. We understand this is bad and we acknowledge it and now it’s up to you if you want to participate or not.

With no offences I am not talking about background but some ground rules which exists in all places.

 

[jweekend]

none is forcing people to migrate to Canada. Agreed. But people are lured to migrate to Canada with the promise of good life. What’s the point in luring people to migrate on skilled programme if government cannot show jobs? How can a government keep quiet when it recognizes other country university credentials and allows immigrants to come in, whereas, government is silent when it’s private sector does not recognize those same credentials and deny immigrants jobs? Is this not a misrepresentation by government?
If that’s the case why not government just limit immigration programme to just investor class?

Go ahead and sue the government of Canada if you think they are unjustifiably discriminating against you or treating you unfairly.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Let me use an analogy to illustrate my opinion. Canada is the medium sized suburban home while US is the mansion. Canada doesn't have many rooms but will still take people in so they can sleep in the floor. Of course it is too much to expect them to give up their master bedroom and other rooms when they need them for their own family but they hope that with your skillset, you can contribute to this home by building a new room or a fountain. Yet, they will take you in and hopefully you can be the gardener and one day perhaps own your own room. The US has many rooms that it cannot fill by itself but still doesn't take in people unless the individual is already a genius. If you are already accustomed to a high life in your own home then this won't appeal to you but if you come from a bad neighborhood then you will appreciate this opportunity. Hope you could get my point from this

 

[hgyt6754]

Let me use an analogy to illustrate my opinion. Canada is the medium sized suburban home while US is the mansion. Canada doesn't have many rooms but will still take people in so they can sleep in the floor. Of course it is too much to expect them to give up their master bedroom and other rooms when they need them for their own family but they hope that with your skillset, you can contribute to this home by building a new room or a fountain. Yet, they will take you in and hopefully you can be the gardener and one day perhaps own your own room. The US has many rooms that it cannot fill by itself but still doesn't take in people unless the individual is already a genius. If you are already accustomed to a high life in your own home then this won't appeal to you but if you come from a bad neighborhood then you will appreciate this opportunity. Hope you could get my point from this

Yes. Be transparent upfront and tell immigrants that rooms cannot be shared and immigrants would have to sleep on the floor instead of main rooms. If they still want to come they are welcome to come in.

the question is, why so many skilled category immigrants are being admitted every year when there are not enough jobs for them and when their credentials and experience are not recognized by Canadian private sector and are having to struggle finding jobs. This is a misrepresentation by the government.

 

[Rahul81]

Yes. Be transparent upfront and tell immigrants that rooms cannot be shared and immigrants would have to sleep on the floor instead of main rooms. If they still want to come they are welcome to come in.

the question is, why so many skilled category immigrants are being admitted every year when there are not enough jobs for them and when their credentials and experience are not recognized by Canadian private sector and are having to struggle finding jobs. This is a misrepresentation by the government.

Yes I agree with your response above, may be example quoted above is half fact. Basically we are talking about a building which is Canada which has limited rooms available already occupied by people, now the govt needs money to maintain the building and most of the occupants are not doing work and instead the govt has to pay the existing old occupants for staying in the building.

Now the govt shows prospective occupants the building structure and tell prospective occupants that you eligible to occupy those rooms in buildings, but the moment occupants come inside they are being asked to sleep on floors or construct rooms on their own which for sure they know many will fail. The ones failing will loose fortune and return back home and one staying will learn to occupy room over period of time or over one generation.

The issue with govt is that they cannot even tell prospective occupants that it’s fully occupied and no capacity because if they do it than who will pay money to maintain building and prospective occupants will run away.