Using foreign PhD as work experience

[Mikem86]

Hey guys,

I've seen many in this this thread say that for a PhD experience to be counted as job experience, apart from the monthly salary and matching the job duties, one needs to have been officially employed as a staff, and definitely not as a student. Anyhow, I highly doubt that this interpretation is true, for it being inconsistent to what described as "Employment Requirement" of NOC 4012 below. It specifically states "Enrolment in, or completion of, a university or college program is required" that is obviously inclusive of those who gained their PhD while classified as student. Please take note that it says "enrollment" and not "employment"; it also says towards completion of a degree or college program that is the very definition of being a student.

https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/50b4aff45261483bb8702aca23aebb3e?objectid=buul54bcKQOyTXnxfAeFNlLDrXND8+mLCtkS+2LVAxZ4jMoEisp3E5gtOS0ouBip

 

[mbaleine]

Hey guys,

I've seen many in this this thread say that for a PhD experience to be counted as job experience, apart from the monthly salary and matching the job duties, one needs to have been officially employed as a staff, and definitely not as a student. Anyhow, I highly doubt that this interpretation is true, for it being inconsistent to what described as "Employment Requirement" of NOC 4012 below. It specifically states "Enrolment in, or completion of, a university or college program is required" that is obviously inclusive of those who gained their PhD while classified as student. Please take note that it says "enrollment" and not "employment"; it also says towards completion of a degree or college program that is the very definition of being a student.

https://noc.esdc.gc.ca/Structure/NocProfile/50b4aff45261483bb8702aca23aebb3e?objectid=buul54bcKQOyTXnxfAeFNlLDrXND8+mLCtkS+2LVAxZ4jMoEisp3E5gtOS0ouBip

For FSW, it's perfectly okay if NOC4012 experience was obtained while being a student. Different story for CEC though.

Direct copy & paste from EE-FSW operation bulletin:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/permanent-residence/economic-classes/federal-skilled-workers/assessing-applications-against-minimum-requirements.html

Minimum work experience requirement

Note: The applicant does not need to demonstrate that they meet the “employment requirements” listed in the NOC occupational description.

 

[magi4christ]

Yes it will be counted as work experience. Provide me with ur email id i will send thr reference letter required for this purpose.

Could you please forward the reference format to magi4christ@gmail.com. Many thanks in advance.

 

[sufonama]

Hi all,

Continuing the same topic, I want to know whether someone has successfully claimed points for work experience as well as education out of their European PhD?

 

[mohoozee]

Hi all,

Continuing the same topic, I want to know whether someone has successfully claimed points for work experience as well as education out of their European PhD?

Yes, I did. However, that was back in 2017 and I don't know if the rules have changed much since then.

 

[egam189]

Hi all,

Continuing the same topic, I want to know whether someone has successfully claimed points for work experience as well as education out of their European PhD?

Hi I can see from my GCMS notes that my foreign PhD work has been accepted as a work experience (even my Canadian research visit with a work permit was accepted as Canadian work experience) but I have not graduated with PhD yet so I did not claim points for education (only my bachelor and masters).

 

[Captain2019]

Hi all,

Continuing the same topic, I want to know whether someone has successfully claimed points for work experience as well as education out of their European PhD?

Hi,
Yes, we have seen this happen last year! If you were on a work contract (i.e getting a salary, paying taxes, and your employment hours match that required for the application) in your PhD, you are eligible to claim points both for work experience and education.

Hope this helps!

 

[egam189]

Hi,
Yes, we have seen this happen last year! If you were on a work contract (i.e getting a salary, paying taxes, and your employment hours match that required for the application) in your PhD, you are eligible to claim points both for work experience and education.

Hope this helps!

Adding to the conversation: I was on a scholarship. I was even apply to claim points for my Canadian research visit as NOC 4012, because I wrote a letter of explanation and showed that I was in Canada with a valid work permit and I got paid from my home country (scholarship so not payment from my university). They accepted the work experience even though I didn't get paid in Canada

 

[sufonama]

Amazing. Thanks guys for your views.

 

[sufonama]

Hi guys, I now have 480+ points but haven't made an express entry profile yet. As I expect to get the ITA, I want to prepare all required documents first. Can someone have a say what documents are needed once ITA is issued. I know I have to have police clearance certificates, medical, passport, experience certificates, salary/tax records etc but are there any other docs that are difficult to get or take time to prepare?

 

[egam189]

Hi guys, I now have 480+ points but haven't made an express entry profile yet. As I expect to get the ITA, I want to prepare all required documents first. Can someone have a say what documents are needed once ITA is issued. I know I have to have police clearance certificates, medical, passport, experience certificates, salary/tax records etc but are there any other docs that are difficult to get or take time to prepare?

Do you have English or French exam results and did you want to get extra points for your education overseas (then they need to be assessed through WES or something else)?

 

[sufonama]

Yes, I have ECE for my PhD and also IELTS results with 8+ bands in all modules.

 

[sufonama]

Do you have English or French exam results and did you want to get extra points for your education overseas (then they need to be assessed through WES or something else)?

Yes, I have ECE for my PhD degree and IELTS result with 8+ bands in all modules

 

[egam189]

Yes, I have ECE for my PhD degree and IELTS result with 8+ bands in all modules

Great seems that you have it all sorted Start listing a timeline for your life for the past 10 years (addresses, travels, emlpyed/unemlpyed etc. They will ask these things.)

 

[sufonama]

Hello,

Anyone still concerned with this situation as of now? I will have a PhD degree from a Danish university next year. PhD fellows work full time in Denmark, get their monthly salary, are involved in teaching and certainly are on a work-permit. Would you share if you have had success getting a PR with the Danish PhD work experience?

Hi maplenow,

May I ask if you have succesfully claimed points for your Danish PhD work. I also have Danish PhD and want to claim points, thanks