Pro' of being born citizen and becoming a natural citizen

[varu19]

Hi All,

Jus wanted to check , what are the benefits of being born citizen and becoming natural citizen.?

 

[screech339]

Hi All,

Jus wanted to check , what are the benefits of being born citizen and becoming natural citizen.?

There is no difference between the two. Both have same benefits.

 

[itsmyid]

Hi All,

Jus wanted to check , what are the benefits of being born citizen and becoming natural citizen.?

Being born citizen means you can leave Canada to work/live in any country without having a bunch of people calling you citizen of convenience, even if you leave right after graduating university and taking all the benefit of free health care / education without contributing a penny to the system

 

[screech339]

Being born citizen means you can leave Canada to work/live in any country without having a bunch of people calling you citizen of convenience, even if you leave right after graduating university and taking all the benefit of free health care / education without contributing a penny to the system

Canadian born citizen (including Canadian by descent) can also be called "citizen of convenience" if they did exactly what you described.

 

[itsmyid]

Canadian born citizen can also be called "citizen of convenience" if they did exactly what you described.

Well I know tons of those and nobody called them anything

 

[screech339]

Well I know tons of those and nobody called them anything

But there is a big difference between Canadian born staying and living in Canada up to graduating university and leaving Canada right after graduating (lived in Canada approx. 25 years) to someone coming to land in Canada and leaving Canada after citizenship (minimum 3 years). That is why "Canadian born or Canadian by descent" don't get much rap compared to PR wanting to obtain citizenship as quickly as possible so they can return home asap.

 

[itsmyid]

But there is a big difference between Canadian born staying and living in Canada up to graduating university and leaving Canada right after graduating (lived in Canada approx. 25 years) to someone coming to land in Canada and leaving Canada after citizenship (minimum 3 years). That is why "Canadian born or Canadian by descent" don't get much rap compared to PR wanting to obtain citizenship as quickly as possible so they can return home asap.

Of course there is a big difference - those people probably contributed little to nothing to the system while enjoying all the benefits until they graduate, and those PRs contributed at least 3 years of taxes - we’ll, more like at last 4, since the application would take about a year, and for people changing from work permit to PR, that would be at least 5-6 years

 

[Bargeld]

Being born citizen means you can leave Canada to work/live in any country without having a bunch of people calling you citizen of convenience, even if you leave right after graduating university and taking all the benefit of free health care / education without contributing a penny to the system

I'm fairly certain that "Canadians of convenience" was a subjective politically coined term and not a legal one. The requirements of being Canadian are unambiguous in law. Whatever else anyone thinks is irrelevant until they change the wording of the law.

People will always judge, and have their own opinions. It's anyone's right not to care about their opinions.

 

[Marooned2]

Being born citizen means you can leave Canada to work/live in any country without having a bunch of people calling you citizen of convenience, even if you leave right after graduating university and taking all the benefit of free health care / education without contributing a penny to the system

Most of Canadian born citizens stay in country and contribute, if some high percentage of them want to leave the country then it means there is a problem and it should be fixed.

I also believe most of immigrants acquiring citizenship stay in country. Those who leave the instant they get passports are minority. If they are leaving, it is a problem, and Canada should see why it is not attractive enough for them to stay.

 

[robw]

No difference as of C-6

 

[keesio]

Not sure if it is similar to the US where some jobs are only open to citizens by birth (mostly federal jobs like CIA and POTUS).

 

[screech339]

Not sure if it is similar to the US where some jobs are only open to citizens by birth (mostly federal jobs like CIA and POTUS).

There are some positions that may request you to renounce your 2nd citizenship to remove "conflict of interests" perception / issue. For example PM of Canada, High security Position,

 

[keesio]

There are some positions that may request you to renounce your 2nd citizenship to remove "conflict of interests" perception / issue. For example PM of Canada, High security Position,

Are you not allowed to hold dual citizenship to be PM? Wasn't Tom Mulcair a dual citizen of Canada and France when he was leader of the NDP? I remember him getting criticism over it but I don't remember if he would be forced to renounce his French citizenship if the NDP won the most seats.

 

[screech339]

Are you not allowed to hold dual citizenship to be PM? Wasn't Tom Mulcair a dual citizen of Canada and France when he was leader of the NDP? I remember him getting criticism over it but I don't remember if he would be forced to renounce his French citizenship if the NDP won the most seats.

There is no law to prevent a dual MP from taking on position of PM of Canada. Former PM Liberal John Turner had dual citizenship (Canadian and British Born) and nobody complained about it then. Nowadays you would have some explaining to do as to why you should keep dual citizenship while holding PM position without showing "conflict of interests". Trudeau has already violated "conflict of interests" laws and he wasn't even dual.

The only reason Mulclair has gotten the rap about it is because he obtained French citizenship through his marriage to a French spouse as an adult. He wasn't born in France or obtained it as a child. There is a different between obtaining dual citizenship as a child or born into dual than someone who volunteered to obtain foreign citizenship as an adult.

 

[alphazip]

When Harper's Conservatives were in power, they pushed some ideas that were basically American in origin, such as the idea that a coalition government would be undemocratic/bordering on illegal! In fact, coalitions (as shown by the Conservative/Lib Dem coalition in Britain several years ago) are a perfectly normal part of a parliamentary system. Similarly, the idea was spread that a Canadian political leader couldn't be a dual citizen and still be loyal to Canada. This was aimed as Stephane Dion and later Tom Mulcair, both dual citizens of Canada and France.