Expired PR card crossing borders and CBSA asked to contact IRCC

[Sricand]

How similar? Do you also fail on meeting the RO? Otherwise, if you do meet the RO, it might be better to attempt to renew the PR card first...

Anyways, it seems that for OHIP (Ontario specific) you are fine as long as the PR card has been expired for less than five years.

https://settlement.org/ontario/health/ohip-and-health-insurance/health-ohip-card/what-documents-do-i-need-to-apply-for-a-health-card-ohip/



Less sure about using the expired PR card for an Ontario DL, but if you still have your copr then you should be able to get that too as per https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/driving-license-in-ontario-with-expired-pr.772504/

If that somehow didn't work out, then I'd recommend just getting an Ontario Photo ID as per https://settlement.org/ontario/daily-life/transportation/driver-s-licence/what-kind-of-id-can-i-get-if-i-don-t-have-a-driver-s-licence/#:~:text=To Apply for a Photo,date of birth and signature. - if i'm understanding https://www.ontario.ca/page/acceptable-identity-documents correctly then for the photo id card you only need your passport. And once you have the photo ID then you can use that + passport to qualify for the driver's license, without pr card, as per https://settlement.org/ontario/daily-life/transportation/driver-s-licence/how-do-i-apply-for-a-driver-s-licence-what-documents-do-i-need/ & the permanent/temporary residents section in https://drivetest.ca/licences/acceptable-id-documents/

You'd have a lot more trouble if you were trying this in BC as per https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/cant-renew-drivers-license-expired-because-pr-card-expired.802172/

Thanks of this info! My PR card expired Nov 2021. So I am not meeting RO. I did live in Ontario for 2 years- 2018 to 2020 (although irrelevant to RO now) and I had a G2 License and Health card which all expired in 2023. So, need to restart everything once I cross the land border soon.

 

[Ponga]

You need to prove residency even with the expired PR card for example your most recent Canadian tax return showing that you were working in Canada for example. You can have an expired PR card and haven’t renewed because you have no plans on leaving Canada. You would have proof that you have been residing in Canada.

The OP could use bank statements, showing `activity' (i.e. ATM or merchant transactions) local to their area, since that evidence is listed as an option for PR Card renewal.

 

[Ponga]

Thanks of this info! My PR card expired Nov 2021. So I am not meeting RO. I did live in Ontario for 2 years- 2018 to 2020 (although irrelevant to RO now) and I had a G2 License and Health card which all expired in 2023. So, need to restart everything once I cross the land border soon.

Be prepared for questions from the CBSA officer! Hopefully you will not be subject to a 44(1) report!

 

[abff08f4813c]

The OP could use bank statements, showing `activity' (i.e. ATM or merchant transactions) local to their area, since that evidence is listed as an option for PR Card renewal.

I think the concern here may be that OP may lack such proofs, seeing as OP didn't actually live in Ontario (or Canada) during the required time period.

Of course, if OP makes it across the border without issue and then waits long enough, eventually such proof will be forthcoming. But the point is that if OP doesn't have such proof now, then OP will need to come back to Ontario and live here for a certain period of time first before applying.

 

[canuck78]

The OP could use bank statements, showing `activity' (i.e. ATM or merchant transactions) local to their area, since that evidence is listed as an option for PR Card renewal.

As previously noted think they are looking for longterm activity not recent activity.

 

[Ponga]

As previously noted think they are looking for longterm activity not recent activity.

No, since only two pieces of evidence of residency is required, it is NOT long term activity that IRCC seeks; only evidence of residing in Canada during the previous 5 years.

I think the concern here may be that OP may lack such proofs, seeing as OP didn't actually live in Ontario (or Canada) during the required time period.

Of course, if OP makes it across the border without issue and then waits long enough, eventually such proof will be forthcoming. But the point is that if OP doesn't have such proof now, then OP will need to come back to Ontario and live here for a certain period of time first before applying.

Right. I missed the part about the person being out of compliance in terms of meeting the R.O.

 

[canuck78]

No, since only two pieces of evidence of residency is required, it is NOT long term activity that IRCC seeks; only evidence of residing in Canada during the previous 5 years.

Right. I missed the part about the person being out of compliance in terms of meeting the R.O.

2-5 years is longterm activity.

 

[Ponga]

As previously noted think they are looking for longterm activity not recent activity.

Previously noted, where? I read back from the first post in this thread and didn't find any mention of long term activity, aside from yours.

 

[Sricand]

Be prepared for questions from the CBSA officer! Hopefully you will not be subject to a 44(1) report!

Fingers-crossed! Will update on this soon.

 

[canuck78]

Previously noted, where? I read back from the first post in this thread and didn't find any mention of long term activity, aside from yours.

I previously noted. You can live in Canada and be compliant with your RO without a valid PR card but you also will have proof that you have been living in Canada through bank activity, utility bills, etc.

 

[abff08f4813c]

I previously noted. You can live in Canada and be compliant with your RO without a valid PR card but you also will have proof that you have been living in Canada through bank activity, utility bills, etc.

Agreed in full. As per https://www.ontario.ca/page/apply-ohip-and-get-health-card#section-2

To meet the minimum qualifications you must: be physically in Ontario for 153 days in any 12‑month period

So it absolutely makes sense that Service Ontario would ask for some documentary proof that you meet the above requirement.

 

[canuck78]

Agreed in full. As per https://www.ontario.ca/page/apply-ohip-and-get-health-card#section-2



So it absolutely makes sense that Service Ontario would ask for some documentary proof that you meet the above requirement.

The 153 days in the first 6 months is something totally different. When you apply for OHIP you agree that you intend to meet the residency requirements to qualify which are: live in Ontario for 153 days in the first 6 months, live in Ontario for 6 months in the 1st year and make Ontario your permanent home.

 

[abff08f4813c]

The 153 days in the first 6 months is something totally different. When you apply for OHIP you agree that you intend to meet the residency requirements to qualify which are: live in Ontario for 153 days in the first 6 months, live in Ontario for 6 months in the 1st year and make Ontario your permanent home.

Whoops, I found and quoted the wrong section.

This is the correct one,

https://www.ontario.ca/page/health-card-renewal

You may be required to provide additional documents to confirm Ontario is your primary place of residence if your health card is already expired and/or you have been out of the province for more than 7 months in the last 12-month period.