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Hunarnamiq

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Hi everyone. I have a question I’d like to ask. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- How can someone know if their application is under investigation or if it’s been cessation?
My security process is ongoing.

- Will there be any glitches or problems that arise after the security process is complete or before the test?


I submitted my application on March 2024.



I ordered my GCMS notes



And this is the progress so far,

Under

Location: Grant Review Ready PM03

App Status Reason: In Progress

Triage: A2



ASSESSMENTS

Knowledge: Passed

Language: Not Started

Residence: Not Started

Intent to Reside:

Parentage:

Adoption:

Armed Forces:

Prohibition: Not Started

Security: In Progress

Criminality: Passed

Waiver:

Misrepresentation:

Hearing:

Final:

Oath: Not S t a r t e d

CIT Effective Date:

Discretionary Grant: N
 

Onwards56

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I finally met with a lawyer and he advised me to give it a few years, as that will reduce my risk.
The major issue is that I applied for a travel document that expired before renewing my passport so in the event of a cessation, I can’t argue that I was unaware (even though I was).

With all these new cases being reported, it doesn’t look like the laws are changing anytime soon.
Hello all, it has been a while I posted here.
So I ended up submitting my citizenship application after my lawyer asked me to proceed.
I was apprehensive but decided to take the risk (not recommended for everyone without the backing of a lawyer).
It took months of uncertainty and sleepless nights but I’m finally a Canadian citizen!!!
For all those still afraid, I know how you feel but like several people have mentioned here, the nail in the coffin most likely is a trip to your home country.
This is a miracle in my opinion so I’m not advising anyone to do this, but I thought to share in case it provides some hope for those who renewed their passports or used it to travel to other counties.
 

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Hello all, it has been a while I posted here.
So I ended up submitting my citizenship application after my lawyer asked me to proceed.
I was apprehensive but decided to take the risk (not recommended for everyone without the backing of a lawyer).
It took months of uncertainty and sleepless nights but I’m finally a Canadian citizen!!!
For all those still afraid, I know how you feel but like several people have mentioned here, the nail in the coffin most likely is a trip to your home country.
This is a miracle in my opinion so I’m not advising anyone to do this, but I thought to share in case it provides some hope for those who renewed their passports or used it to travel to other counties.
Congrats!!! Thanks for coming back and giving us an update.
 
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Hello everyone,

I’ve just submitted my citizenship applications for myself and my kids, despite the potential risks. I firmly believe that I must face any challenges head on, as waiting a few more years would only prolong the inevitable. Delaying now could mean facing the same proceedings and delays later on.

Interestingly, my brother recently received a letter at my old address in my home country. The letter stated that, based on intelligence reports, my citizenship there has been "doubtfully revoked," and I was instructed to appear at an office in the capital city. When I checked their online portal using my passport and citizenship numbers, it showed my status as “blocked.”

To be honest, I would never consider returning to that country under any circumstances. I’ve also consulted a lawyer here in Canada, who assured me that I have strong grounds, substantial evidence, and solid reasons to proceed. Ultimately, the decision was mine to make, and I’ve chosen to be proactive and take this step.

I feel confident and happy that I’ve finally applied. Whatever happens next, I’m prepared to face it. Fingers crossed...let’s see what the future holds. Wish me Luck and send good vibes.
 

dpenabill

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- How can someone know if their application is under investigation or if it’s been cessation?
If you have traveled to Iraq (your home country?) and applied for citizenship, it would be a good idea to at least pay for a consultation with a qualified lawyer experienced with refugee cases. I can offer some observations but cessation is serious stuff and a lawyer can provide far better information, and offer advice and representation. Remember, obtaining a home country passport establishes a presumption of reavailment of home country protection and travel to the home country constitutes in fact reavailment, which is grounds for cessation unless the PR-refugee can prove there was no intent to reavail home country protection, which is not at all an easy task given the decision made to travel to the home country.

The key question is whether you have traveled to Iraq.

If not, if no travel to the home country, probably no need to worry about cessation.

If you have returned to Iraq since obtaining status in Canada, and your citizenship application has been in process for many months more than most others who applied around the same time, there is at least a substantial likelihood that there is indeed a cessation-related investigation. Note, however, that PR-refugees applying for citizenship often encounter longer processing times related to more extensive background screening apart from any cessation-related issues.

If the government has cessation proceedings pending against a PR-refugee the PR will get notice. Since you have a citizenship application in process, you would have gotten notice. (I am not sure how notice works if the PR-refugee does not have an active application in process and the government has difficulty contacting the individual. A webform query or telephone call to the help centre should be sufficient to verify if cessation proceedings have been commenced.)

If there had been a determination of cessation regarding you, your citizenship application would be quickly denied since, after all, that would mean you are not eligible for citizenship, not a PR, and indeed you would be inadmissible and facing deportation proceedings.

Knowing about investigations . . .

Knowing about investigations is a rather different kettle-of-go-fish given the extent to which information about investigations, and the manner and method, the means and scope of investigations generally, even the fact that an individual is subject to an ongoing investigation, is considered confidential. In addition to not being accessible by the public generally, this information ordinarily is not accessible even by those directly affected; that is, in particular, even the individual who is the subject of investigation is not entitled to information revealing they are the subject of an investigation (similar to how law enforcement does not give the target of a criminal investigation any heads-up notice, there is NO "hey, we're watching you, going through your trash, listening to your phone calls, checking your bank records" notice to suspected drug dealers for example).

Nonetheless, many PR-refugees who have traveled to their home country (who thus should be aware they are likely to be investigated for cessation) and who are the subject of a cessation investigation, may know or readily discern they are the subject of investigation as a result of interviews with CBSA officers, either attendant returning to Canada at a Port-of-Entry or later contact. Even if there has not been an interview that was overtly cessation-related attendant a PoE examination, some might surmise there is an investigation in progress based on the questions asked at a PoE after they have traveled to their home country.

Some PR-refugees may have the skill (or assistance from someone with the skill) to compose crafty ATIP requests which can probe into more details than the generic requests; it is not likely this will directly reveal there is an ongoing investigation but could reveal some clues indicating the probability there is an investigation happening.

Bottom-line, nonetheless, a PR-refugee who has traveled to their home country should anticipate not just the likelihood of investigation but the significant risk of cessation proceedings.

Something I do NOT know but very much suspect (in the sense that I think it is very likely), is that IRCC is screening the travel history of PR-refugee citizenship applicants and making referrals to CBSA for investigation if travel to the home country is indicated.


Other Catching Up:


I’ve just submitted my citizenship applications for myself and my kids, despite the potential risks. I firmly believe that I must face any challenges head on, as waiting a few more years would only prolong the inevitable. Delaying now could mean facing the same proceedings and delays later on.

Interestingly, my brother recently received a letter at my old address in my home country. The letter stated that, based on intelligence reports, my citizenship there has been "doubtfully revoked," and I was instructed to appear at an office in the capital city. When I checked their online portal using my passport and citizenship numbers, it showed my status as “blocked.”

To be honest, I would never consider returning to that country under any circumstances. I’ve also consulted a lawyer here in Canada, who assured me that I have strong grounds, substantial evidence, and solid reasons to proceed. Ultimately, the decision was mine to make, and I’ve chosen to be proactive and take this step.

I feel confident and happy that I’ve finally applied. Whatever happens next, I’m prepared to face it. Fingers crossed...let’s see what the future holds. Wish me Luck and send good vibes.
I generally will not second-guess advice from a lawyer (absent strong cause) and will not second-guess the lawyer you consulted with. The best I could offer I already posted late last year, back on December 19. That and the comment I make above about suspecting that IRCC is screening PR-refugee applications and making investigatory referrals if grounds for cessation are indicated, which would include any travel to the home country.

Please keep the forum advised as to how this goes.

At the risk of being flippant, coming across callous, "another one bites the dust."

Here again there is not much new in this decision: Telet v. Canada, 2025 FC 186, https://canlii.ca/t/k96hr (many long trips to home country; cessation upheld)

Message is clear: PR-refugees who travel to the home country can (and apparently many if not most will) have protected status ceased resulting in loss of PR status and, for those with a citizenship application pending, that application denied.

Justice Norris does dive further into the issue about how the RPD should consider, and whether it should apply, cessation under section 108(1)(e) (the reasons for which the person sought refugee protection have ceased to exist) rather than section 108(1)(a) (reavailment of home country protection). Remember that if refugee status is ceased under 108(1)(e) that has NO effect on the individual's status as a Canadian PR, but if ceased under 108(1)(a) that automatically terminates PR status in addition to the cessation of protected person status. The difference in which section cessation is based on is a BIG BIG DEAL.

The claim that the RPD should have ceased protected status under 108(1)(e), not 108(1)(a), has been what I would call a "defense strategy" showing up in a number of the cessation cases the last few years. Rarely successful.

One exception is another case decided by Justice Norris back in late 2023 (Taji v. Canada, 2023 FC 1587, https://canlii.ca/t/k1f24 and a case I discussed some here around a year plus or so ago). That is a case in which the judge found that since the RPD failed to address the PR-refugee's submissions on the issue, that cessation should be based on 108(1)(e), the PRP's determination of cessation based on reavailment, that is 108(1)(a), was unreasonable.

That's a weedy subject. Analysis and discussion of this is very interesting to me (I find, for example, Justice Norris' approach at least a bit tortured, reasoning fashioned to support a conclusion already reached) but for purposes of this forum the take away is that (with isolated exception) it appears that the defense strategy it-should-be-cessation-based-on-changed-circumstances (section 108(1)e) IRPA), not reavailment, is NOT getting much traction. That said, perhaps it has been successful before the RPD and the Minister has not appealed those cases, so we do not see published results from these cases.

Meanwhile . . . I still plan (eventually) to comment further (more editorial than informational) about the Deochan v. Canada, 2024 FC 2088, https://canlii.ca/t/k8hcj decision, and the underlying issue in the discussion between @canuck78 and @armoured (the extent to which an underlying suspicion of fraud or misrepresentation has an impact in cessation related cases), including how I think both those are related.
 
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Hunarnamiq

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Thank you very much for your detailed response,





I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. I understand that extended stays outside of Canada can sometimes lead to additional scrutiny, which is why I have kept detailed records of my stay, including bank statements, rent checks, and other documentation to prove where I was during that time. I made sure to maintain proper records in case IRCC ever asks for clarification about my travel history in the future.



I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.



I know that security screening can sometimes take a long time, especially for applicants who have a refugee background or who have traveled outside Canada for extended periods. However, I don’t understand why mine is taking this long, especially since my criminality check has already been marked as passed. While I haven’t received any requests for additional documents or clarifications from IRCC, the fact that security screening has been dragging on for so long is worrying me.



Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns. If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.



I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

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I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I have not been through but this is still pretty common sense (IMO):
-yes, it can take long for security screening, in general, and for nationals of some countries, or travel in some countries;
-yes, long stays in some neighbouring countries could be a significant factor (which countries might be important, possibly extremely important);
-if you travelled on your home-country passport as a (former) protected person, yes, that could also be the issue (as you asked above).

As a small aside, if IRCC were of the opinion that it's possible you entered your home country (Iraq I presume) and didn't report it, that could lengthen things while they attempt to evaluate that. Even the possibility. And especially if there are borders in the region where irregular (unrecorded, unstamped) entries are possible - which I believe is the case - it's possible they would attempt to look into that.

But you submitted in March 2024, which is not all that long for a file with your specifics.

"Should you be worried?"

Does anyone's response matter much here? You are, it seems, already worried.

I'd say you have good reason to be concerned if you travelled on your home country passport. That doesn't mean that it will be a rescission case, but you have reason to be concerned about it. I don't know that there's much you can do at this point, however, and hence whether worrying serves much purpose.
 
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dpenabill

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I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. . . . . . .

I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.
There is no need to request GCMS notes to find out if there are cessation proceedings in process. You would get notice if there was.

Otherwise, Again, GCMS Notes Will NOT Disclose Information About Investigations, Red Flags, or Most Concerns

So, it is not true that GCMS notes indicating the citizenship "application is still marked as 'open - in progress' . . . suggests that there is no formal issue with [your] case." There is no suggestion either way. So, it might be true there is NO "formal issue" or non-routine processing due to a particular concern, but the absence of red flags or concerns indicated in the GCMS notes does NOT suggest there are no problematic issues.

That said, however . . .
I ordered my GCMS notes . . . App Status Reason: In Progress . . . Triage: A2
Sorry, but "Triage: A2" indicates a red flag. No indication as to what that red flag is or what it is about, but it does mean there is some sort of warning or note in your GCMS indicating a concern. Again, a copy of GCMS records sent to applicants will NOT reveal what that particular warning or concern is. Thus, based on this notation in your GCMS you can infer there is a red flag or concern, but that's the extent to which GCMS records sent to you will reveal issues or concerns. (The triage criteria are part of the File Requirements Checklist; even a blank or template of the FRC is confidential . . . last known version of the triage criteria is over a decade old, based on a leaked copy of the FRC in use then. Most of the "A#" (as in A1, A2, or A6, and so on) triage criteria in the older FRC was about reasons to question the applicant's residency/physical presence.)

I apologize for not taking note of that before now. It is a significant detail.

Meanwhile, as @armoured commented, your application has not been in process for an uncommonly long time, way shy of being in process for an abnormal or even unusually long period of time. It has not been long enough to infer there is a problem. It does not take much to tip things into substantive non-routine processing (beyond requests for fingerprints, for example) that results in significantly longer processing times.

That said, as @armoured also discussed, and you appear to recognize, your background significantly elevates the risk of non-routine inquiries and assessment, and perhaps some security-related or cessation-related investigation. So it should be no surprise if your application takes significantly or even considerably longer than it does for many other applicants.

How much longer is impossible to predict and, indeed, you could suddenly be done, scheduled to take the oath soon . . . or it could be months more before there is any progress.

I understand the uncertainty can be unnerving and difficult, even in regards to uncertainty about the time line going forward, let alone apprehending the possibility of a substantive issue which could cause real problems.

At this juncture the probability is that the best you can do is WAIT to see how this goes, and hope it gets done soon but be prepared to potentially wait for months or many months more. And be prepared to respond to requests as well as notice to appear for an interview, or (obviously what you'd prefer) suddenly getting notice you are scheduled to take the oath.

Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns.
Of course just visiting, let alone a lengthy stay in the region adjacent to the country you fled, increases the risk of elevated scrutiny and a longer processing time.

If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.
If there is no cause for any security or criminality concerns it is unlikely you will be asked to provide information, documents, or an explanation.

If there is an investigation into your physical presence, the reasons for or the circumstances of your stay outside Canada will have very little relevance, the focus of the investigation will be to verify your dates IN Canada.

What We Do Not Know About Cessation Investigation:

If you have obtained a home country passport and used it to travel internationally, that establishes a presumption of reavailment. That could constitute a sufficient basis for cessation of protected person status.

What we do not know is if or when this will result in IRCC or CBSA initiating a cessation-related investigation. So far we have not seen any cessation cases against a PR-refugee who did not travel to their home country. But we do not know if obtaining and using a home country passport (which, again, establishes a presumption of grounds for cessation) is triggering cessation-related investigations that, so far anyway, do not result in a cessation proceeding but which can be causing delays in processing citizenship applications.
 
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Thank you very much for your detailed response,





I have not traveled to Iraq at all, but I did stay in a neighboring country for a period of seven months. I understand that extended stays outside of Canada can sometimes lead to additional scrutiny, which is why I have kept detailed records of my stay, including bank statements, rent checks, and other documentation to prove where I was during that time. I made sure to maintain proper records in case IRCC ever asks for clarification about my travel history in the future.



I also decided to request my GCMS notes to get a clearer picture of my application’s progress and to check if there were any red flags or concerns. After reviewing the notes, I saw that there was no mention of any investigation or cessation proceedings. The application is still marked as “open - in progress,” which suggests that there is no formal issue with my case. However, I have noticed that my security screening has been ongoing for more than nine months, and this long delay is making me concerned.



I know that security screening can sometimes take a long time, especially for applicants who have a refugee background or who have traveled outside Canada for extended periods. However, I don’t understand why mine is taking this long, especially since my criminality check has already been marked as passed. While I haven’t received any requests for additional documents or clarifications from IRCC, the fact that security screening has been dragging on for so long is worrying me.



Even though I did not enter Iraq at any point, I wonder if my seven-month stay in a neighboring country could have triggered additional security checks. Perhaps IRCC wants to verify my activities during that time, or they need to confirm that I was not in contact with any individuals or organizations that could raise security concerns. If that is the case, I feel confident that I can provide the necessary proof to clarify everything because I have kept clear and organized records of my stay.



I would really appreciate any insights from others who have been through a similar situation. Is it normal for security screening to take this long? Could my extended stay in a neighboring country be a factor in the delay? Should I be worried, or is this just a normal part of the process? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Would add that in many regions of the world people cross country borders without going through passport control which is one of the reasons your time in a neighbouring country is likely a concern. It is common knowledge that protected people and refugees have flown to neighbouring country and walked across the border to their home country. Proof of rent actually doesn’t guarantee presence in a country. For example regular bank withdrawals from a country would be a better indicator of presence in a country.
 
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A side note: for some time now, contrary to what I did for many years, I have not been looking over every immigration decision issued by the Federal Court, and to a large extent have often relied on @scylla (thank you) to bring attention to new cessation-related cases. I still make an effort to review most FC immigration decisions, subject to occasional lapses, to at least identify those of particular interest in the subjects I follow (cessation, misrepresentation, PR obligations and admissibility, and citizenship applications).

And I make an effort to identify and link here all the published cessation decisions issued by the FC involving PRs. BUT I expect there have been some I have overlooked. And, in particular, I have not been diligent in collecting and posting information about cessation actions against non-PRs. The reasoning in these cases is virtually indistinguishable from the reasoning applicable to cessation cases involving PR-refugees. Which probably seems proper . . . unless the application of section 108(1) IRPA is interpreted to apply differently to PR-refugees compared to claimants and those with refugee status without PR status. Applying the same interpretation to both seems proper because the literal letter of the applicable law (as to cessation of refugee or protected person status) is the same except that cessation based on section 108(1)(e) does not affect a PR-refugee's PR status.

In any event, there were two cessation determinations against refugees decided and published last month that I have not previously referenced here:
Alaybiyi v. Canada, 2025 FC 289, https://canlii.ca/t/k9hmg which is a decision by Justice Strickland allowed review and set aside the cessation decision, to be redetermined by another RPD panel, notwithstanding four trips to the home country​
Parczewska v. Canada, 2025 FC 326, https://canlii.ca/t/k9l28 which is a decision by Justice Pentney upholding cessation (the outcome of this case is disheartening, not because it is wrongly decided, according to applicable law (in situations like this heartless law), but because of the circumstances, this refugee having lived in Canada for twenty years and now an elderly (albeit significantly younger than myself) and vulnerable woman suffering disabling mental and medical conditions)​

Another case worth noting, decided and published this month, is about vacating refugee status based on misrepresentation:
Safaei v. Canada, 2025 FC 361, https://canlii.ca/t/k9pzk

The Alaybiyi v. Canada, 2025 FC 289, https://canlii.ca/t/k9hmg decision warrants a closer look even though Justice Strickland does not address the Charter challenge raised (an issue I expect quite a few are watching, those who are at risk for cessation, on-the-cusp one might say, hoping for signs indicating a reduction if not elimination of their risk), in large part based on allowing the relief requested based on a finding the RPD's decision was not reasonable. This warrants noting because we have not seen any update in regards to the cases pending that are based on Charter challenges (discussed here above, last year) and, so far anyway, it appears that Charter challenges are not getting much if any traction . . . particularly not before RPD.

In regards to the latter, Justice Strickland observed that the RPD does not have "the power" to address legal questions arising out of the application of the provision (section 46(1)(c.1) IRPA) which automatically terminates PR status upon a determination of cessation. The automatic termination of PR status is (as best I can grasp) the primary focus of Charter challenges, given how harsh the consequences are. The RPD's role in cessation, however, is limited to determining if protected person status is ceased, no jurisdiction to address what might be considered collateral consequences.
(Somewhat akin to a criminal court handling a driving while impaired charge . . . the criminal court only has jurisdiction to deal with the criminal charges and sentencing under the criminal law, not with the potential collateral impact of inadmissibility for serious criminality that can derive from a driving while impaired offence pursuant to IRPA.)​

The more interesting aspect of Justice Strickland's decision, and more practically relevant (unless the FCs and more significantly the FCA rule in a way giving effect to the Charter challenges), has to do with the issue that really makes the difference in the cessation based on reavailment cases: the question of intent. In this case, unlike most of the cessation cases during the past two or three years, Justice Strickland does not give the RPD a pass based on its references/description of the factors considered, but rather requiring the RPD to "meaningfully engage with certain factors factors that were highly relevant." In particular:

[48] Here, “[t]he problem with the RPD’s reasoning is not that it failed to mention most of the relevant facts. Rather, it failed to show how the key facts, including the measures the Applicant took to protect herself, were weighed in the assessment of her subjective intention” . . .​

Frankly I have some difficulty with Justice Strickland's analysis even though I largely agree with the conclusions. And for Oladele Bamidel Alabiyi, in particular, it still looks like it will be a challenge to persuade the next RPD panel that she has sufficiently rebutted the presumption of reavailment by rebutting the presumption of intent to reavail. That is, persuading Justice Strickland that the RPD failed to reasonably weigh the evidence as to intent only gets Alabiyi another hearing before another RPD. To avoid cessation Alabiyi still needs to persuade a RPD panel she did not intend to reavail home country protection despite the number of trips and duration of stays in the home country.

For those facing cessation it is a practical problem: how to overcome the presumption of intent to reavail based on voluntary actions amounting to actual reavailment (voluntarily returning to home country using home country passport).

Leading to . . . well, some editorial commentary . . . and the elephant in the room, generally not spoken of or even, typically, acknowledged, even though it is a big and awkward beast, far more than a mere cloud of suspicion of misrepresentation in regards to the need for protection itself: for those who travel to their home country, much as @canuck78 referenced above (even for those who have acquired Canadian citizenship and who can travel to their home country without actually availing themselves of home country protection), many harbour at least some suspicion if not an overt inference that such travel indicates there was no need for protection itself from the beginning. That is, that there was misrepresentation made in claiming the need for protection.

And, frankly, that is malarkey. As much as the presumption of reavailment may be appropriate when applied to refugees who are non-Canadians, once a refugee has become a Canadian (that is, once they are a Canadian PR and no longer a Foreign National), it makes little, if any sense, to presume merely visiting the home country constitutes an intent to reavail that country's protection, and especially so if the PR-refugee is taking precautions to protect themselves during such visits and is otherwise not settling or working there, engaging in political activities, but rather is keeping a low profile while relying on their PR status, one might say (at least if they are a fan of old Western films), to "get out of dodge" if and when things get hot.

Not that there is any indication this or any other prospective government (following the coming election) is at all likely to sort this stuff out and make revisions to the law that would make more sense and avoid the legal technicalities, pretzels in reasoning, that force the parties to navigate complex facts and evidence burdened with unrealistic, impractical presumptions.
 

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Hi everyone,

I’m seeking some insight from anyone who might have experienced a similar situation. My friend has an IRB hearing coming up in a few months, and if the decision is negative, he plans to appeal. I understand that the appeal process (or judicial review I think) might take around eight months or so.

My main questions are:

• During the appeal period, would he be considered to be living in Canada under implied status, and if so, can he continue working on an implied work permit?
• Has anyone dealt with this situation, and how did you or your friend manage work permit and legal status while awaiting the appeal decision?

I appreciate any experiences or advice you can share. (I’m not a lawyer, so I’m just gathering experiences from those who have been through similar circumstances.)

Thank you for your help!
 

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Hi everyone,

I’m seeking some insight from anyone who might have experienced a similar situation. My friend has an IRB hearing coming up in a few months, and if the decision is negative, he plans to appeal. I understand that the appeal process (or judicial review I think) might take around eight months or so.

My main questions are:

• During the appeal period, would he be considered to be living in Canada under implied status, and if so, can he continue working on an implied work permit?
• Has anyone dealt with this situation, and how did you or your friend manage work permit and legal status while awaiting the appeal decision?

I appreciate any experiences or advice you can share. (I’m not a lawyer, so I’m just gathering experiences from those who have been through similar circumstances.)

Thank you for your help!

Can only answer your first question. As per https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/permit/temporary/need-permit/appeal-removal.html he needs to apply for an open work permit while waiting for the result of the appeal, but (assuming he meets the other requirements listed) he should be eligible to apply for that work permit.
 
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Can only answer your first question. As per https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/permit/temporary/need-permit/appeal-removal.html he needs to apply for an open work permit while waiting for the result of the appeal, but (assuming he meets the other requirements listed) he should be eligible to apply for that work permit.
Thanks, got it. Do you know how long does it take usually? or he can work under implied work permit status (until actual work permit gets in)
 

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My friend has an IRB hearing coming up in a few months, and if the decision is negative, he plans to appeal.

During the appeal period, would he be considered to be living in Canada under implied status, and if so, can he continue working on an implied work permit?
This is an off-topic tangent . . . especially if it is about a Foreign National and work permits . . .

. . . but the information posted by @abff08f4813c is likely a good
(even if just a partial) answer:

Can only answer your first question. As per https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/permit/temporary/need-permit/appeal-removal.html he needs to apply for an open work permit while waiting for the result of the appeal, but (assuming he meets the other requirements listed) he should be eligible to apply for that work permit.
. . . depending, nonetheless, on just what the circumstances are, including in particular if the matter before the IRB is a claim for refugee protection or a situation in which a Removal Order is being appealed. And also noting that NOT all work permits give the individual resident status in Canada (work permit issued to certain FNs under a removal order, for example). Leading to . . .

Do you know how long does it take usually? or he can work under implied work permit status (until actual work permit gets in)
There is no useful answer to how these things "usually" go in these cases. The range of circumstances and possible outcomes range far too widely.

For the particular work permit application referenced here there is NO implied status pending the application, or to be more precise, there is NO "maintained status" (IRCC now refers to what it calls "maintained status" rather than "implied status").


Beyond that . . .

But, first, a suggestion to lawyer-up.
Anyone in circumstances likely to involve an appeal should get assistance from a lawyer sooner rather than later. In many circumstances the availability, scope, and prospective relief that may be obtained in an appeal can be severely limited depending on what was litigated before the IRB, so a lawyer's help will often be of far more use BEFORE the IRB hearing rather than later in the appeal process.

So . . . despite being off-topic . . . more fully:

I’m seeking some insight from anyone who might have experienced a similar situation. My friend has an IRB hearing coming up in a few months, and if the decision is negative, he plans to appeal. I understand that the appeal process (or judicial review I think) might take around eight months or so.

My main questions are:

• During the appeal period, would he be considered to be living in Canada under implied status, and if so, can he continue working on an implied work permit?
• Has anyone dealt with this situation, and how did you or your friend manage work permit and legal status while awaiting the appeal decision?

I appreciate any experiences or advice you can share. (I’m not a lawyer, so I’m just gathering experiences from those who have been through similar circumstances.)
Post Query In More Relevant Forum:

This does not appear to be about cessation. So, this is the wrong thread for this query. Does not appear to even be about citizenship or those who may be eligible to apply for citizenship (PRs meeting the eligibility requirements, which includes PR-refugees). So wrong forum.

There is such a wide variety of circumstances and issues that can be decided by the IRB (Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada), to get information about real experiences in "similar circumstances" the query should be posted in a part of the forum that is actually about "similar circumstances," meaning circumstances similar to those involved in your friend's situation . . . such as one of the forums under the heading "Temporary Entry to Canada" or "Immigration to Canada" or applicable sub-heading such as "General - All Canadian Immigration" (which is grouped in the Immigration to Canada forum) . . . whichever forum is about matters involving circumstances/issues similar to those in which your friend is involved.

Probably a good idea to start a new thread with the query (unless in one of the more relevant forums you find a thread that is specifically about the particular circumstances and issues in your friend's situation).

Meanwhile, your query here provides no context, no particular set of circumstances, no indication what the IRB is addressing, so there is no indication of what would be "similar" circumstances. There is no indication just what this is about, or what division of the IRB this is before even, and that makes a huge difference in what happens, how things work. For example, whether there is even a right of appeal varies and thus depends on the particular circumstances.

That is . . . probably have better luck getting relevant information if you
(1) identify the forum which is more about your friend's situation and post the query there, and​
(2) provide some detail as to the circumstances and issues involved​

For Accounts of Similar Experiences Even Though Not Personal Experience:

I have no personal experience dealing with any division of the IRB. But as just referenced in my preceding post, for years I at least glanced over the vast majority of decisions involving immigration issues published by the Courts (colour me nerd of the insufferable bore sort), and despite some lapses more recently, I still make an effort to look at most immigration cases . . . albeit for several years now I only read in depth those involving the issues I follow, which again are cessation, misrepresentation, PR obligations and inadmissibility, and citizenship applications -- thus, for example, I do not read in depth the FC decisions reviewing RPD (the Refugee Protection Division of the IRB) decisions rejecting refugee claims.

Additionally I have researched and read scores and scores of published IRB (Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada) decisions, mostly focused on appeals heard by the IRB, especially those IRB hearings involving the appeal of a negative residency obligation decision, be that visa office denials of a PR TD or Removal Orders issued based on a 44(1) Report.

Which makes me aware of how things have gone for scores and scores of people who have run into non-routine immigration decision-making in a fairly broad range of circumstances. That is, despite not having any personal experience, I am acquainted with the experiences of scores and scores of other individuals who have gone before the IRB and who have appealed a negative decision. (Noting, however, that is only a limited subset of immigration matters.)

You and your friend can also read those decisions and become familiar with what many others have experienced, and in doing that focus in particular on those cases in which the circumstances really are similar to your friend's. Caveat: better, however, to obtain the assistance of an experienced immigration lawyer.

Published immigration decisions in any of the courts and the IRB can be easily accessed at the CanLII website here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/ There are links there to specific venues, including a link to the IRB, where most published IRB decisions can be easily found. The latter can also be found here: https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/

It is worth noting that the experiences reported in both the FC and IRB decisions are official accounts of actual experiences oriented to the actual issues being decided, so those sources are a far more reliable source, in that they are more accurate and often more relevant, than the personal experiences recounted in anecdotal reports. This is not to dismiss how useful the anecdotal reports of personal experience are, but rather to emphasize how important it is to consider those reports in the context of known rules and laws and how the rules and laws are applied in actual cases as recounted in published decisions.
 
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