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canuck78

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Thats good if it's not started, better than not passed :) try calling them every few days and bother them... tell them they reached processing times and eligibility has not started... request status update, involve MP... clearly IRCC is not doing its job once again... they are sitting on the case, if eligibility is not started after 22 months it means officer has not started review process yet. Unacceptable.
Calling IRCC regularly is not going to help your processing and if anything may hurt your application. The H&C department has 50k+ applications while only being staffed to process a small portion of that annually. An MP can not do anything if your application has similar processing times versus others. They also can’t influence outcomes. Processing times are not guarantees and can change over time.
 

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Just like an other country, there is a resource crunch in Canada. We all agree that Canada faces housing crisis, healthcare, job wage stagnation etc.
The issue here is who is deciding the allocation of these resources. while H&C is constantly getting overwhelmed by the number of applicants vs the target set by IRCC, in my honest opinion, Reform is needed at the IRCC policy level that allocate said resources to each program.

Here is some data.

Admissions
Ukrainians pathway: 300,000
Syrian pathway: 100,000+
Afghan pathway: 40,000
Sudan: 2890
H&C (2018): 3,700 admitted. 17,000 in inventory

Source1: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6610242
Source2: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/ukraine-measures/key-figures.html
Source3: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/march-12-2020/humanitarian-and-compassionate-considerations.html
H&C:

There is no denying that these countries are experiencing war and conflicts. Huge humanitarian crisis. However, if resources are limited. Why does our federal government want to show the world that Canada is a world leader in humanitarian aid, while our families are allocated peanuts under H&C.

Students, Parents, Temporary workers are already in Canada. They have already paid into the Canadian economy via HST, Income Tax, Tuition fees, Medical Insurance etc. Sure, many would have also drained from the social welfare.

However, in my opinion, the government at a policy level, from an economic perspective, has prioritized estimated future economic contributions over the current contributions by folks who are already here.

P.S - I am aware this is a distraction from the motive of this forum, which is to help one another with H&C application. I apologize.
 
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Kate_20

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Just like an other country, there is a resource crunch in Canada. We all agree that Canada faces housing crisis, healthcare, job wage stagnation etc.
The issue here is who is deciding the allocation of these resources. while H&C is constantly getting overwhelmed by the number of applicants vs the target set by IRCC, in my honest opinion, Reform is needed at the IRCC policy level that allocate said resources to each program.

Here is some data.

Admissions
Ukrainians pathway: 300,000
Syrian pathway: 100,000+
Afghan pathway: 40,000
Sudan: 2890
H&C (2018): 3,700 admitted. 17,000 in inventory

Source1: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6610242
Source2: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/ukraine-measures/key-figures.html
Source3: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/march-12-2020/humanitarian-and-compassionate-considerations.html
H&C:

There is no denying that these countries are experiencing war and conflicts. Huge humanitarian crisis. However, if resources are limited. Why does our federal government want to show the world that Canada is a world leader in humanitarian aid, while our families are allocated peanuts under H&C.

Students, Parents, Temporary workers are already in Canada. They have already paid into the Canadian economy via HST, Income Tax, Tuition fees, Medical Insurance etc. Sure, many would have also drained from the social welfare.

However, in my opinion, the government at a policy level, from an economic perspective, has prioritized estimated future economic contributions over the current contributions by folks who are already here.

P.S - I am aware this is a distraction from the motive of this forum, which is to help one another with H&C application. I apologize.
well said!! Unfortunately feds are not being genuine when it comes to family reunification… they do family reunification selectively. As you said Ukrainian Canadian citizens brought all their relatives on PRs within few months (they get PR cards, do full medical check ups, surgeries etc) and go back to Ukraine as they dont like it here apparently. In the meantime, Feds come out and say…. hey rest of the Canadians… who the hell cares that you are waiting and you want family reunification… we are not opening it for you in 2025. In news, no one is saying program has been closed since 2020, they say they are processing 15k that were submitted in 2024 as if program was opened in 2024!!! Lottery itself gives you super low chances, now this lottery is not available past 5 years!!!! This is unfair to rest of the Canadians… if we knew we could never bring biological parents to join us in Canada, Im sure a lot people would choose another country to immigrate. Now we are settled here, built careers, home, made this country our home country… and you are telling us our parents have to die alone only because you Selectively allow family reunification??? No democratic country would discriminate their citizens this brutally… yes it is discrimination… Ive been waiting for 10+ years, you closed program while favouring other parents, grandparents, and siblings, and making me pay for their expenses when they arrive here in less than 6 months with PR and then LEAVE as they dont like it here!!

Arent you doing the same thing as Putin?? if Putin is putting those parents’ life at risk… you are putting our parents life at risk too when you are stopping family reunification for us… you let our parents stay without care and waiting for them to die alone so they never apply for PR! Isnt this brutal?? Feds need to stop family reunification for everyone or make it available for everyone!This is what democratic country would do. Treating their citizens equally.

P.S. Feds should also Stop sending threatening letters to our parents who are in Canada and ran out super visas… threatening them that they will forcefully remove them if they dont leave immediately while expecting their Canadian children to support those parents, and extended families of Ukrainian Canadians, Syrian Canadians, Sudanese Canadians, Haitian Canadians… etc!! This is brutal what they are doing to us.

Basically, Canadians who were born here..they of course have their parents here, Canadians favoured by Feds also enjoy their parents here, and US? We have to work hard and strengthen the economy so all these parents enjoy their elderly years with their children and grandchildren in great country like Canada while our parents have to die alone waiting for family reunification!! Or are deported by CBSA forcefully!
 
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canuck78

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Just like an other country, there is a resource crunch in Canada. We all agree that Canada faces housing crisis, healthcare, job wage stagnation etc.
The issue here is who is deciding the allocation of these resources. while H&C is constantly getting overwhelmed by the number of applicants vs the target set by IRCC, in my honest opinion, Reform is needed at the IRCC policy level that allocate said resources to each program.

Here is some data.

Admissions
Ukrainians pathway: 300,000
Syrian pathway: 100,000+
Afghan pathway: 40,000
Sudan: 2890
H&C (2018): 3,700 admitted. 17,000 in inventory

Source1: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6610242
Source2: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/ukraine-measures/key-figures.html
Source3: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/march-12-2020/humanitarian-and-compassionate-considerations.html
H&C:

There is no denying that these countries are experiencing war and conflicts. Huge humanitarian crisis. However, if resources are limited. Why does our federal government want to show the world that Canada is a world leader in humanitarian aid, while our families are allocated peanuts under H&C.

Students, Parents, Temporary workers are already in Canada. They have already paid into the Canadian economy via HST, Income Tax, Tuition fees, Medical Insurance etc. Sure, many would have also drained from the social welfare.

However, in my opinion, the government at a policy level, from an economic perspective, has prioritized estimated future economic contributions over the current contributions by folks who are already here.

P.S - I am aware this is a distraction from the motive of this forum, which is to help one another with H&C application. I apologize.
Think one of the criticisms has been that this government has been too ambitious with its humanitarian programs. Has been irresponsible with TRV approvals leading to more asylum claims, has set awful precedent with CUAET, etc. With things like CUAET there were larger geopolitical issues involved including a lot of pressure from our NATO partners but still not a fan of the scale of the program. In reality Canada could not absorb additional H&C applicants and increased family reunification numbers. It doesn’t have the capacity for either. The H&C program was never meant to be a catch all for anyone who doesn’t qualify for PR otherwise. The overly generous, in my opinion, H&C system has encouraged more people to apply. IRCC and the gvt has been irresponsible with the volume of applicants and so the pendulum has to swing all the way to the other side. The likely PC gvt will also continue limiting immigration.
 

canuck78

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well said!! Unfortunately feds are not being genuine when it comes to family reunification… they do family reunification selectively. As you said Ukrainian Canadian citizens brought all their relatives on PRs within few months (they get PR cards, do full medical check ups, surgeries etc) and go back to Ukraine as they dont like it here apparently. In the meantime, Feds come out and say…. hey rest of the Canadians… who the hell cares that you are waiting and you want family reunification… we are not opening it for you in 2025. In news, no one is saying program has been closed since 2020, they say they are processing 15k that were submitted in 2024 as if program was opened in 2024!!! Lottery itself gives you super low chances, now this lottery is not available past 5 years!!!! This is unfair to rest of the Canadians… if we knew we could never bring biological parents to join us in Canada, Im sure a lot people would choose another country to immigrate. Now we are settled here, built careers, home, made this country our home country… and you are telling us our parents have to die alone only because you Selectively allow family reunification??? No democratic country would discriminate their citizens this brutally… yes it is discrimination… Ive been waiting for 10+ years, you closed program while favouring other parents, grandparents, and siblings, and making me pay for their expenses when they arrive here in less than 6 months with PR and then LEAVE as they dont like it here!!

Arent you doing the same thing as Putin?? if Putin is putting those parents’ life at risk… you are putting our parents life at risk too when you are stopping family reunification for us… you let our parents stay without care and waiting for them to die alone so they never apply for PR! Isnt this brutal?? Feds need to stop family reunification for everyone or make it available for everyone!This is what democratic country would do. Treating their citizens equally.

P.S. Feds should also Stop sending threatening letters to our parents who are in Canada and ran out super visas… threatening them that they will forcefully remove them if they dont leave immediately while expecting their Canadian children to support those parents, and extended families of Ukrainian Canadians, Syrian Canadians, Sudanese Canadians, Haitian Canadians… etc!! This is brutal what they are doing to us.

Basically, Canadians who were born here..they of course have their parents here, Canadians favoured by Feds also enjoy their parents here, and US? We have to work hard and strengthen the economy so all these parents enjoy their elderly years with their children and grandchildren in great country like Canada while our parents have to die alone waiting for family reunification!! Or are deported by CBSA forcefully!
Canada has never guaranteed parent sponsorship and has always allowed a limited number of applicant per year that has never come close to meeting demand. This is not new. Supervisas were always visit visas. A visitor is not allowed to stay in Canada indefinitely. There are many countries that do not allow parent sponsorship or limit it. Let’s not be ridiculous we are not living in Russia. Has anyone come to your home to either arrest you or threaten you for voicing your opinion? Have your parents already been forcibly detained and removed with no legal options? Although I think government programs have been irresponsible I also recognize that places like in Sudan for example is not the same as somewhere like India. The irony is that most of the Sudanese H&C applicants have not received approval and processing has been extremely slow and they are experiencing a civil war.

Canada has an ageing population. Canada uses immigration to address our ageing population this is no secret. Canada literally awards points based on age. The younger you are the more points you receive. Yes those born in Canada may have their parents living in a Canada but their parents also likely worked and paid taxes in Canada. Many of these parents were first generation immigrants whose parents did not/could not immigrate to Canada. My grandmother immigrated to Canada from the UK with none of her family. She returned home to see her parents once before they died. This is not an unusual story.
 
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Canada has never guaranteed parent sponsorship and has always allowed a limited number of applicant per year that has never come close to meeting demand. This is not new. Supervisas were always visit visas. A visitor is not allowed to stay in Canada indefinitely. There are many countries that do not allow parent sponsorship or limit it. Let’s not be ridiculous we are not living in Russia. Has anyone come to your home to either arrest you or threaten you for voicing your opinion? Have your parents already been forcibly detained and removed with no legal options? Although I think government programs have been irresponsible I also recognize that places like in Sudan for example is not the same as somewhere like India. The irony is that most of the Sudanese H&C applicants have not received approval and processing has been extremely slow and they are experiencing a civil war.

Canada has an ageing population. Canada uses immigration to address our ageing population this is no secret. Canada literally awards points based on age. The younger you are the more points you receive. Yes those born in Canada may have their parents living in a Canada but their parents also likely worked and paid taxes in Canada. Many of these parents were first generation immigrants whose parents did not/could not immigrate to Canada. My grandmother immigrated to Canada from the UK with none of her family. She returned home to see her parents once before they died. This is not an unusual story.
Kindly do not respond to my comments. Thank you.
 
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canuck78

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Kindly do not respond to my comments. Thank you.
People should use your case as a cautionary tale that H&C is not a guaranteed pathway for parents to get PR. There seems to be many whom are under this false impression and sadly many consultants/lawyers making false promises. H&C as a pathway to PR for parents also being spread in many communities.
 

ibrahim0175

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well said!! Unfortunately feds are not being genuine when it comes to family reunification… they do family reunification selectively. As you said Ukrainian Canadian citizens brought all their relatives on PRs within few months (they get PR cards, do full medical check ups, surgeries etc) and go back to Ukraine as they dont like it here apparently. In the meantime, Feds come out and say…. hey rest of the Canadians… who the hell cares that you are waiting and you want family reunification… we are not opening it for you in 2025. In news, no one is saying program has been closed since 2020, they say they are processing 15k that were submitted in 2024 as if program was opened in 2024!!! Lottery itself gives you super low chances, now this lottery is not available past 5 years!!!! This is unfair to rest of the Canadians… if we knew we could never bring biological parents to join us in Canada, Im sure a lot people would choose another country to immigrate. Now we are settled here, built careers, home, made this country our home country… and you are telling us our parents have to die alone only because you Selectively allow family reunification??? No democratic country would discriminate their citizens this brutally… yes it is discrimination… Ive been waiting for 10+ years, you closed program while favouring other parents, grandparents, and siblings, and making me pay for their expenses when they arrive here in less than 6 months with PR and then LEAVE as they dont like it here!!

Arent you doing the same thing as Putin?? if Putin is putting those parents’ life at risk… you are putting our parents life at risk too when you are stopping family reunification for us… you let our parents stay without care and waiting for them to die alone so they never apply for PR! Isnt this brutal?? Feds need to stop family reunification for everyone or make it available for everyone!This is what democratic country would do. Treating their citizens equally.

P.S. Feds should also Stop sending threatening letters to our parents who are in Canada and ran out super visas… threatening them that they will forcefully remove them if they dont leave immediately while expecting their Canadian children to support those parents, and extended families of Ukrainian Canadians, Syrian Canadians, Sudanese Canadians, Haitian Canadians… etc!! This is brutal what they are doing to us.

Basically, Canadians who were born here..they of course have their parents here, Canadians favoured by Feds also enjoy their parents here, and US? We have to work hard and strengthen the economy so all these parents enjoy their elderly years with their children and grandchildren in great country like Canada while our parents have to die alone waiting for family reunification!! Or are deported by CBSA forcefully!
I know some parents from a certain community/country just came here to get their PR card,they are not going to stay here/will head back to their country of origin and probably will come again when they will need treatment,are we not draining resources here?and here I am,cant make my widow mother a permanent resident,she has been here with me for 10+ years,her mother was a canadian national,all her brothers/siblings/newphew/nieces are Canadian(they all were born here),and why the govt allowing people to get PR who wouldnt even stay here and denying family reunification to those who want to stay here/doesnt have any other place to go?and how this is fair?why cant they reform the program and make it something like who have been waiting longer will get a turn now?
 
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Christy Ada

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application submitted feb 2023
got AOR on march 2023

Nov 2024 request of valid passport
submitted request doc on December 2024

AIP received on jan 06 2025

waiting Medical and the second stage process

i hope 2025 will be good year for all of us who have not travel or seen there family for more then 7 to 10 years its painful but lets keep prying .
Congratulations!
 

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Canada has never guaranteed parent sponsorship and has always allowed a limited number of applicant per year that has never come close to meeting demand. This is not new. Supervisas were always visit visas. A visitor is not allowed to stay in Canada indefinitely. There are many countries that do not allow parent sponsorship or limit it. Let’s not be ridiculous we are not living in Russia. Has anyone come to your home to either arrest you or threaten you for voicing your opinion? Have your parents already been forcibly detained and removed with no legal options? Although I think government programs have been irresponsible I also recognize that places like in Sudan for example is not the same as somewhere like India. The irony is that most of the Sudanese H&C applicants have not received approval and processing has been extremely slow and they are experiencing a civil war.

Canada has an ageing population. Canada uses immigration to address our ageing population this is no secret. Canada literally awards points based on age. The younger you are the more points you receive. Yes those born in Canada may have their parents living in a Canada but their parents also likely worked and paid taxes in Canada. Many of these parents were first generation immigrants whose parents did not/could not immigrate to Canada. My grandmother immigrated to Canada from the UK with none of her family. She returned home to see her parents once before they died. This is not an unusual story.
Absolutely, people from war zones like Sudanese facing civil war currently are suffering a lot and more deserve to get H&C approval compared with country like India with high financial stability and moderate quality of life this is completely unfair and unjust, just because some members here are making 100k plus it does not gives them right and guarantee to bring their elders whom almost on The edge of the grave and make pressure on healthcare and wasted taxpayers money and resources, I hope ircc make more restrictions on H&C pathways to not allowing disqualified people like TRV holders , PGWP holders, exc.. not misusing the system
 

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I know some parents from a certain community/country just came here to get their PR card,they are not going to stay here/will head back to their country of origin and probably will come again when they will need treatment,are we not draining resources here?and here I am,cant make my widow mother a permanent resident,she has been here with me for 10+ years,her mother was a canadian national,all her brothers/siblings/newphew/nieces are Canadian(they all were born here),and why the govt allowing people to get PR who wouldnt even stay here and denying family reunification to those who want to stay here/doesnt have any other place to go?and how this is fair?why cant they reform the program and make it something like who have been waiting longer will get a turn now?
absolutely thats my point! It makes sense, I understand if you deny PR to new commers as they are not settled yet and they have not used super visa option! but if someone is settled in the country for decades been always employed, their parents used Super visa and it’s maxed out give them option for PR after 10 years dont put them through another temporary program while other Canadians’ parents immigrate here within 6 months
 
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Kip4987

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On Oct 30 th I received request to confirm and after that nothing else, it’s been almost 2.5 months since the request,

I am wondering why did they ask for address?
Let me know if any one knows why IRCC request to confirm residential address
 

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On Oct 30 th I received request to confirm and after that nothing else, it’s been almost 2.5 months since the request,

I am wondering why did they ask for address?
Let me know if any one knows why IRCC request to confirm residential address
When the IRCC (Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada) asks you to confirm your residential address, it’s typically to ensure that they have the most up-to-date information on file. This could be for several reasons:



1. Application Processing: They may need to verify your current address to send important documents (like permanent resident cards, visas, or correspondence). Sometimes, they require an address update to ensure all future communications reach you.



2. **Background Checks:** In some cases, they may be verifying details for security, criminal, or other checks as part of the application process.



3. **Address for Biometrics or Interview Requests:** The request could be in preparation for asking you to appear in person, either for biometrics or an interview.



4. **Permanent Residence or Citizenship Processing:** If your application is for permanent residence or citizenship, confirming your address ensures that they know where to send documents regarding your status.



The 2.5-month delay is not uncommon in processing times, but if you haven't received any follow-up, it's a good idea to check with the IRCC to confirm the status of your application. You can contact them directly or through your online account (if applicable) to inquire about the status and whether any additional information is needed from your side.
 
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