refugee returned to mother land after naturalization

[lavocado917]

I am more concern with your safety.



This is a wrong assumption. How would someone on the street know your Canadian citizenship? If the country wasn't safe for LGBTQ+, it's usually not just the government.
You are not a foreigner and only so much the Canadian Ambassy can do if something happen to you. And if they can do anything at all, it may be too late.

Hi as mentioned above on my comment in response to canuck yes as long as you keep it low profile you are fine. basically not all gays are feminine. most are masculine i assume and those whom are feminine they just need to be discreet no one will assault you because you are feminine and mind your business . people know there are straight whom are feminine . however those showing off in streets and want to make it public and normal then they are the ones looking for trouble !

 

[lavocado917]

I am more concern with your safety.



This is a wrong assumption. How would someone on the street know your Canadian citizenship? If the country wasn't safe for LGBTQ+, it's usually not just the government.
You are not a foreigner and only so much the Canadian Ambassy can do if something happen to you. And if they can do anything at all, it may be too late.

getting canadian citizenship requires several years and things shift and circumstance are not the same . country of origin laws are different. and persecutition could be from gov as well as it could me from small minorities.

 

[lavocado917]

Nobody is questioning whether people can visit their home country. OP is essentially moving to their home country. Being persecuted because you are gay does not change if you have a Canadian passport especially if you will likely be treated as a citizen by your home country. It may help slightly but does not change risk factors of being part of the LGBtQIA+ in the general population outside mostly tourist/expat communities. All asylum seekers and refugees share the same requirement of proof that they are unsafe living in their home country. I don’t think people are paying attention to geopolitics and the almost worldwide pushback against refugees and asylum seekers and the measures being put in by governments. Most of the world is swinging to the right and becoming more populist and as economies face more headwinds this will likely get worse. The goal of the asylum system is resettlement longterm in a country which is why we invest so much in asylum seekers and refugees upfront. Examples of asylum seekers leaving Canada permanently or for an extended period of time soon after getting Canadian citizenship will likely have such negative impacts on genuine asylum seekers who may never even be able to visit their home country.

Would add that governments could go after previous protected people or refugees or at least try if they misrepresented their need for protection in their home country. There have been cases of Canadian citizens who were found to have misrepresented something in their original asylum claim and the government has gone after their status in Canada.

Getting Canadian citizenship and being offered protection by a country is something sought after by 100M+ people at the moment. Why anyone would put that status at risk (even if a minor risk at the moment) or risk someone questioning if they were ever a genuine asylum seeker boggles my mind. I can’t imagine the outrage and pushback if people were already anti-asylum seeker/refugee. Sadly there are more and more of those people in Canada which asylum seekers, protected people and refugees even after citizenship need to be aware of.

yes you are right about it that canada can’t do much . believe me in my country of origin the gov will never screw up with european allies nor canadian let alone usa the biggest ally ever .

where i used to live foreigners have more rights than locals themselves.

by the way my country is islamic and you are correct about the canadian passport wont let you be trans however if you keep it low profile and discreet nobody will talk to you

worst scenario if you are feminine then the population will oppress you and not the gov at all if anything happens you might to jail for example for public sexual act but not for the mere fact of being gay .
weve seen european gays being released for holding dual citizenship
im speaking with knowledge thats why i said it is fine and circumstances change for a dual citizen lets take a gay coming from my country as an example

 

[YVR123]

Hi as mentioned above on my comment in response to canuck yes as long as you keep it low profile you are fine. basically not all gays are feminine. most are masculine i assume and those whom are feminine they just need to be discreet no one will assault you because you are feminine and mind your business . people know there are straight whom are feminine . however those showing off in streets and want to make it public and normal then they are the ones looking for trouble !

I am not assuming that OP is gay nor "feminine". I am not assuming that OP is a "hm". But OP lived in Canada for so long, he/she may be used to expressing him/herself as he/she is.
And that's NOT showing off. It's just living a normal life.

 

[lavocado917]

I am not assuming that OP is gay nor "feminine". I am not assuming that OP is a "hm". But OP lived in Canada for so long, he/she may be used to expressing him/herself as he/she is.
And that's NOT showing off. It's just living a normal life.

yes well he is free to return and re availement doesnt apply to him the rest is just fear mongering . some people whom have anti refugee agenda tend to scare people off .
it makes them happy i guess

 

[YVR123]

yes well he is free to return and re availement doesnt apply to him the rest is just fear mongering . some people whom have anti refugee agenda tend to scare people off .
it makes them happy i guess

Not trying to scare anyone off. Just want OP to be aware and make a conscious decision.

 

[canuck78]

yes well he is free to return and re availement doesnt apply to him the rest is just fear mongering . some people whom have anti refugee agenda tend to scare people off .
it makes them happy i guess

This has nothing to do with reavailment nor is anyone claiming it does. This has to do with whether it can be interpreted that someone genuinely had fears for their safety in their home country and made a genuine claim to begin with if they can return to live in their home country soon after they gained Canadian citizenship. Also about the integrity of the asylum system if we are giving asylum to people who can easily return to live in their home country when there has been no country condition changes.

 

[canuck78]

Hi as mentioned above on my comment in response to canuck yes as long as you keep it low profile you are fine. basically not all gays are feminine. most are masculine i assume and those whom are feminine they just need to be discreet no one will assault you because you are feminine and mind your business . people know there are straight whom are feminine . however those showing off in streets and want to make it public and normal then they are the ones looking for trouble !

You do realize that in many countries most are not obvious of about any form of sexuality and people are still hurt or killed? If discretion was enough to be free from discrimination you are essentially undermining the justification for most women and members of the LGBTQIA+ needing asylum.

 

[lavocado917]

You do realize that in many countries most are not obvious of about any form of sexuality and people are still hurt or killed? If discretion was enough to be free from discrimination you are essentially undermining the justification for most women and members of the LGBTQIA+ needing asylum.

i wonder what you mean as soon as getting citizenship? the op suggests he returned after 6 months and never return as a refugee nor pr refugee. so if we add that 7 years total would be 7.5 years unless he returned before or renewed his passport. nobody knows .
im not undermining nobody i gave you a live example of my country where the state doesnt pursue dual citizens like many other countries and despite they are religious however political refugee are another story it changes the whole picture. the latter is persecuted to death inlike apostats or lgbtq whom are free to be whomever they are as long as they are discreet and even better when they hold a european,canadian,american citizenship

 

[canuck78]

i wonder what you mean as soon as getting citizenship? the op suggests he returned after 6 months and never return as a refugee nor pr refugee. so if we add that 7 years total would be 7.5 years unless he returned before or renewed his passport. nobody knows .
im not undermining nobody i gave you a live example of my country where the state doesnt pursue dual citizens like many other countries and despite they are religious however political refugee are another story it changes the whole picture. the latter is persecuted to death inlike apostats or lgbtq whom are free to be whomever they are as long as they are discreet and even better when they hold a european,canadian,american citizenship

6 months after getting citizenship is soon after getting citizenship. This also sounds like the same person who posted a while ago who had a similar post and their intention was to remain in their home country longterm. The time in Canada but before citizenship makes no difference in this situation. If being discreet about your sexuality was the only thing required to remain safe in many countries then there would be no need for asylum for most LGBTQIA+ people. Would add same theory goes for many women seeking asylum.

 

[Cayman]

I have just one question: can you show a case, for example from canlii.org, where someone had their citizenship revoked after visiting their home country? I doubt such a case exists, but if it has, please paste it here. Everything else is unnecessary chatter, and the only relevant comment is the one at the beginning by Scylla, the only VIP member who always writes correctly and sticks to the facts.

 

[lavocado917]

I have just one question: can you show a case, for example from canlii.org, where someone had their citizenship revoked after visiting their home country? I doubt such a case exists, but if it has, please paste it here. Everything else is unnecessary chatter, and the only relevant comment is the one at the beginning by Scylla, the only VIP member who always writes correctly and sticks to the facts.

have seen none . actually these same people have an anti immigration agenda . though they are refugees and immigrants themselves.
its unfortunate but humans are bad

 

[lavocado917]

I am not assuming that OP is gay nor "feminine". I am not assuming that OP is a "hm". But OP lived in Canada for so long, he/she may be used to expressing him/herself as he/she is.
And that's NOT showing off. It's just living a normal life.

Hello i want to address your statement that how would others know if he has a dual citizenship. indeed nobody does but once someone attack a foreigner or dual and the police intervene they would get a special treatment similar and for sure they would pursue the agitators . my coutry as many others rely on the foreign currency that these people bring and support economy .
most former refugees from europe come back without any issues either with the country of origin nor with hoat country in the shengen area . ii myself know too many whom returned soon after getting citizenship.
we have stront bounds with our family no matter what.

 

[lavocado917]

6 months after getting citizenship is soon after getting citizenship. This also sounds like the same person who posted a while ago who had a similar post and their intention was to remain in their home country longterm. The time in Canada but before citizenship makes no difference in this situation. If being discreet about your sexuality was the only thing required to remain safe in many countries then there would be no need for asylum for most LGBTQIA+ people. Would add same theory goes for many women seeking asylum.

7-8 years is a lot of time for humans given the the short we pass away i would consider your opinion if he returns pre citizenship but your statement makes no sense for me in regards to the timing so he should have waited until he loses inheritance or himself/his parents die .
nonetheless i respected your view on the master rule that canada cant help and dual citizenship means nothing however i dont want to repeat and prove you my point again
i know a lot about my country and yes sir its a modern 3rd world country near europe and other arabs /african countries indeed dual citizens of all countries in shengen and canada get a lot of privileges when they turn citizens.
many of our dual citizens live in europe and they come back after citizenship without problem . there is even cases where foreigners born citizenship committed paedophilia and they got released this is a bad example but lets hope you change your mind one day

ive been to latin america and foreigners get special treatment just like my country of origin with foreigners

just dont takk like you are an expert and for me saying canada is weak thats not true . canada is a g7 country and where ever i travel i received a good treatment thanks to that
actually with all my due respect i been reading your comments for awhile and i guess you have you have an anti agenda immigration i hope at least that you are a native white because if youre an immigrant its a disaster and yet the whites have also emigrated at one moment in their life to the first nations land lol