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[Deleted member 1083629]

So why didn't you go? Is that fee installment that significant to affect choosing between CAN and NL?

I had option to Master's in US as well, I opted for Canada (questionable) but I made my decision I don't cry about it

Timing, really. I got an offer in September and I got my passport back in September as well. That's it.

Plus, the fee. It was 1 out of 2; roughly 5K. Plus, I knew Canada already. I knew how to deal with housing, I knew the city, I knew how to look and find a job, I knew a lot about CA. It was just easier.

I don't cry at all. I criticize Canada for obvious reasons. People here don't want to look at things clearly. Problems are clear; unaffordable housing, unsustainable immigration rate, the immigration attracts mostly people from certain regions that affect the level of service others get, healthcare, etc. That's it.

Mate, I don't want to argue about this whole thing again. Mod will come and delete my posts. You do you. Best of luck to you!

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Don't waste your breath, mate.

I'm not wasting my breath because I'm not arguing. People like my posts because I'm mostly unbiased and paint both the good and the bad parts of the picture. People fail to understand what's a discussion and what's an argument, or what's criticism and what's complaint. I don't care, the data is there (55% haven't become citizens, 30% looking to leave very soon). I only share info along with my personal experience. When I'm researching something on the internet, I'll want to hear both good and bad experiences because the reality is the sum of them all. My first post included both my good and bad experiences. It's just insane that people get seriously butthurt because some random stranger said something about some random foreign country on some random website.

There isn't a single country that has literally everything perfect. But this won't change the fact that Canada is a cold, boring country with a ponzi scheme of a real estate market, unbelievably shitty and small job market, high taxes, low paychecks, and a joke of a health care system (if you call it a system). I'll enjoy the passport, sure, but I'm sane enough to understand I'll just take all I can from any country and not be completely dense to the point I'm literally arguing with random strangers online for what they might have said about some random foreign country.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

I'm not wasting my breath because I'm not arguing. People like my posts because I'm mostly unbiased and paint both the good and the bad parts of the picture. People fail to understand what's a discussion and what's an argument, or what's criticism and what's complaint. I don't care, the data is there (55% haven't become citizens, 30% looking to leave very soon). I only share info along with my personal experience. When I'm researching something on the internet, I'll want to hear both good and bad experiences because the reality is the sum of them all. My first post included both my good and bad experiences. It's just insane that people get seriously butthurt because some random stranger said something about some random foreign country on some random website.

There isn't a single country that has literally everything perfect. But this won't change the fact that Canada is a cold, boring country with a ponzi scheme of a real estate market, unbelievably shitty and small job market, high taxes, low paychecks, and a joke of a health care system (if you call it a system). I'll enjoy the passport, sure, but I'm sane enough to understand I'll just take all I can from any country and not be completely dense to the point I'm literally arguing with random strangers online for what they might have said about some random foreign country.

I know )) I have already shared my experience that is in line with what the survey says and what you say; most of people just wait for their passport and already planning to leave. Sooner or later we will get that guy that will use his friend who is a millionaire-immigrant as an example of how "everyone can become a millionaire if they work hard in initial years".

I agree with most things you have written. That's why I look at CA as a temp stop; I think you look at it the same way.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

I know ))

Why do Russian (or Slavic in general) people omit the : when they're typing smiley faces?

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Why do Russian (or Slavic in general) people omit the : when they're typing smiley faces?

Lol mate. I don't really know. Something that was adopted from RuNet. I am sure that there is a reason behind it but I am lazy to search for it )

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Lol mate. I don't really know. Something that was adopted from RuNet. I am sure that there is a reason behind it but I am lazy to search for it )

I've Googled it before and just done it again but I can't find any satisfactory answers. I see various reasons people list, no consensus. Such a mystery.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

I've Googled it before and just done it again but I can't find any satisfactory answers. I see various reasons people list, no consensus. Such a mystery.

Waste of time. Started somewhere in RuNet, was carried forward over the years. Why it started and where is impossible to track, really. Probably somewhere around Fishki or Pikabu or what else was popular back in 20XX.

 

[seadrag0n]

Timing, really. I got an offer in September and I got my passport back in September as well. That's it.

Plus, the fee. It was 1 out of 2; roughly 5K. Plus, I knew Canada already. I knew how to deal with housing, I knew the city, I knew how to look and find a job, I knew a lot about CA. It was just easier.

I don't cry at all. I criticize Canada for obvious reasons. People here don't want to look at things clearly. Problems are clear; unaffordable housing, unsustainable immigration rate, the immigration attracts mostly people from certain regions that affect the level of service others get, healthcare, etc. That's it.

Mate, I don't want to argue about this whole thing again. Mod will come and delete my posts. You do you. Best of luck to you!

Admit it bro, the real reason you didn't take that Uber job was because that was just a temporary work visa and for Canada, it was permanent. What if you took that job and they laid you off later on like other big tech companies and your COPR expired during that time?

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Admit it bro, the real reason you didn't take that Uber job was because that was just a temporary work visa and for Canada, it was permanent. What if you took that job and they laid you off later on like other big tech companies and your COPR expired during that time?

Read about labor laws in NL and Blue Card benefits. Compare it with CA and then you will understand how absurd your post is.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Admit it bro, the real reason you didn't take that Uber job was because that was just a temporary work visa and for Canada, it was permanent. What if you took that job and they laid you off later on like other big tech companies and your COPR expired during that time?

Two of the main reasons why I chose Canada at that time was that I knew CA and I started the process to immigrate already. At that time, I was tired of immigration. I didn't want to go through another round of immigration (fees, ADRs, etc.). However, I still started it with diploma evaluation just because of poor performance by IRCC. People from Feb 21 are still waiting.

 

[seadrag0n]

Read about labor laws in NL and Blue Card benefits. Compare it with CA and then you will understand how absurd your post is.

Then you made a huge blunder in coming here if you had the option to settle in EU permanently. Everybody here already knows how bad the job market is in Canada compared to any country in EU.

Two of the main reasons why I chose Canada at that time was that I knew CA and I started the process to immigrate already. At that time, I was tired of immigration. I didn't want to go through another round of immigration (fees, ADRs, etc.). However, I still started it with diploma evaluation just because of poor performance by IRCC. People from Feb 21 are still waiting.

Your complaints about Canada are just on another level, if I had the same mindset, I would have already left.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Then you made a huge blunder in coming here if you had the option to settle in EU permanently. Everybody here already knows how bad the job market is in Canada compared to any country in EU.

Yup. I was just tired of immigration journey. 18 months of BS killed my drive and gave me serious immigration PTSD. Couldn't find energy to go through it again. 2-3 months of silence from IRCC and I don't think I would have been here.

Your complaints about Canada are just on another level, if I had the same mindset, I would have already left.

I am looking at CA as a temp step. We are in the middle of WW 3. Many refugees from Ukraine, Russia. I just want a little bit of break from immigration and moving around.

I just repeat things that are true.

Anyways, I am off this forum for a while. Best of luck to everyone who is in their process and I hope that your expectations match the reality.

 

[GandiBaat]

I'm simply trying to understand the other side here. Maybe I'm privileged and I don't see something very obvious. But so far, I don't see a case here.

People are assuming that their own perceived value is the actual value. I think in a fairly transparent CRS system+with open data on draw dates inconsistency there's a lot of wishful thinking that leads to wrong expectations. When everything is so open a mature person shouldn't assume everything. That's where I am unable to understand the other side.

I've seen people call the immigration minister, PM, etc all sorts of names on twitter - I can't support people who do that in a right mind. I am not even able to see what frustrates them? Does landing on a TRV entitles them to stay permanently? These things are fundamentally wrong.

People have to define the core pillars/themes of their case. Saying stuff like "I paid taxes" is not a case. I worked in EU, US and other places where I paid way more taxes and I never said it. I never met anyone else who said it either.

The other side has to help me (and many others like me) understand better to empathize. We want success for all and happy to support people. But how do you support without reasoning?

May I ask, does anyone know about anything as "Actual value". Is there anything as actual value? Do you know "actual value" of say an orange or just the price you paid?

All there is an estimation or appraisal of sorts. CSR score is one such tool. It estimates your value based on a number of parameters. If it is high enough to push you in ranks high enough, Canada invites you. So if that tool CSR is good enough for canadian system, I guess you do not have any better means to put any other value on a person. If Canada invites a person at say CSR 450, there is value enough.

This is the "core pillar" you are seeking.

All the people who are calling immigration minister, PM etc are mostly frustrated with Canadian immigration system for their delayed or broken processing of the application. And thats a fair thing to do. To even call names. Because they PAID for that service.

Can we agree at this point?

If you PAY for a service, here, for processing your immigration file, you are ENTITLED for it? ENTITLED in a resonable time? Because you paid for it?

 

[GandiBaat]

Okay, a lot of emotions here I see. Let's make it more objective. Are you saying that the application processing fees is a scam? In what context is this being said? Is it in context to:
1. Student visa applications
2. LMIA
3. Work permits
4. PR applications
5. or, all

Because that's easy to understand

I am saying is this:

NOT processing express entry PR application in a reasonable time ie Service Level Agreement of your program OR Not processing old (2013 era) fsw applications AT ALL with no compensation, after taking fee is a scam, swindle and a crime.

Is this objective enough?

 

[GandiBaat]

But they are doing it in their interest, they don't really care about people like you or I. The government of canada isn't an altruistic entity, it has its own national interests

But we still come because the deal they offer is better than most around the world. The day that is no longer the case, people will stop immigrating

At the end of the day you chose to immigrate here because you chose or couldn't qualify for another country, so stop crying about it

Well if you say that :

So stop crying about it

Then, do you also agree that, being "grateful" to Canada for granting you PR or citizenship is also a stupid idea?

If the deal worked out for you, then there is no need to be grateful to the counter-party because after all it was a deal with both side having calculated their pros and cons. Egro, below quoted is a patently false idea. Do you agree?

After all you do not feel "grateful to vegetable vendor" just because your vegetable vendor sold you the vegetable at the market price. It was good for both of you.

I think most people are entitled and underestimate the true cost of a citizenship. It is ~$500k in most cases. If you are getting it for free just by waiting, why complain so much? Be grateful for it