Request for Experts Case Review

[montrealworker]

Dear Experts,

This forum is one of the best ever with great inputs!! I need your views on this case

- Living in Canada since Oct 2017
- PR Expires on 01 October 2025
- We have two mortgages one for our house (20 years ending 2040) and one for car.

- Citizenship to be submitted on 10 Sept 2023 (1110 days)

- After submitting citizenship application we want to travel outside so the kids live with their both parents for a year. Intended travel date is 30 Sept 2023 (two weeks after submitting our citizenship application).

On the ceremony, We have no issues returning back to Canada to do it as soon as we are notified.

Reason for travel outside is spouse on a 25 years old job and retiring in Dec 2026: thus, we need to stay together until he completes his retirement and return to Canada.

Please expert give your advice on Two questions:

- Is there a risk on our application in terms of the citizenship test (do i have to return to do it inside Canada), if yes when its expected after the application?

- Does a 13 Years old child have to be physically inside to do the test?

Any errors or mistakes to watch for when submitting the citizenship applications

 

[medwiz]

Dear Experts,

This forum is one of the best ever with great inputs!! I need your views on this case

- Living in Canada since Oct 2017
- PR Expires on 01 October 2025
- We have two mortgages one for our house (20 years ending 2040) and one for car.

- Citizenship to be submitted on 10 Sept 2022 (1110 days)

- After submitting citizenship application we want to travel outside so the kids live with their both parents for a year. Intended travel date is 30 Sept 2022 (two weeks after submitting our citizenship application).

On the ceremony, We have no issues returning back to Canada to do it as soon as we are notified.

Reason for travel outside is spouse on a 25 years old job and retiring in Dec 2026: thus, we need to stay together until he completes his retirement and return to Canada.

Please expert give your advice on Two questions:

- Is there a risk on our application in terms of the citizenship test (do i have to return to do it inside Canada), if yes when its expected after the application?

- Does a 13 Years old child have to be physically inside to do the test?

Any errors or mistakes to watch for when submitting the citizenship applications

Well I'm certainly no "Expert" but I have read in this forum that people have been allowed to take the test from outside Canada...you need to notify them first when you get the test invite
As for when you can expect it...it's anyone's guess really there is no consistency in the timelines..maybe expect it after 2-3 months of receiving AOR although no one can accurately predict.. could be more time could be quicker

A 13 year old does not have to take a Citizenship test

My advice: please please read the application instructions very carefully...read and then re read...alot of very common mistakes can be avoided if more attention is taken to the instructions...best of luck

 

[forw.jane]

Dear Experts,

This forum is one of the best ever with great inputs!! I need your views on this case

- Living in Canada since Oct 2017
- PR Expires on 01 October 2025
- We have two mortgages one for our house (20 years ending 2040) and one for car.

- Citizenship to be submitted on 10 Sept 2022 (1110 days)

- After submitting citizenship application we want to travel outside so the kids live with their both parents for a year. Intended travel date is 30 Sept 2022 (two weeks after submitting our citizenship application).

On the ceremony, We have no issues returning back to Canada to do it as soon as we are notified.

Reason for travel outside is spouse on a 25 years old job and retiring in Dec 2026: thus, we need to stay together until he completes his retirement and return to Canada.

Please expert give your advice on Two questions:

- Is there a risk on our application in terms of the citizenship test (do i have to return to do it inside Canada), if yes when its expected after the application?

- Does a 13 Years old child have to be physically inside to do the test?

Any errors or mistakes to watch for when submitting the citizenship applications

The dates you have mentioned are from the past. Have you already applied for citizenship? Once you receive your citizenship test request, you do have an option to request for taking the test from outside Canada. Its difficult to predict when you will receive test request as it depends on your application type(online/paper), processing office etc. Ceremony becomes tricky as many times they keep your application on hold till you return to Canada and provide them with proof(boarding pass) that you did return. After you return the date for your oath ceremony cannot be predicted too.

The best you can do now is submit your application and take future steps based on the movement of your application.

 

[montrealworker]

The dates you have mentioned are from the past. Have you already applied for citizenship? Once you receive your citizenship test request, you do have an option to request for taking the test from outside Canada. Its difficult to predict when you will receive test request as it depends on your application type(online/paper), processing office etc. Ceremony becomes tricky as many times they keep your application on hold till you return to Canada and provide them with proof(boarding pass) that you did return. After you return the date for your oath ceremony cannot be predicted too.

The best you can do now is submit your application and take future steps based on the movement of your application.

Hi Dear,

Its Sept 2023 (next year).... submission of application...

 

[akbardxb]

Dear Experts,

This forum is one of the best ever with great inputs!! I need your views on this case

- Living in Canada since Oct 2017
- PR Expires on 01 October 2025
- We have two mortgages one for our house (20 years ending 2040) and one for car.

- Citizenship to be submitted on 10 Sept 2023 (1110 days)

- After submitting citizenship application we want to travel outside so the kids live with their both parents for a year. Intended travel date is 30 Sept 2023 (two weeks after submitting our citizenship application).

On the ceremony, We have no issues returning back to Canada to do it as soon as we are notified.

Reason for travel outside is spouse on a 25 years old job and retiring in Dec 2026: thus, we need to stay together until he completes his retirement and return to Canada.

Please expert give your advice on Two questions:

- Is there a risk on our application in terms of the citizenship test (do i have to return to do it inside Canada), if yes when its expected after the application?

- Does a 13 Years old child have to be physically inside to do the test?

Any errors or mistakes to watch for when submitting the citizenship applications

Enough evidence here, without any official declaration, that those who leave Canada after applying and/or taking the test outside, experience delayed processing.

Online tests became the norm during Covid. Will they resume only in person tests? No one knows for sure, even though I feel it is significantly cheaper for IRCC to administer tests online only. Maybe they will continue this indefinitely and only the oath may resume in person. There was talk about signing a declaration and doing away with the oath, or something to that effect, so that is also a variable.

Sep 2023 is a year away and many things will change by then. Some for the better some for the worse

 

[montrealworker]

Am lost cause some who stayed have their application delayed, some who had to attend to urgent things and travelled overseas to feed their families had normal processing time......

do you mean that the guidance in ICCR website is not true and they have bad intensions?

 

[akbardxb]

Am lost cause some who stayed have their application delayed, some who had to attend to urgent things and travelled overseas to feed their families had normal processing time......

do you mean that the guidance in ICCR website is not true and they have bad intensions?

It is unlikely officers have 'bad intentions' at IRCC; they will follow the guidelines issued by the ministry. Maybe there is a policy to prioritize applicants who continue to be in Canada after application.

All of us have families to feed or some other obligation - everyone's journey is different. I haven't been to see family for almost seven years now. That's a choice I made and prioritized my citizenship.

Normal processing time on the website comes with a caveat which is x% of all applications will fall within that time frame. There will be outliers and in this case, I tend to believe that outliers will be those who have a history of 'extended travel' esp after application.

What if Covid had not happened and all tests / interviews and oaths were in person? Would applicants still be rushing off outside Canada for their personal reasons immediately after applying?

 

[montrealworker]

It is unlikely officers have 'bad intentions' at IRCC; they will follow the guidelines issued by the ministry. Maybe there is a policy to prioritize applicants who continue to be in Canada after application.

All of us have families to feed or some other obligation - everyone's journey is different. I haven't been to see family for almost seven years now. That's a choice I made and prioritized my citizenship.

Normal processing time on the website comes with a caveat which is x% of all applications will fall within that time frame. There will be outliers and in this case, I tend to believe that outliers will be those who have a history of 'extended travel' esp after application.

What if Covid had not happened and all tests / interviews and oaths were in person? Would applicants still be rushing off outside Canada for their personal reasons immediately after applying?

Do you mean they have two treatments one for Canadian inside & outside: but both pay taxes and they abroad only for work and income to pay their mortgages.. Are you sure of your saying?

 

[akbardxb]

Do you mean they have two treatments one for Canadian inside & outside: but both pay taxes and they abroad only for work and income to pay their mortgages.. Are you sure of your saying?

By leaving, you are making a choice and choices have consequences. The world isn't a perfect place.

 

[montrealworker]

By leaving, you are making a choice and choices have consequences. The world isn't a perfect place.

So you are saying they don't follow the rules they have on books and they decide based on people choices...

So if you have kids and they want to go out to work, you will expel them from the house? pls explain

 

[linxord]

So you are saying they don't follow the rules they have on books and they decide based on people choices...

So if you have kids and they want to go out to work, you will expel them from the house? pls explain

I'm not sure what answers you are looking for. what @akbardxb mentioned was from evidence on the forum and what has been seen with other people. There is no other information, you can always call IRCC and ask them directly how it all works out. In the end choices are yours for sure. Those are the facts in front of you.
Good luck in whatever you end up deciding!

 

[A_S]

So you are saying they don't follow the rules they have on books and they decide based on people choices...

So if you have kids and they want to go out to work, you will expel them from the house? pls explain

This is not the forum where experts will chip in to give you ideas on how to bend the rules. Members have already given you high level understanding on how things are worked upon currently and you seem to be also aware of rules. If you donot have patience to keep following this forum, come back close to when you apply in October next year to check on current trends. Now that you know this forum, instead of being dependent on other's and challenge them back, do a quick search on top and you will be able to find all your questions discussed in threads. It is you who have to decide what works best for yourself as everyone has their own priorities and commitments.

 

[trumprefugee]

Do you mean they have two treatments one for Canadian inside & outside: but both pay taxes and they abroad only for work and income to pay their mortgages.. Are you sure of your saying?

Not for Canadians. For citizenship applicants. Canadian citizens are equal, whether they are inside or outside Canada. Unfortunately not the case for PRs, even though PRs pay taxes as well. Actually that's the case in pretty much all other countries as well. Citizens have full rights. Non-citizens get inferior treatment.

We don't write the rules; IRCC does. Actually IRCC can do whatever they want as long as they don't blatantly violate the laws, which provide a lot of leeway. So while the rules allow you to leave Canada after applying for citizenship, they do not prescribe a specific processing timeframe, so IRCC is free to put applications of those living abroad on the back burner, especially when they have so many excuses for their backlog these days. We are just reporting the trends we have been seeing. And the trend has been that those who are known or perceived by IRCC to be staying abroad for longer than a short vacation, and those who take the test from outside Canada, tend to face delays in their applications.

 

[armoured]

Canadian citizens are equal, whether they are inside or outside Canada. Unfortunately not the case for PRs, even though PRs pay taxes as well. Actually that's the case in pretty much all other countries as well. Citizens have full rights. Non-citizens get inferior treatment.

I think this is a misstatement, as impossible to compare: only non-citizens can apply to become citizens.

And at any rate, goes down the same mistaken "something different happened to me therefore it's wrong because discrimination" blah blah blah. That's not the way the charter works. It prohibits discrimination based on being a member of certain 'groups', but there's no indication anywhere, in the charter or court cases (as far as I'm aware) that 'canadians (including PRs) applying for some benefit' are considered a 'group.'

Or put differently: yes, the government often can 'discriminate' between cases that are different. It can issue passports on an urgent basis to those who need them earlier. It already has a process to give urgent treatment for those who need citizenship for, eg., employment in Canada (and yet oddly we see here all the time people asking about whether they could ask for that so they could work outside Canada - which is, you know, funny). I believe, legally, it could decide to give priority to those applicants for citizenship who are clearly residing in Canada (or, other side of the coin, de-prioritize those applications for those outside Canada).

And sure - some here take the extreme position that "the law doesn't specifically say anything about it, therefore I'm going to do it." Okay - but it doesn't automatically follow that you have a legal basis to complain about discrimination (equality of treatment or protection) under the Charter if they decide to slow walk your application. (Side note: disagree with me? Okay, hire a lawyer).

Actually IRCC can do whatever they want as long as they don't blatantly violate the laws, which provide a lot of leeway. So while the rules allow you to leave Canada after applying for citizenship, they do not prescribe a specific processing timeframe, so IRCC is free to put applications of those living abroad on the back burner

Exactly. (Also just to make clear my comments above not directed at hyou)

 

[montrealworker]

Not for Canadians. For citizenship applicants. Canadian citizens are equal, whether they are inside or outside Canada. Unfortunately not the case for PRs, even though PRs pay taxes as well. Actually that's the case in pretty much all other countries as well. Citizens have full rights. Non-citizens get inferior treatment.

We don't write the rules; IRCC does. Actually IRCC can do whatever they want as long as they don't blatantly violate the laws, which provide a lot of leeway. So while the rules allow you to leave Canada after applying for citizenship, they do not prescribe a specific processing timeframe, so IRCC is free to put applications of those living abroad on the back burner, especially when they have so many excuses for their backlog these days. We are just reporting the trends we have been seeing. And the trend has been that those who are known or perceived by IRCC to be staying abroad for longer than a short vacation, and those who take the test from outside Canada, tend to face delays in their applications.

Mr. Trump, the champion: Do you mean that ICRCC rules and books are not used when they treat PRs ... I understand that Canadians apply the highest human rights principals... and millions of PRs are in and outside......

You say that PRs dont have their PR rights and there is a hidden treatment? am confused