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[ElvisRamaj]

I totally understand and somewhat agree with you @ElvisRamaj. And trust me I can sense the frustration you're going through right now.
I really wanna say that the scores will drop and you will be selected, which you will eventually hopefully.
But somewhere deep down I think we know what the real agenda for IRCC is right now, they have restarted all program draws not for the FSW candidates but just to keep the ball rolling until they can get back to CEC. This is my opinion, I hope I am proved wrong because I'm a FSW aspirant as well. However, it's pretty lucid to me now that the all-program draw is nothing but a gimmick.

Also I do not support Kubeir.

For the moment, there is no indication for specific draws, so let's stay on this course.

Moreover, candidates above 501, which IRCC is conducting the draws are either French speakers, Canadian graduates or CEC, so they are actually having the diversity they are aiming for.

 

[Ultraxion]

Sean expressed in multiple situations that CEC will not be given any special treatment, and he never did. The fact CEC are already awarded with more points in the system is enough special treatment for them.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Sean expressed in multiple situations that CEC will not be given any special treatment, and he never did. The fact CEC are already awarded with more points in the system is enough special treatment for them.

I agree with the idea, but I don't trust Sean. He's a slimy weasel, just like Mendicino. He just doesn't look as obviously slimy as Mendicino.

 

[Ultraxion]

I agree with the idea, but I don't trust Sean. He's a slimy weasel, just like Mendicino. He just doesn't look as obviously slimy as Mendicino.

Absolutely. I guess the past 2 yrs has tought us all an important lesson.

 

[ImpatientDragon]

For the moment, there is no indication for specific draws, so let's stay on this course.

Moreover, candidates above 501, which IRCC is conducting the draws are French speakers, Canadian graduates or CEC, so they have the diversity they are aiming for.

You're correct but the CEC candidates will keep tweeting about it and I think that's where all this stems from. I do not see any united representation from FSW candidates on Twitter or other platforms. Meanwhile, CEC candidates keep pushing the rhetoric that they pay taxes and which is a fact. On that basis my assumption is that succumbing to the pressure the IRCC could do a CEC-specific draw.

The only representation FSW candidates show is in the youtube comments section asking whether their score would be selected, which in my opinion is useless speculating how low the CRS would go.

What is important is that IRCC understands the efforts FSW candidates also put in.

 

[littlestar19]

In my humble opinion, I believe they will drop.

Conservative view: Draws increasing up to 2,500 per draw, with 450-500 candidates added each time above CRS 501.

Optimistic view: Draws increasing up to 3,500 per draw (returning to pre-pandemic levels as mentioned before in the memos I believe), in which case you really won't give a damn about how many people are added to the 501 club.

You gave me a little ray of hope.
But, I am still trying to prepare myself for the worst . !

 

[seadrag0n]

I have said from the beginning that CEC only draws will come back. Meanwhile people here were memeing their idiotic "cec is ded" nonsense. Idk when the next CEC draw would be, but it's almost a certainty that it'll be back.

CEC is DED because there will be a new pathway for international students and a new pathway for Ukraine and a new pathway for truck drivers and NOC specific draws next year. This new guy announced a bunch of stuff but there is not enough quota to do all this lol...still playing politics.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

What is important is that IRCC understands the efforts FSW candidates also put in.

This is irrelevant. CECs bring in more money short term. That's all that matters. IRCC does not make policies based on long term projections or outcomes.

 

[ImpatientDragon]

This is irrelevant. CECs bring in more money short term. That's all that matters. IRCC does not make policies based on long-term projections or outcomes.

I understand your comment but that's what I'm saying, at some point, they need to start making policies and think about long-term projections. Stopgap solutions are not useful for the overall good.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

I understand your comment but that's what I'm saying, at some point, they need to start making policies and think about long-term projections. Stopgap solutions are not useful for the overall good.

To be honest, I don't think FSWs by definition add any more or less value to the Canadian economy than CECs. The entire system is flawed, and the points are arbitrary and ill thought out. We all like(d) Canada because of their relatively easy immigration system, and we like to convince ourselves that we're amazing candidates because we have a couple of years of experience and a generic masters in nothingness. Their immigration system was brokn and flawed, which is why we all liked it.

Now it's broken in the completely opposite way where they're reducing (or rather removing) the bar to get in if you're already rich enough to get a degree in Canada (PhDs being the exception because you actually have to be smart to get into a program without paying them). It'll still be an easy system if you get a Canadian degree, but to be able to immigrate from the outside, that chances are negligible now. Whether FSWs ever added value to the Canadian economy is debatable. In my opinion, no they never have, and never will. And to be clear, neither do CECs, but their swan song is TaXeS and this blind belief that this entitles them for more.

 

[seadrag0n]

Whether FSWs ever added value to the Canadian economy is debatable. In my opinion, no they never have, and never will. And to be clear, neither do CECs, but their swan song is TaXeS and this blind belief that this entitles them for more.

Bro, what is point of taking in immigrants then if they add no value and why is Canada doing this for many many years way before even express entry?

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Bro, what is point of taking in immigrants then if they add no value and why is Canada doing this for many many years way before even express entry?

It's not that taking in immigrants isn't valuable. What I'm saying is their criteria have been flawed from the beginning. FSWs benefited from it pre-pandemic, and now FSWs will never be able to immigrate. What Mendi and co have done is senseless mass migration without ever setting up teh infrastructure or zoning laws to support that population. They are increasing their country's population by over 1% every year through immigration, with no laws to improve the housing market. They pretend to select people based on NOCs but then once they get there, those fields are protected and prohibitively expensive to get into, and most people become generic IT monkeys anyway. Ohoh let's get these amazing french speakers outside of Quebec. Who cares though? French is a dying language in Canada, especially outside Quebec, and even Quebec has to desperately try to preserve it through archaic laws that would even put the elitist French to shame.

It is debatable, but I am of the opinion that immigrants are a net good for a developed country. The way Canada is doing it though, it's a net bad. There is no incentive to actually live in Canada. People will just use it as a clean retirement home when the time comes. Why? Well they never addressed what made immigration necessary in the first place. It is prohibitively expensive to raise kids. the housing bubble is ridiculous. Goods and services are far more expensive than what they are worth. Simple things like internet and cell phone plans are among the most expensive (and also the slowest) in the developed world. The leading conservative party nominee jerks off to Trump at night, and the liberal party leader is an absolute moron who appoints imbeciles to slowly chip away at democratic rights. As a country, Canada is screwed long term, and immigrants pretending otherwise won't help.

 

[RSub]

Folks, are you following Monkey Fox news? Cases are surging in Canada and NYC (Similar pattern as Covid). I hope IRCC doesn't come up with new ideas.............

 

[RSub]

It's not that taking in immigrants isn't valuable. What I'm saying is their criteria have been flawed from the beginning. FSWs benefited from it pre-pandemic, and now FSWs will never be able to immigrate. What Mendi and co have done is senseless mass migration without ever setting up teh infrastructure or zoning laws to support that population. They are increasing their country's population by over 1% every year through immigration, with no laws to improve the housing market. They pretend to select people based on NOCs but then once they get there, those fields are protected and prohibitively expensive to get into, and most people become generic IT monkeys anyway. Ohoh let's get these amazing french speakers outside of Quebec. Who cares though? French is a dying language in Canada, especially outside Quebec, and even Quebec has to desperately try to preserve it through archaic laws that would even put the elitist French to shame.

It is debatable, but I am of the opinion that immigrants are a net good for a developed country. The way Canada is doing it though, it's a net bad. There is no incentive to actually live in Canada. People will just use it as a clean retirement home when the time comes. Why? Well they never addressed what made immigration necessary in the first place. It is prohibitively expensive to raise kids. the housing bubble is ridiculous. Goods and services are far more expensive than what they are worth. Simple things like internet and cell phone plans are among the most expensive (and also the slowest) in the developed world. The leading conservative party nominee jerks off to Trump at night, and the liberal party leader is an absolute moron who appoints imbeciles to slowly chip away at democratic rights. As a country, Canada is screwed long term, and immigrants pretending otherwise won't help.

Going South is the best option after getting the Canadian citizenship.

 

[DesiPikachu]

To be honest, I don't think FSWs by definition add any more or less value to the Canadian economy than CECs. The entire system is flawed, and the points are arbitrary and ill thought out. We all like(d) Canada because of their relatively easy immigration system, and we like to convince ourselves that we're amazing candidates because we have a couple of years of experience and a generic masters in nothingness. Their immigration system was brokn and flawed, which is why we all liked it.

Now it's broken in the completely opposite way where they're reducing (or rather removing) the bar to get in if you're already rich enough to get a degree in Canada (PhDs being the exception because you actually have to be smart to get into a program without paying them). It'll still be an easy system if you get a Canadian degree, but to be able to immigrate from the outside, that chances are negligible now. Whether FSWs ever added value to the Canadian economy is debatable. In my opinion, no they never have, and never will. And to be clear, neither do CECs, but their swan song is TaXeS and this blind belief that this entitles them for more.

Sadly it still is the easiest system. What other realistic option does one have for permanent emigration? UK is unreliable and changes it's policies every election. NZ doesn't have much of an economy to speak of. Australia's anti-immigrant sentiment has led to them closing off or restricting most pathways. And directly moving to the USA is for masochists. As for the EU only Germany is realistic - moving there temporarily is easy if you're in tech (challenging otherwise) but getting permanent status is a difficult and long process.

At least with Canada once you're in, you're in for good.