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You said it yourself. Minimum. If you're satisfied with being the bare minimum, good for you I guess?
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You said it yourself. Minimum. If you're satisfied with being the bare minimum, good for you I guess?
It's the attitude I've procured so far whenever I do french related stuff nowadays, for sure. I've seen improvement, so I'd argue that yes, It's been a proper approach to take! At least for me. I do know I'm looking forward to take a C2 test someday, after enough time. Slowly but surely.
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Then we're on the same page.
Either people can say their goal is the 50 point bonus, so B2 is where's it's at. Or you want to learn the language properly for reasons beyond immigration. Let's not conflate the two. B2 is a start. Nothing more.
A start for the latter, the end for the former. These can both be goals that exist simultaneously in an individual, or not. I do think about "sunken" cost though: If you've reached a B2 and plan to settle on Canada long term, why not go all the way? I'm sure it can happen rather organically if you're involved the least bit, with your partly french-speaking community, in your new life as an immigrant.
You're forgetting the 1-2 year working holiday programs that you can take advantage of as a Canadian passport holder. Eligibility for most is till the age of 35 which is more than most countries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_holiday_visa
And getting work visas and residence visas in other countries become a mere formality. I've seen the difference in treatment my cousins got at immigration when they acquired their British passport.
For Indian citizens there are additional advantages - most FEMA/FERA laws don't apply to PIOs/OCIs and it's easier to do business in dollars even if you go back to India. It'll be extremely easy to get admission to IITs, IIMs, and NITs as a foreign citizen, for you and your children.
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What you said is a great point that 2yr prog.
But regarding the last point I am not sure whether that helps because what you said is right you will easily get in iims and nits but this unis are not in top 100 unis in qs rankings, if you are a Canadian citizen you have colleges in top 100 rankings like McGill,uni of alberta, UT,UBC so it just doesn't make sense ,if your kids are okay to move to us(I assume they are not born in india) sky is their limit.
Typical Desi comment
my child will have higher chance to go to IIT and NIT
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Hahahahah this is hilarious. Exactly why I think immigration for economic means is a failed idea. Imagine having a kid grow up in Canada/US and then having them go to college in India lol
Work/residence visas would be the same difficulty as with an Indian passport unless the countries have some special agreement like TN or E3. Only visitor visas get easier or become unnecessary in most cases.
None of these institutions have NRI/OCI quotas. They'd have to go through the same exams and processes as everyone else. Good luck having your first world kid compete against someone cramming in Kota for 4 years. Edit: looks like NITs now have a foreign resident quota.
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About French (my wife's take, since she is the one who did the test):
I agree that B2 is not being proficient in language. Proof? I got B2 (even one higher score) and I am not comfortable speaking French at all. I am only comfortable reading. It might be different for everyone, but French is a difficult language for me.
Which is the point for people who consider taking a French test: it's a difficult language. A 50 point reward might be a good motivation (it was for me! We jumped from 418 to 483 points). But reaching B2 is not easy, especially if you are not good in languages. Or if you simply find French difficult.
The point is: B2 is not fluency, but it IS a huge achievement that is not easy for many people. It's not a joke. It is not something you can achieve in a month or two. If you push hard, I'd say a month or two can get you to A1-A2 level, but that doesn't bring points. 3-4 months of hard work might get you to B1. That's the level where you get 4 points maximum. Everyone should see if it's useful for them, but it's not something you can do casually.
So no, B2 is not being fluent but you have to study a lot and it's not easy. Even B1 requires an effort, and to be honest, too much of an effort for only 4 points.
True, I might just be one of the people who find French extra hard. Maybe it is easier for someone else. But not something one can do casually, imo.
I agree that B2 is not being proficient in language. Proof? I got B2 (even one higher score) and I am not comfortable speaking French at all. I am only comfortable reading. It might be different for everyone, but French is a difficult language for me.
Which is the point for people who consider taking a French test: it's a difficult language. A 50 point reward might be a good motivation (it was for me! We jumped from 418 to 483 points). But reaching B2 is not easy, especially if you are not good in languages. Or if you simply find French difficult.
The point is: B2 is not fluency, but it IS a huge achievement that is not easy for many people. It's not a joke. It is not something you can achieve in a month or two. If you push hard, I'd say a month or two can get you to A1-A2 level, but that doesn't bring points. 3-4 months of hard work might get you to B1. That's the level where you get 4 points maximum. Everyone should see if it's useful for them, but it's not something you can do casually.
So no, B2 is not being fluent but you have to study a lot and it's not easy. Even B1 requires an effort, and to be honest, too much of an effort for only 4 points.
True, I might just be one of the people who find French extra hard. Maybe it is easier for someone else. But not something one can do casually, imo.
It's about increasing options in life because you never know what the future holds. It's a fact that a Canadian passport gives you more options in life, even if you want to live in India. I'd rather my kids go to IITs if they can't qualify for UWaterloo or Toronto. McGill might be higher in the rankings but look at the actualy post-graduation salary data. Only Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, UWaterloo, and UofT is better. Nothing else beats the network of IITs. As far as giving kids freedom, to an extent sure but being too laissez-faire is a white-anglo thing.
What? Immigration only makes sense for economic reasons. Nothing else. How many Norwegians, Swiss, or Danes do you see rushing to come to Canada?
You must be a citizen of a country with a decent passport to say that.
Canada has more free trade aggreements than India and unlike India's FTAs, Canada's FTAs all include special work permits. CETA is one example. Even without the FTAs, if there's no difference then how come, on this very forum, there's a huge difference in accceptance/rejection rates based on citizenship for study permits? Or family reunification? When was the last time you heard of a EU wife of a Canadian citizen being rejected for spousal sponsorship?
DASA has been a thing since early 2000s:
https://dasanit.org/dasa2022/
IIT Bombay international students page:
https://www.iitb.ac.in/en/education/international-applicants
IIM Ahmedabad international students page (don't even have to give CAT like Indian students, only GMAT like every other business school - if you're OCI):
https://www.iima.ac.in/web/pgp-fabm/apply/overseas-candidates
For DASA, you need to give JEE but the cut-offs are less than SC/ST quota. You basically need to be alive and you'll qualify. Not sure if you're Indian but if are you'll understand what I just said.
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I meant economic immigration from the country's perspective. Mass immigration will not solve Canada's economic issues, and I'm fairly certain the Canadian economy will collapse in a few decades. Immigration won't do a damn thing to solve it.
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This is true. It is absolutely not worth it if the goal is 4 points. But if you push a bit further and get to B2, then the > 62 points is more than worth it.
I stand corrected on NITs and IIMs, but AFAIK, the foreign students still have to compete with Indian students in IITs for seats.