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I would argue that it could be, given it's a core profession for a digital economy. I've had employers in Ontario and Quebec contact me because they're that desperate to find skilled staff. Here in Saskatchewan we've also been importing NOC 1123 from overseas via provincial nominations, so there is a need.I can tell you right away your 1123 NOC is not going to be on their list. I hope you feel equally as excited about the upcoming changes
anyone can work as a warehouse worker
where are they going to get people who have some actual hard to obtain skills is a real question
I'm not emotional over the changes, though I would be if Express Entry was my only hope. I've already been nominated by SINP and submitted my PNP PR application, and my Canadian girlfriend is prepared to sponsor me as a last resort, so I couldn't quite care less about EE draws but if I somehow get invited via a CEC NOC 1123 draw then I'll take it.
And I'm not sure if you quite understand the point I was making about warehouse workers. Yes, anyone get become a warehouse worker, but the fact we have people with 490 NOC scores and Master's degrees come to Canada and work in menial jobs because of their inability to adapt to the labour market despite high human capital shows that the immigration system has flaws in attracting the right people.
Trackers ? What do u mean my that ?healthcare, agriculture, maybe some trackers
maybe IT
definitely not smm lol
mayb It-Shouldn’t it be like More IT considering the tech push they are having
You'd think it would be IT, but who knows. IRCC will have the final say, and its Statistics Canada and Employment & Social Development Canada who will advise the IRCC on where the skills gaps are. I've spoken about this many times in this thread, so feel free to go back a few pages.Trackers ? What do u mean my that ?
mayb It-Shouldn’t it be like More IT considering the tech push they are having
No I didn’t say it would be it I just responded to the previous thread why it said - mayb IT so I was more why mayb ITYou'd think it would be IT, but who knows. IRCC will have the final say, and its Statistics Canada and Employment & Social Development Canada who will advise the IRCC on where the skills gaps are. I've spoken about this many times in this thread, so feel free to go back a few pages.
I dread if it’s IT lol
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That's one of the reasons why I don't get why CEC should be NOC-based. Those people proved that they can find skilled work in Canada, and many are working in skilled occupations when they apply, and might continue to work after they get PR. So I don't get why those people would be excluded, because it would mean them having to quit their jobs and leave Canada. Only to invite people from abroad who don't fit those occupations? It is not logical.Yes, anyone get become a warehouse worker, but the fact we have people with 490 NOC scores and Master's degrees come to Canada and work in menial jobs because of their inability to adapt to the labour market despite high human capital shows that the immigration system has flaws in attracting the right people.
Before EE, when there was NOC based system, it was mainly for people abroad. CEC people were not subjected to NOC - precisely because they have proved to be able to find a skilled job.
Technically this isn't accurate. There were several years where the CEC program considered NOCs and where certain skilled NOCs were excluded from the program.Before EE, when there was NOC based system, it was mainly for people abroad. CEC people were not subjected to NOC - precisely because they have proved to be able to find a skilled job.
Yes, fair enough, but most were eligible. There is a huge difference between "most eligible, and a limited list of ineligible" vs "most are ineligible*, with only a handfull that are eligible".Technically this isn't accurate. There were several years where the CEC program considered NOCs and where certain skilled NOCs were excluded from the program.
* Or practically ineligible, because I think they will keep basic eligibility the same, but it won't matter much is some NOCs are never selected.
Yes, agreed with that generally. Having said that, the excluded NOCs were one that were quite popular with PGWP holders so many felt the exclusion list had a big impact on CEC applicants (although the list of excluded NOCs was small). As with most other things IRCC communicates, the exclusion list rule came out of the blue and messed up plans for lots of people.Yes, fair enough, but most were eligible. There is a huge difference between "most eligible, and a limited list of ineligible" vs "most are ineligible*, with only a handfull that are eligible".
* Or practically ineligible, because I think they will keep basic eligibility the same, but it won't matter much is some NOCs are never selected.
Yes, agreed with that generally. Having said that, the excluded NOCs were one that were quite popular with PGWP holders so many felt the exclusion list had a big impact on CEC applicants (although the list of excluded NOCs was small). As with most other things IRCC communicates, the exclusion list rule came out of the blue and messed up plans for lots of people.
Yes, this is a big problem, and it's a bit of a tradition for IRCC. Not that candidates fail to understand that there will always be excluded people or that you can't satisfy everyone. We get that. It's that changes come out of nowhere, so people don't have time to prepare or do anything about it. Candidates prepare for this for years; we study, work, learn languages, etc. All according to the rules. Only rules to change out of nowhere and people don't have time to prepare.
And yes, I know that IRCC has a right to do whatever they want, but this lack of transparency is frustrating.
I'm not sure if you're reading what I'm actually posting!!That's one of the reasons why I don't get why CEC should be NOC-based. Those people proved that they can find skilled work in Canada, and many are working in skilled occupations when they apply, and might continue to work after they get PR. So I don't get why those people would be excluded, because it would mean them having to quit their jobs and leave Canada. Only to invite people from abroad who don't fit those occupations? It is not logical.
Before EE, when there was NOC based system, it was mainly for people abroad. CEC people were not subjected to NOC - precisely because they have proved to be able to find a skilled job.
There are plenty of skilled people WHO DON'T FIND SKILLED JOBS IN CANADA. Don't get me wrong, they still become valuable immigrants as they're doing some work, but not the work that they based their application on. There are plenty of doctors, IT specialists and engineers driving taxis for a living and hustling - and that's all they do. Particularly when it comes to FSW, the system fails to assess any type of adaptability, resilience or grit of applicants in finding the jobs in Canada they worked in back in the country they left.
But they are not Canadian educated? CEC are mostly Canadian graduates .I'm not sure if you're reading what I'm actually posting!!
There are plenty of skilled people WHO DON'T FIND SKILLED JOBS IN CANADA. Don't get me wrong, they still become valuable immigrants as they're doing some work, but not the work that they based their application on. There are plenty of doctors, IT specialists and engineers driving taxis for a living and hustling - and that's all they do. Particularly when it comes to FSW, the system fails to assess any type of adaptability, resilience or grit of applicants in finding the jobs in Canada they worked in back in the country they left.
CEC graduates aren't necessarily Canadian educated. Many are not. This is also a common immigration stream for those here on various closed work permits.But they are not Canadian educated? CEC are mostly Canadian graduates .
The CEC program has no Canadian education requirement. It's for people who have at least one year of skilled work experience in Canada.
I'm not sure if I understand your logic. Are you saying that if you're not Canadian educated, that's an excuse to not get a skilled job in Canada?But they are not Canadian educated? CEC are mostly Canadian graduates .
Gee, I wonder how and thousands of other CEC-eligible applicants found good jobs in Canada.....