why are people from outside canada favored by CIC than PGWP holders?

[mead]

@pziegler1986
i agree some of ur points but disagree some. there is no incentive for companies to hire foreign workers/open work permit holders. the fact that we got a job(we on open work permit) proves that there r no canadians who could do or are qualified for the job we got. Hence my argument that we will be competing with people from outside canada. now if they wont hire us(as no PR) and they wont hire people from out side canada and no canadians want that job companies will go without that position being filled and suffer in long run. Companies in an exaggerated example will close down shop.

 

[mf4361]

@mead you have made a good point.

International graduates out of schools are put in the position the same as Canadian graduates. If a PGWP gets a job over Canadian candidates, this means the companies can't find any Canadian that fits more on the job than a foreigner.

In the past, there were businesses exploiting foreign workers (especially low skill jobs) over locals for lower pays and treat them unethically. There were Canada-based hiring companies specializes in hiring foreign workers for Canadian businesses. LMIA was designed to prevents businesses from that. Many higher skilled/technical jobs are not applicable to that.

At least for graduates, most of them hunt for jobs like other Canadians, get through the same hiring procedure as Canadians, get paid relatively similar to Canadians. I've never heard of companies specializes in helping PGWP to find a job.
Similar struggle in ICT/NAFTA people.

 

[mead]

@ mead you have made a good point.

International graduates out of schools are put in the position the same as Canadian graduates. If a PGWP gets a job over Canadian candidates, this means the companies can't find any Canadian that fits more on the job than a foreigner.

In the past, there were businesses exploiting foreign workers (especially low skill jobs) over locals for lower pays and treat them unethically. There were Canada-based hiring companies specializes in hiring foreign workers for Canadian businesses. LMIA was designed to prevents businesses from that. Many higher skilled/technical jobs are not applicable to that.

At least for graduates, most of them hunt for jobs like other Canadians, get through the same hiring procedure as Canadians, get paid relatively similar to Canadians. I've never heard of companies specializes in helping PGWP to find a job.
Similar struggle in ICT/NAFTA people.

low skill jobs/manual labor jobs will always have that problem as companies/people would fill them with illegals etc. Thats is an issue but a separate issue

 

[Conor9900]

This country is massive with rich natural resources and a small population relative to its landmass. There are loads of jobs out here in almost every field and they could easily accommodate all of the students that studied in Canada, as well as the small number of immigrants who are able to secure an LMIA/PNP. The purpose of the new system seems to be combination of clearing a large backlog of PR applicants (which is the fault of CIC) and for electioneering purposes. Neither is a good reason to restrict the number of immigrants and it is disappointing

 

[mf4361]

low skill jobs/manual labor jobs will always have that problem as companies/people would fill them with illegals etc. Thats is an issue but a separate issue

The problem is they are imposing the solution of a different issue onto a group that never had that issue.

 

[buckobob]

Correct. Every PGWP holder have to compete with others in normal interview process and the best is chosen. LMIA is too onerous for HR to obtain,
particularly for organizations with large number of employees. If the position remains unfilled for long time, for eg in IT consulting industry, it will be moved out of Canada.

Its bad for everybody, the employee, the employer and the economy. No body stands to gain by shutting off PGWP workers. They are an asset to the economy, paid tuition, living expenses as student and now tax payer...on an average 15-20 K as tax per year.

 

[aaro27]

I completely disagree. It seems that PGWP holders can fall into both FSW and CEC categories and there are different quotas for both. That increases their chances of being selected because they fall into two streams rather than one.

That said, PR is not a right, it's a privilege. How is CIC favoring people outside Canada?! They've leveled the playing field. The tuition fees are for the studies you completed, not for automatic PR or an automatic 600 extra points so you can be almost assured of getting ITA.

Canada does not owe me PR because I have a fairly high FSW EE score (465) just as it doesn't owe PGWP holders anything because they have Canadian education.

In fact, Canada is quite generous to offer such a work permit in the first place. I don't know that there are many other developed countries that do that. \

But maybe I'd feel differently if I were in the PGWP holders' situation.

that was quite harsh fro you to quote that... to my understanding it looks like you do neither have Canadian education nor the PGWP that follows...

you have to live our life and walk a mile before making such harsh comments... we don't ask for PR because we have studied here... we have been through a lot of process... we are paying taxes and working hard... it is hard to look for a job too,. and we have it and so we say, we deserve it

 

[aaro27]

PGWP being LMIA exempt should have been kept out of the ambit of LMIA requirement for valid job. PGWP holders who are making more than the median income based on location and NOC should have been awarded points for arranged employment. Its just not fair by giving them first LMIA exempt work permit and then indirectly asking them to get it.

I completely agree...!!! when we got our PGWP and job, there was no such requirement of getting LMIA... we work for a year and when we are eligible to file for PR, is exactly when they change all the rules..

 

[aaro27]

this argument is flawed. It assumes all people who get LMIA jobs have better things to offer to canadian community and thats what they want for it to work on paper, it also makes sense on paper. But people who fake experience for getting jobs or just plain incompetent people may get preference. Example a person outside canada fakes experience gets a job with LMIA gets PR and is utterly useless in canada and a burden. There should be a one to two year period of probation where people from outside canada need to keep the job they got before their PR gets finalized. Some people who are from developed countries wont understand this as we do from third world countries. Experience and education is faked easily. people who r working on LMIA exempt work permit have been in canada for 1 or more years and proved their worth some also have canadian education. Thats why putting everyone in one pool is not logical and not better for canadian people. This express entry system is a vote getting system to promote to canadian citizen that they r restricting foreign workers/PR and only allowing required talent. Canadian people wont be able to see the flaws in the system. if they wanted to really restrict PR for any tom dick or harry they should have restricted student visa, restricted number of open work permits they issue. but they wont restrict student visa as students bring in lots of money.

+1

 

[Omosexy]

To all PGWP people --I beg make me hear word. wetin be your problem sef?

 

[GARJ]

Nobody is being favored by CIC. PGWP holders aren't automatically entitled to PR status, never have and never will. I am PGWP holder and I am eligible to apply under both CEC and FSW program because I have years of skilled work experience, not because I graduated from a Canadian institution. For PGWP holders like myself, CIC gave us a huge favor for immigration, worth more than the 600 points given by a LMIA or PN combined, it's called the Canadian Experience Class Do you realize that all those people outside of Canada who you say are being favored by CIC are not, and probalby never will be, eligible under CEC? There's a lot of panic going around PGWP holders, I've said it so many times before: You need to calm down and get the facts straight. Go on CIC's official site, read EVERYTHING.

 

[BankingExpressE]

Nobody is being favored by CIC. PGWP holders aren't automatically entitled to PR status, never have and never will. I am PGWP holder and I am eligible to apply under both CEC and FSW program because I have years of skilled work experience, not because I graduated from a Canadian institution. For PGWP holders like myself, CIC gave us a huge favor for immigration, worth more than the 600 points given by a LMIA or PN combined, it's called the Canadian Experience Class Do you realize that all those people outside of Canada who you say are being favored by CIC are not, and probalby never will be, eligible under CEC? There's a lot of panic going around PGWP holders, I've said it so many times before: You need to calm down and get the facts straight. Go on CIC's official site, read EVERYTHING.

If someone with 600 LMIA/PNP points wants to trade for my CEC eligibility, please message me...

 

[GARJ]

If someone with 600 LMIA/PNP points wants to trade for my CEC eligibility, please message me...

You can get LMIA or PNP to support a CEC application in the EE pool... CEC and LMIA/PNP are not mutually exclusive, so no need to trade anything

 

[BankingExpressE]

You can get LMIA or PNP to support a CEC application in the EE pool... CEC and LMIA/PNP are not mutually exclusive, so no need to trade anything

I know. Was just being sarcastic given how being eligible for CEC as a PGWP holder means absolutely nothing when compared to a LMIA/PNP holder.

 

[AshesNdust]

NAFTA and IT people never paid 40K a year as tuition and expense as PGWP did!

First, you paid tution and received degree. So, Canada owes you nothing. Second, there are a ton of NAFTA people who pay $40k in taxes plus anything they spend.
Money does not buy you PR or citizenship and you should not expect to do so.