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Who has ever attended a Hearing with a Citizenship Judge? How was it?

walitys

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Dear all,

Some people at this forum talk about the Hearing as something very scary.
What was your experience?
Was it bad?
Did you think, the Judge may refuse your application?
Did you know, why you were called upon and were you worried?

A big request, if I may: someone who did NOT ever attend a hearing -
please do NOT respond to this question.
The question is about REAL experiences people had.
Thank you.
 

eileenf

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links18

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I skimmed through the links Eileen provided. There is mention in there by one person that the CJ said in the hearing: "I don't think people who stay outside of Canada deserve citizenship." Its pretty scary that the judge would say something like that in a hearing. It suggests a personal bias and just seems like an inappropriate comment as it has little to do with the law.

But, I think it is a good example as to what could happen at a hearing. Not all CJs are equally well versed in the law. How are you going to respond to an off the wall comment like that? If you have a competent lawyer with you, they can explain that regardless of the judge's personal feelings, the application needs to be judged on its merits. Either that or petition to have the case transferred to another judge.

That is indeed some scary stuff.....
 

shaikat

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I couldn't resist but had to pitch in....sorry for the off topic....I am sure by "the law" whoever resides here for 3 years after PR gets the citizenship .....but think for a second here- the people who leaves after getting the Canadian citizenship really do deserve it? Primary goal should be living here not for the passport and go somewhere else. We are the people who will seal the faith of this Canadian Passport for not making it worthless or less valuable. Hence they are coming up with new law in the near future....
 

links18

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shaikat said:
I couldn't resist but had to pitch in....sorry for the off topic....I am sure by "the law" whoever resides here for 3 years after PR gets the citizenship .....but think for a second here- the people who leaves after getting the Canadian citizenship really do deserve it? Primary goal should be living here not for the passport and go somewhere else. We are the people who will seal the faith of this Canadian Passport for not making it worthless or less valuable. Hence they are coming up with new law in the near future....
You are entitled to your opinion about this, as is the CJ, but to make an open statement like that in the middle of a hearing with an applicant is unprofessional, intimidating and inexcusably poor judgement.
 

shaikat

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I agree with you on this one......cj cannot pass personal opinions to the clients....rather make judgment based on the facts and the law outlined.

alright....lets not hijack this thread...back to the topic.


links18 said:
You are entitled to your opinion about this, as is the CJ, but to make an open statement like that in the middle of a hearing with an applicant is unprofessional, intimidating and inexcusably poor judgement.
 

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shaikat said:
I couldn't resist but had to pitch in....sorry for the off topic....I am sure by "the law" whoever resides here for 3 years after PR gets the citizenship .....but think for a second here- the people who leaves after getting the Canadian citizenship really do deserve it? Primary goal should be living here not for the passport and go somewhere else. We are the people who will seal the faith of this Canadian Passport for not making it worthless or less valuable. Hence they are coming up with new law in the near future....
I am terribly sorry for playing a part in hijacking this thread, but in all fairness this info is closely related to CJ hearing and Walitys, the OP, might even find it helpful. As far as I see, most often than not, these so called CJs are not really professionals who followed a legal career path to become a "Judge" in the real sense. Many of them are just exemplaries or even at the capacity of Notary Public or so and somehow through a process that is not so transparent (why are we even surprised?) have been appointed as Judges who are given the authority to decide on cases merely on 6 months or so training and a bunch of rule guidelines. Why would anyone be surprised if a CJ opens up with their personal inclinations let alone they use their perception influence a judgement. A Judge through a disciplined career path would have stifled attitude towards his emotions and discerning mindset on what the case is and what his personal opinions are! But that's just me.
Nextly, to the poster I quoted above who is concerned about Canadians, new or otherwise, not having continuous presences in Canada could genuinely be the reason behind Conservatives tightening the citizenship reins, it is an established fact that immigrants tend to vote liberals overwhelmingly than to any other party. This tough-stance strategy is therefore, in my opinion, a form of gerrymandering. Otherwise why would you think an applicant from Ontario gets his citizenship in within a year while someone from Quebec, the prairies, in particular, and further west should consider themselves lucky if they get their citizenship in a little over twice as much as this time. Ontario is a sailed ship, it could go all for liberals or the new immigrants might vote for conservatives due to the nice gesture the conservative government has showered upon them. But the prairies are conservatives' strong hold and they want to preserve that pedigree, and so is BC.
 

links18

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CanuckForEver said:
I am terribly sorry for playing a part in hijacking this thread, but in all fairness this info is closely related to CJ hearing and Walitys, the OP, might even find it helpful. As far as I see, most often than not, these so called CJs are not really professionals who followed a legal career path to become a "Judge" in the real sense. Many of them are just exemplaries or even at the capacity of Notary Public or so and somehow through a process that is not so transparent (why are we even surprised?) have been appointed as Judges who are given the authority to decide on cases merely on 6 months or so training and a bunch of rule guidelines. Why would anyone be surprised if a CJ opens up with their personal inclinations let alone they use their perception influence a judgement. A Judge through a disciplined career path would have stifled attitude towards his emotions and discerning mindset on what the case is and what his personal opinions are! But that's just me.
Yes, this is true. It seems many CJs are not trained legal professionals, but political appointments of one kind or another. All the more reason, not to screw around, if you have to go before one.
 

walitys

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eileenf said:
Hi Walitys, Unfortunately it seems like few members hang around the forums after the approval or denial of their applications, but I did see recent posts from smzsul and jojo2013 who are both waiting for decisions after hearings with Citizenship Judges:
https://secure.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=95&KW=&PID=215202&title=timeline-montreal-office#215202
https://secure.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=95&KW=&PID=215388&title=timeline-montreal-office#215388
Thank you, Eileenf, for staying sharp on topic, as usual. Your help is deeply appreciated.
 

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There's another guy with judge experience from that forum: https://secure.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=95&KW=&PID=214860&title=timeline-montreal-office#214860

CJ experience reports are scarce on these forums.
 

walitys

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May 19, 2013
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That's really interesting: almost Noone can share a real experience of a hearing with a citizenship judge!
Hmm. :(
 

walitys

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walitys said:
That's really interesting: almost Noone can share a real experience of a hearing with a citizenship judge!
Hmm. :(
Hi all,

big thanks to all, who sent me supportive comments and personal messages!

My Hearing has been exhausting. If you are interesting I will report about it in this thread:
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/after-36-months-i-go-for-mandamus-who-else-here-has-hired-a-lawyer-t182495.75.html