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When is the start of our conjugal relationship??

Rob_TO

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megamind_moon said:
Its hard for her to travel to other countries wzout her parents consent! Her parents monitor her passport...u dnt get how strict they r!
Parent's consent is probably not an acceptable excuse.

Even if they submit a conjugal PR app, what will happen when CIC asks for the passport to be sent? At some point the parents will know about the relationship, and that she's trying to move permanently to Canada to live with her partner.
 

megamind_moon

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Rob_TO said:
Parent's consent is probably not an acceptable excuse.

Even if they submit a conjugal PR app, what will happen when CIC asks for the passport to be sent? At some point the parents will know about the relationship, and that she's trying to move permanently to Canada to live with her partner.
She already lives in canada with a PR..her parents are n lebanon...she lives alone n canada..and she doesnt want to sponsor her parents..cz if they they found out about her she's dead or forced to opp sex marriage...
And in lebanon, i dnt even want ro imagine what will happen wz me
 

Bcboundboy

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megamind_moon said:
Its hard for her to travel to other countries wzout her parents consent! Her parents monitor her passport...u dnt get how strict they r!
megamind_moon said:
She already lives in canada with a PR..her parents are n lebanon...she lives alone n canada..and she doesnt want to sponsor her parents..cz if they they found out about her she's dead or forced to opp sex marriage...
And in lebanon, i dnt even want ro imagine what will happen wz me
These cannot both be true. Either she's half a world away from her parents living independently, or she isn't (and if she is, they can't monitor her physical passport). The most they can do is see things like where her facebook posts are geotagged, and express their unhappiness to her.

The question for you is can you go to Canada, or can you both go to a country which has same sex marriage? (eg Spain, Brazil). If so, you must do so. If not, you must try to do so as part of a conjugal application (to prove that you cannot go through with it).
 

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megamind_moon said:
She already lives in canada with a PR..her parents are n lebanon...she lives alone n canada..and she doesnt want to sponsor her parents..cz if they they found out about her she's dead or forced to opp sex marriage...
And in lebanon, i dnt even want ro imagine what will happen wz me
If she's letting her parents control her that much, how is she going to sponsor you?

Maybe you can try a "sob story" TRV, where you describe the situation and how you want to get married for PR but are running into all these problems. Applying for another TRV won't hurt your case, it will actually help it if it is denied again. I would not mention the "parental passport" monitoring though, I don't think they are going to find that a reasonable excuse.

I wonder how the conjugal app turned out for the OP of this post, since it was 7 years ago since they last posted here.
 

megamind_moon

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Bcboundboy said:
These cannot both be true. Either she's half a world away from her parents living independently, or she isn't (and if she is, they can't monitor her physical passport). The most they can do is see things like where her facebook posts are geotagged, and express their unhappiness to her.

The question for you is can you go to Canada, or can you both go to a country which has same sex marriage? (eg Spain, Brazil). If so, you must do so. If not, you must try to do so as part of a conjugal application (to prove that you cannot go through with it).
I think i ddnt make it clear...
She lives independently in canada... Everytime she comes yo lebanon for a visit they look through her passport to check any visa or unknown visits...
I tried going to canada twice but got rejected... She is somehos commited to her work...and the leave she takes i limited which is usually taken whn she comes to lebanon
...your looking at small details...but u dont understand the conflicts we faced
 

megamind_moon

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Aquakitty said:
If she's letting her parents control her that much, how is she going to sponsor you?

Maybe you can try a "sob story" TRV, where you describe the situation and how you want to get married for PR but are running into all these problems. Applying for another TRV won't hurt your case, it will actually help it if it is denied again. I would not mention the "parental passport" monitoring though, I don't think they are going to find that a reasonable excuse.

I wonder how the conjugal app turned out for the OP of this post, since it was 7 years ago since they last posted here.
Whats a sob story?? U dnt mean to make the VO pity us!!
I dnt knw either how she wil sponsor me..aince her lawyer is a family friend... Everytime i find a way out i reach a dead end
If i applied for TRV AGAIN...can she provide me with her financial bank statement cz i dnt have a bank acc?
 

Bcboundboy

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megamind_moon said:
I think i ddnt make it clear...
She lives independently in canada... Everytime she comes yo lebanon for a visit they look through her passport to check any visa or unknown visits...
I tried going to canada twice but got rejected... She is somehos commited to her work...and the leave she takes i limited which is usually taken whn she comes to lebanon
...your looking at small details...but u dont understand the conflicts we faced
I'm not 'looking at small details', you have gaping holes in your story. In order to consider a conjugal application, you need to look at travelling together to a country where you can get married. Complaining that on returns home (that she doesn't need to make), her family examine her documents (which she doesn't need to let them), and objecting to them (which she doesn't have to heed) is not going to get you anywhere.

I understand that you might think she has to visit her family, and cultural norms there allow for more control over her than the west. But you're trying to persuade a visa officer that you are important to each other. As it stands, you look far less important to her than the rest of her family - despite the fact that you need to establish a marriage-like relationship between you in order to get a conjugal sponsorship.

If you cannot travel to another country - and you must try, and get proof of it - then there will be no stamp for them to complain about. If you can and there is, then you will be a married couple, and you should matter enough to her that she will not throw you aside to please her family.
 

megamind_moon

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Bcboundboy said:
I'm not 'looking at small details', you have gaping holes in your story. In order to consider a conjugal application, you need to look at travelling together to a country where you can get married. Complaining that on returns home (that she doesn't need to make), her family examine her documents (which she doesn't need to let them), and objecting to them (which she doesn't have to heed) is not going to get you anywhere.

I understand that you might think she has to visit her family, and cultural norms there allow for more control over her than the west. But you're trying to persuade a visa officer that you are important to each other. As it stands, you look far less important to her than the rest of her family - despite the fact that you need to establish a marriage-like relationship between you in order to get a conjugal sponsorship.

If you cannot travel to another country - and you must try, and get proof of it - then there will be no stamp for them to complain about. If you can and there is, then you will be a married couple, and you should matter enough to her that she will not throw you aside to please her family.
Mmm.. Fair enough
 

Rob_TO

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megamind_moon said:
I think i ddnt make it clear...
She lives independently in canada... Everytime she comes yo lebanon for a visit they look through her passport to check any visa or unknown visits...
I tried going to canada twice but got rejected... She is somehos commited to her work...and the leave she takes i limited which is usually taken whn she comes to lebanon
...your looking at small details...but u dont understand the conflicts we faced
Even if the conjugal app was successful, I assume you would get married in Canada shortly after arriving as a PR. So how long would she intend to keep her relationship and eventual marriage to you a secret from her family? Forever? It sounds like she is just delaying the inevitable.

You should really investigate a 3rd country to possibly get married in. Not sure what the closest countries are to Lebanon that allow same-sex marriage (maybe S.Africa or Spain?) that you could try. If this is absolutely not possible, only then should you continue with the conjugal app as a last resort.
 

megamind_moon

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Rob_TO said:
Even if the conjugal app was successful, I assume you would get married in Canada shortly after arriving as a PR. So how long would she intend to keep her relationship and eventual marriage to you a secret from her family? Forever? It sounds like she is just delaying the inevitable.

You should really investigate a 3rd country to possibly get married in. Not sure what the closest countries are to Lebanon that allow same-sex marriage (maybe S.Africa or Spain?) that you could try. If this is absolutely not possible, only then should you continue with the conjugal app as a last resort.
Delaying the inevitable mmmm ill discuss it with her..
But. Do u thnk a TRV would b accepted if she provided. Her bank statement ?not mine?
 

Rob_TO

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megamind_moon said:
Delaying the inevitable mmmm ill discuss it with her..
But. Do u thnk a TRV would b accepted if she provided. Her bank statement ?not mine?
You said you got rejected twice in the past for TRV. What were the reasons given for rejection?

Just showing she has funds to support you on your trip may not be enough, as the reason for rejection may have been a risk to overstay here. In addition to showing funds you should also show better ties to home country (i.e. enrollment in school, a full time job, family commitment, etc) or any history of international travel to other countries, to convince them you would return after TRV expires.
 

megamind_moon

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Rob_TO said:
You said you got rejected twice in the past for TRV. What were the reasons given for rejection?

Just showing she has funds to support you on your trip may not be enough, as the reason for rejection may have been a risk to overstay here. In addition to showing funds you should also show better ties to home country (i.e. enrollment in school, a full time job, family commitment, etc) or any history of international travel to other countries, to convince them you would return after TRV expires.
They said i dn enough money..although i. Showed a bank statement back then
And lack of travel history..
The 2nd timd i applied they rejected bcz i ddnt provide my host finanil papers! Although n both cases i gave a copynof a ticket
 

Rob_TO

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megamind_moon said:
They said i dn enough money..although i. Showed a bank statement back then
And lack of travel history..
The 2nd timd i applied they rejected bcz i ddnt provide my host finanil papers! Although n both cases i gave a copynof a ticket
You can definitely apply again then, and this time include your partner's financial info as well.