what is it all about H1B etc???

[AlbertaCitizen]

Majority of the requirements are not these BIG ?? thats why the quota was made 65000 or wanted to make it more ...

Even small talents like running SQL Queries, PL/SQL programming, SAP management are not available so very common in America due to the amount of companies present here (in this land of opportunities) ..

Let me ask you this Sir -

How many Americans due you think have a simple Graduate Degree ??

How many Americans are of Tuft, Stanford, Harvard ???

How many young American working force are there to support these kind of small activities (like running queries) ?? If you would have ever worked in a Bank or Major corporations (Financial, Energy, Oil, etc..) you would understand it better ??

Many have had lot of good times, vacation time, no working over the weekend stuff etc... (YOU CAN GET HARD WORK ONLY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO SUCCEED JUST LIKE FROM THE THIRD WORLD)

Most are still on the Enjoying Mode and / or Aged .. thats why they need !

How many H1B are real specialist in any ERP, System or Software?
How many H1B have patents pending before governement which could establish thier distinguished ability?
How many H1B's have Phd or equivelent degrees in STEM subjects?
This is not a USCIS query language BUT these are basic common sense questions. The requirement of H1B was kept only a Bachelor Degree because it was assumed that a Distinguished Ability person might not have Masters or Phd degrees BUT that doesn't mean that every Bachelor Degree holder is a person of distinguished ability because he knows how to install Windows XP and how to type on MS Word!!

Sir;

This is the whole game. America have more than enough bachelor Degree holders needed to fill the needs. They can speak better english and have better corporate ethics BUT the issue is certain specific tools which are not part of thier curriculum.

The prestige of University is not a issue here so it doesn't matter that somebody from Columbia or yale. They are not provided the right small training so they can prove themself.

Every H1B Worker gets traning and that's where he become a person who will not only sound like an IT professional but also be able to work. This is not available to americans. Who had the access to these type of traning they become very sucessful and better than Indian IT Worker.

Let me ask:

If you are a Bachelor of Commerce Degree holder, Just know basic computer, installation, Googling and MS Office. I am providing you 100 hour traning fro USE CASE, UML, Agile, COTS, ERP's, RUP, SDLC, SQL, ORACLE, testing and after completing this traning wouldn't you become an Systems Analyst?

Will above traning isn't the real componnent which is missing in an american graduate?

Is there any corelation between training and Bachelor Degree?

In terms of bank and financial organization, My son- what organization you are talking about??? From back offices of Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Citizens Bank, Capital One, Goldman sachs to supporting trading activities, Middle Office, equities cash flow, derivatives till Project management. My Grand son- you are talking to a PMP certified, Phd persuing consultant who rejected Advisory job offers from McKinsey and Booz Allen Hamilton. Years of experience are very cheap feathers in somebody's profile. Doesn't matter if somebody claims himself 20 years experienced if he doesn't have proper certification and degree he worst than a someone having 10 years of experience with proper certification and Degree.

 

[at-80]

Please Note: This is a Canada immigration forum. Request all to please maintain the relevance of this forum. Thankyou.

 

[rezendgi]

Governer Sir,

You reply sounds like .. provide training to Mechanics (there are also Graduates) or to a worker working at McDonalds (like area managers with commerce degree), I knew a person from CA who had a graduate degree (more than 50 yrs old) working as a Manager at a Pizza store etc.. with SDLC, RUP, ORACLE, testing etc.. and make him a systems analyst .. because he knows English .. that will be RIDICULOUS !! and very less Efficient !

Note, not all of them out of jobs are of IT industry.. they are people of Automobile Industries (Like from GM, Chevy, etc.), Financial Analysts, Manufacturing companies, Blue collar jobs and so on ..

Targeting IT folks based on the above unemployment is the concern.. Don't understand your nature of target on H1...

I am not saying to increase H1s here ... I too have seen some real craps..

And also, I mentioned about the prestige of University, because you talked about Phd's, Patents that they were looking on an H1 (which is partly true) !

Well.. there is both good and bad things with respect to H1s .. It is bad and ugly to encourage any bigotry..

Sir;

This is the whole game. America have more than enough bachelor Degree holders needed to fill the needs. They can speak better english and have better corporate ethics BUT the issue is certain specific tools which are not part of thier curriculum.

The prestige of University is not a issue here so it doesn't matter that somebody from Columbia or yale. They are not provided the right small training so they can prove themself.

Every H1B Worker gets traning and that's where he become a person who will not only sound like an IT professional but also be able to work. This is not available to americans. Who had the access to these type of traning they become very sucessful and better than Indian IT Worker.

Let me ask:

If you are a Bachelor of Commerce Degree holder, Just know basic computer, installation, Googling and MS Office. I am providing you 100 hour traning fro USE CASE, UML, Agile, COTS, ERP's, RUP, SDLC, SQL, ORACLE, testing and after completing this traning wouldn't you become an Systems Analyst?

Will above traning isn't the real componnent which is missing in an american graduate?

Is there any corelation between training and Bachelor Degree?

 

[AlbertaCitizen]

Governer Sir,

You reply sounds like .. provide training to Mechanics (there are also Graduates) or to a worker working at McDonalds (like area managers with commerce degree), I knew a person from CA who had a graduate degree (more than 50 yrs old) working as a Manager at a Pizza store etc.. with SDLC, RUP, ORACLE, testing etc.. and make him a systems analyst .. because he knows English .. that will be RIDICULOUS !! and very less Efficient !

Note, not all of them out of jobs are of IT industry.. they are people of Automobile Industries (Like from GM, Chevy, etc.), Financial Analysts, Manufacturing companies, Blue collar jobs and so on ..

Targeting IT folks based on the above unemployment is the concern.. Don't understand your nature of target on H1...

I am not saying to increase H1s here ... I too have seen some real craps..

And also, I mentioned about the prestige of University, because you talked about Phd's, Patents that they were looking on an H1 (which is partly true) !

Well.. there is both good and bad things with respect to H1s .. It is bad and ugly to encourage any bigotry..

Sir;

This is the whole game. America have more than enough bachelor Degree holders needed to fill the needs. They can speak better english and have better corporate ethics BUT the issue is certain specific tools which are not part of thier curriculum.

The prestige of University is not a issue here so it doesn't matter that somebody from Columbia or yale. They are not provided the right small training so they can prove themself.

Every H1B Worker gets traning and that's where he become a person who will not only sound like an IT professional but also be able to work. This is not available to americans. Who had the access to these type of traning they become very sucessful and better than Indian IT Worker.

Let me ask:

If you are a Bachelor of Commerce Degree holder, Just know basic computer, installation, Googling and MS Office. I am providing you 100 hour traning fro USE CASE, UML, Agile, COTS, ERP's, RUP, SDLC, SQL, ORACLE, testing and after completing this traning wouldn't you become an Systems Analyst?

Will above traning isn't the real componnent which is missing in an american graduate?

Is there any corelation between training and Bachelor Degree?

I am not saying "ANY UNDERGRADUATE or GRADUATE" I refer to IT, Science, Maths and Engineering undergraduates who are American and are deprived of these jobs because nobody is available to train them. That's why pizza manager example is worthless.

The target on H1 is about understanding American's Point of view since the whole conversation started from the point where illegal Aliens have chances of getting Green card but not legal one.

 

[rezendgi]

I gave Pizza Manager example .. due to your question (see in your favorite red) .. About Bachelor of Commerce Degree..

Does .. IT, Science, Maths and Engineering .. anyway related to commerce ??

It will good not to contradict our own words ..

Let me ask:

If you are a Bachelor of Commerce Degree holder, Just know basic computer, installation, Googling and MS Office. I am providing you 100 hour traning fro USE CASE, UML, Agile, COTS, ERP's, RUP, SDLC, SQL, ORACLE, testing and after completing this traning wouldn't you become an Systems Analyst?

Will above traning isn't the real componnent which is missing in an american graduate?

Is there any corelation between training and Bachelor Degree?


I am not saying "ANY UNDERGRADUATE or GRADUATE" I refer to IT, Science, Maths and Engineering undergraduates who are American and are deprived of these jobs because nobody is available to train them. That's why pizza manager example is worthless.

The target on H1 is about understanding American's Point of view since the whole conversation started from the point where illegal Aliens have chances of getting Green card but not legal one.

 

[Tapak]

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

 

[rezendgi]

I completely agree with you Tapak

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

 

[AlbertaCitizen]

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

I
Tapak and others;

I will explain that why this is not going to happen:

"Americans are confirmed that Indian talent, enterpreneurship, Skills are exteremely powerful IF blended into the American or any developed nations' infrastructure. I have seen many American intellectuals saying that: South Asians, Indians are doing great as they are in United States because here they get needed motivation, infrastructure which is vital to succeed! Americans understands it very well. And that's why they don't think that if you go back and build India then It will be competitve. They know its not gonna happen. They know that Prof Hargovind Khurana was an Indian scientist and couldn't get even a job in Banaras Hindu University in India and United States awarded him Nobel prize. They know that Jessica Lal type journalist are killed in a burning clay oven. They also know that India also has highest number of Doctors and engineers who don't have the job. That's the biggest reason why they don't wanna give you Green card. They know that India doesn't have true Research and development (R&D) going on so they can consume all thier talent.

 

[Tapak]

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

I
Tapak and others;

I will explain that why this is not going to happen:

"Americans are confirmed that Indian talent, enterpreneurship, Skills are exteremely powerful IF blended into the American or any developed nations' infrastructure. I have seen many American intellectuals saying that: South Asians, Indians are doing great as they are in United States because here they get needed motivation, infrastructure which is vital to succeed! Americans understands it very well. And that's why they don't think that if you go back and build India then It will be competitve. They know its not gonna happen. They know that Prof Hargovind Khurana was an Indian scientist and couldn't get even a job in Banaras Hindu University in India and United States awarded him Nobel prize. They know that Jessica Lal type journalist are killed in a burning clay oven. They also know that India also has highest number of Doctors and engineers who don't have the job. That's the biggest reason why they don't wanna give you Green card. They know that India doesn't have true Research and development (R&D) going on so they can consume all thier talent.

You have shared partial truth regarding infrastructure. I believe all of us know (google is our best friend) that major IT corporations have opened new or moved centers to AsiaPac region. Also, I believe majority of H1B's aren't into R&D, most of them keep the Industry wheels operational and bring efficiency to process. Physicians and nursing people, on H1B, are giving health services to people since there aren't enough Americans in their fields. Do you think that they have stolen regular Americans job? The answer is plain "No".

Folks into R&D (Pharma and medical) will move to other developed, but immigrant friendly, countries if the necessary infrastructure isn't available in their home country. I am not saying all will move. There are some tied up with house mortgages, school going children, phobia to start a new life in new country, etc. who choose to stay and continue their GC journey.
All in all, protectionism doesn't help in long run.

Peace...

 

[AlbertaCitizen]

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

I
Tapak and others;

I will explain that why this is not going to happen:

"Americans are confirmed that Indian talent, enterpreneurship, Skills are exteremely powerful IF blended into the American or any developed nations' infrastructure. I have seen many American intellectuals saying that: South Asians, Indians are doing great as they are in United States because here they get needed motivation, infrastructure which is vital to succeed! Americans understands it very well. And that's why they don't think that if you go back and build India then It will be competitve. They know its not gonna happen. They know that Prof Hargovind Khurana was an Indian scientist and couldn't get even a job in Banaras Hindu University in India and United States awarded him Nobel prize. They know that Jessica Lal type journalist are killed in a burning clay oven. They also know that India also has highest number of Doctors and engineers who don't have the job. That's the biggest reason why they don't wanna give you Green card. They know that India doesn't have true Research and development (R&D) going on so they can consume all thier talent.

You have shared partial truth regarding infrastructure. I believe all of us know (google is our best friend) that major IT corporations have opened new or moved centers to AsiaPac region. Also, I believe majority of H1B's aren't into R&D, most of them keep the Industry wheels operational and bring efficiency to process. Physicians and nursing people, on H1B, are giving health services to people since there aren't enough Americans in their fields. Do you think that they have stolen regular Americans job? The answer is plain "No".

Folks into R&D (Pharma and medical) will move to other developed, but immigrant friendly, countries if the necessary infrastructure isn't available in their home country. I am not saying all will move. There are some tied up with house mortgages, school going children, phobia to start a new life in new country, etc. who choose to stay and continue their GC journey.
All in all, protectionism doesn't help in long run.

Peace...

Its not just about "Google" or high speed internet access, It is about everything. I don't know much as I never lived in India but from Newspapers and other sources, they don't even have that kind of Libraries which could provide highly expensive books, encyclopedias and other books which you can get from any public county's library in US. What is the value of Indian Phd Degree in India?
Does Indian Phd holder enjoy same prestige and money as they enjoy in US or other developed country? What I heared that Mafiaa and politicians enjoy more money and prestige than any professer. Then why somebody wil work for getting a Phd? or do some Research and development. Why it is that almost all top Indian Industrialists have at least one degree from US university?

 

[Tapak]

Its not just about "Google" or high speed internet access, It is about everything. I didn't mean availability of google or internet. I meant just google to see how many IT corporations have their R & D centers in AsiaPac region. I don't know much as I never lived in India but from Newspapers and other sources, they don't even have that kind of Libraries which could provide highly expensive books, encyclopedias and other books which you can get from any public county's library in US. What is the value of Indian Phd Degree in India? PhD's employed by Global corporations, who have opened their centers in India, are well paid in INR with excellent PPP. Universities are well equipped with decent libraries having very good collection of books. Yes, I agree that public libraries aren't as well equipped as those in USA but the University libraries definitely have books, what our students require to complete their education Students buying books from book stores is quite a norm. Traditionaly, most of the students are financially supported by their parents, so access to educational material is hardly any issue.
Does Indian Phd holder enjoy same prestige and money as they enjoy in US or other developed country? What I heared that Mafiaa and politicians enjoy more money and prestige than any professer. Then why somebody wil work for getting a Phd? or do some Research and development I don't know what is source of your information but certainly you need to change it. Education in India is more of a pride. Ask any Indian parents, they have a vision to make their kids successful as a Doctor, Engineer or anything that requires good education. Why it is that almost all top Indian Industrialists have at least one degree from US university? They certainly do to stay compete in global market.[/color]

As you said that you have never been to India, so apparently it seems that this discussion is solely based on your limited knowledge from news or friends. I was born, raised and educated in one of the Asian countries so I can speak to through my experience which is a fact and reality.
Peace..

 

[rezendgi]

You must be from Pakistan.. its ok.. we all know about countries in southern asia..

Well, yes .. most of our public libraries didn't have all the encyclopedia's - but this was in the 70's and 80's .. Now things have changed ..

Don't forget .. oldest and largest libraries originated and were in India even before the one in Baghdad (though it contained lot many Indian books thats how mathematics and geometry were spread all over the west through the turks) Nalanda, Vickramasila, Odantapuri, Jagadalala, Somapura Universities belonged to INDIA and change happens everywhere .. this is not something new and we will get back all these and add more..

But the topic was on H1, now, you are switching gears asking.. what is the value of Indian PhD.. ?

Lets time-out here .. ENOUGH !!

Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"

Your own inference "Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States." should be the strongest reason, than ever, to retain these bright people in USA. Your inference would be true and applicable for H1B applicants. For Chinese and Indians who are already here in USA, if not retained in USA, will return to their home country and use their talents and US experience to strengthen their own country, that is supposedly USA's competitor. If USA is afraid of talent from their competing countries, then they should discourage them at the entry level, which is H1B visa. In my opinion, creating unfavorable conditions for people who are already in USA on H1B visa, forces such talent with US experience (and some tricks of trade ) to return to their home country, which is more damaging to US since it strengthens their competitors at USA's loss.

I
Tapak and others;

I will explain that why this is not going to happen:

"Americans are confirmed that Indian talent, enterpreneurship, Skills are exteremely powerful IF blended into the American or any developed nations' infrastructure. I have seen many American intellectuals saying that: South Asians, Indians are doing great as they are in United States because here they get needed motivation, infrastructure which is vital to succeed! Americans understands it very well. And that's why they don't think that if you go back and build India then It will be competitve. They know its not gonna happen. They know that Prof Hargovind Khurana was an Indian scientist and couldn't get even a job in Banaras Hindu University in India and United States awarded him Nobel prize. They know that Jessica Lal type journalist are killed in a burning clay oven. They also know that India also has highest number of Doctors and engineers who don't have the job. That's the biggest reason why they don't wanna give you Green card. They know that India doesn't have true Research and development (R&D) going on so they can consume all thier talent.

You have shared partial truth regarding infrastructure. I believe all of us know (google is our best friend) that major IT corporations have opened new or moved centers to AsiaPac region. Also, I believe majority of H1B's aren't into R&D, most of them keep the Industry wheels operational and bring efficiency to process. Physicians and nursing people, on H1B, are giving health services to people since there aren't enough Americans in their fields. Do you think that they have stolen regular Americans job? The answer is plain "No".

Folks into R&D (Pharma and medical) will move to other developed, but immigrant friendly, countries if the necessary infrastructure isn't available in their home country. I am not saying all will move. There are some tied up with house mortgages, school going children, phobia to start a new life in new country, etc. who choose to stay and continue their GC journey.
All in all, protectionism doesn't help in long run.

Peace...

Its not just about "Google" or high speed internet access, It is about everything. I don't know much as I never lived in India but from Newspapers and other sources, they don't even have that kind of Libraries which could provide highly expensive books, encyclopedias and other books which you can get from any public county's library in US. What is the value of Indian Phd Degree in India?
Does Indian Phd holder enjoy same prestige and money as they enjoy in US or other developed country? What I heared that Mafiaa and politicians enjoy more money and prestige than any professer. Then why somebody wil work for getting a Phd? or do some Research and development. Why it is that almost all top Indian Industrialists have at least one degree from US university?

 

[nomad_musafir]

If we (AG/AC/AP) are going to keep switching topics, let me go ahead and congratulate your team in scraping through into the Super Eights. It must be a relief that they will never have to face Dhoni's squad this time

 

[ainpdude]

Hi all,
this might be a stupid question but please enlighten me:

what is this all about H1B? It seems to me that many people have to leave the US and move to Canada.
What is it? And what happened in the US (besides the big economical crisis) that now so many people are moving to Canada?
I understand that Alberta has a special PNP for H1B visa holder. But is that the only reason why there are so many threads on H1B holder?

Thanks!!!
Brigit

Let me give you a brief background about H1B visa and "flight" of H1B holders from USA to Canada
The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. Generally, people employed with H1B visa are highly skilled workers from different fields such as Computer, Healthcare, etc.

US of A have traditionally opened doors to such visa holders to ensure that these brightest and hardworking professionals work towards retaining USA's #1 position on this planet. Times changed, as we all witnessed global recession, stemming from what looked like a housing bubble, but resulted in far reaching effects.
US of A faced stiff resistance and protest from anti-immigrants lobby resulting in stricter rules (sometimes absurd) "Buy American" and "Employ American first" sentiments supported by Democratic party. This added fuel to the years of frustration for H1B visa holders from certain countries e.g. China, India, etc., who were waiting for years for their "coveted" Green Card (Permanent Residency status in USA).

Most the H1B holders have treated USA as their home country, by studying and working here for over several years. They have been truly law-abiding and tax paying folks; ofcourse there are few exceptions.
While there was no light at the end of tunnel, Alberta adminstration was wise enough to tap this "tried, tested, security cleared and resourceful" pool of folks. Alberta, identified shortage of specific skills that were required for its growth and prosperity, opened its arms to welcome such professionals who are currently having a valid H1B visa and are working in USA for atleast 1 year.

Typically, H1B holders in US have little freedom to change employers (can do while jeopardizing their GC application unless they are over 6 months in third stage), scared to buy big ticket items for lack of security (really don't know when they can be fired/transferred), spouse being unable to work on H4 visa, etc. There are recent events where H1B holder's visa revalidation has been delayed, in some cases denied. Uncertainty of getting visa revalidated has prevented several people, including me, from visiting their home country.

All stress and uncertainty will presumably go away as soon as they get Canadian PR. Neither I am saying that the Canada offers equal opportunity as US nor I would like to debate about it, but what Canada offers to H1B folks is invaluable freedom to live and work in Canada, without having to worry about changing employment, visiting their home countries, investing piles of cash (earned while they worked in US), etc.

One of the prime reasons why there are so many threads on H1B holders is -H1B folks are excited about this H1B SRS provision for attaining CND PR and have been more vocal in expressing/sharing their experiences, asking queries and providing support to other fellows on H1B, aspiring to get Canadian PR.

I can go on and on, but don't want this post to turn into article "Exodus of H1B's to North" or "H1B's Flight due to Plight"
LoL

Taps

taps,

very very well said.... this is exactly what the plight of H1B Vagabond is.... i have been in this for last
9 years and now looking to end it with blessings of AINP... as they call it Strategic Recruitment Stream...
it is quiet an apt title as it is truly strategic to gobble many of the ailing brightest and the best !

go Alberta !

 

[New2Canada]

When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT, deliberately excluding, to legal law abiding legal Aliens living legally in US for 5 years- what other option we have except considering Canada as an option??

Why not your own country, Singapore, Malaysia, etc? One can have a great lifestyle in any of these countries provided there is no war. I don't know what country your come from but seems like you really want to stay in North America. I wish you best of luck.