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Mermaid3011

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Hi all,
this might be a stupid question but please enlighten me:

what is this all about H1B? It seems to me that many people have to leave the US and move to Canada.
What is it? And what happened in the US (besides the big economical crisis) that now so many people are moving to Canada?
I understand that Alberta has a special PNP for H1B visa holder. But is that the only reason why there are so many threads on H1B holder?

Thanks!!!
Brigit
 

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Mermaid3011 said:
Hi all,
this might be a stupid question but please enlighten me:

what is this all about H1B? It seems to me that many people have to leave the US and move to Canada.
What is it? And what happened in the US (besides the big economical crisis) that now so many people are moving to Canada?
I understand that Alberta has a special PNP for H1B visa holder. But is that the only reason why there are so many threads on H1B holder?

Thanks!!!
Brigit
Let me give you a brief background about H1B visa and "flight" of H1B holders from USA to Canada
The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. Generally, people employed with H1B visa are highly skilled workers from different fields such as Computer, Healthcare, etc.

US of A have traditionally opened doors to such visa holders to ensure that these brightest and hardworking professionals work towards retaining USA's #1 position on this planet. Times changed, as we all witnessed global recession, stemming from what looked like a housing bubble, but resulted in far reaching effects.
US of A faced stiff resistance and protest from anti-immigrants lobby resulting in stricter rules (sometimes absurd) "Buy American" and "Employ American first" sentiments supported by Democratic party. This added fuel to the years of frustration for H1B visa holders from certain countries e.g. China, India, etc., who were waiting for years for their "coveted" Green Card (Permanent Residency status in USA).

Most the H1B holders have treated USA as their home country, by studying and working here for over several years. They have been truly law-abiding and tax paying folks; ofcourse there are few exceptions.
While there was no light at the end of tunnel, Alberta adminstration was wise enough to tap this "tried, tested, security cleared and resourceful" pool of folks. Alberta, identified shortage of specific skills that were required for its growth and prosperity, opened its arms to welcome such professionals who are currently having a valid H1B visa and are working in USA for atleast 1 year.

Typically, H1B holders in US have little freedom to change employers (can do while jeopardizing their GC application unless they are over 6 months in third stage), scared to buy big ticket items for lack of security (really don't know when they can be fired/transferred), spouse being unable to work on H4 visa, etc. There are recent events where H1B holder's visa revalidation has been delayed, in some cases denied. Uncertainty of getting visa revalidated has prevented several people, including me, from visiting their home country.

All stress and uncertainty will presumably go away as soon as they get Canadian PR. Neither I am saying that the Canada offers equal opportunity as US nor I would like to debate about it, but what Canada offers to H1B folks is invaluable freedom to live and work in Canada, without having to worry about changing employment, visiting their home countries, investing piles of cash (earned while they worked in US), etc.

One of the prime reasons why there are so many threads on H1B holders is -H1B folks are excited about this H1B SRS provision for attaining CND PR and have been more vocal in expressing/sharing their experiences, asking queries and providing support to other fellows on H1B, aspiring to get Canadian PR.

I can go on and on, but don't want this post to turn into article "Exodus of H1B's to North" or "H1B's Flight due to Plight"
LoL

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Yes, that is the only reason why there are so many threads here on H1B holders. Not all of them want to come to Canada but my understanding is that it can take a very long time to get a green card in the US so some of them are applying for PR only as a back up in case they get laid off in the US. Because of the economy getting worse, some of them are already getting laid off and having to return to their homelands.
 

Mermaid3011

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Dear Tapak and all others!

Wow... thank you so much for your explanation! I had no idea what was happening in the US these days!
I was living in my little "Canadian-WP/PR-Bubble" and this is all very new to me.
Actually it opens my eyes ... and shows me that my decision to go to Canada was probably right.
Even though I feel that Canada is not making it easy for Foreign Skilled Worker to stay these days either.
But afterall equality and personal freedom are much more valued "up here" than "down there".

I hope and sincerely wish everybody here to reach their personal goal soon and have some peace of mind to be able to enjoy life!

Brigit



Tapak said:
Mermaid3011 said:
Hi all,
this might be a stupid question but please enlighten me:

what is this all about H1B? It seems to me that many people have to leave the US and move to Canada.
What is it? And what happened in the US (besides the big economical crisis) that now so many people are moving to Canada?
I understand that Alberta has a special PNP for H1B visa holder. But is that the only reason why there are so many threads on H1B holder?

Thanks!!!
Brigit
Let me give you a brief background about H1B visa and "flight" of H1B holders from USA to Canada
The H-1B is a non-immigrant visa in the United States under the Immigration & Nationality Act, section 101(a)(15)(H). It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. Generally, people employed with H1B visa are highly skilled workers from different fields such as Computer, Healthcare, etc.

US of A have traditionally opened doors to such visa holders to ensure that these brightest and hardworking professionals work towards retaining USA's #1 position on this planet. Times changed, as we all witnessed global recession, stemming from what looked like a housing bubble, but resulted in far reaching effects.
US of A faced stiff resistance and protest from anti-immigrants lobby resulting in stricter rules (sometimes absurd) "Buy American" and "Employ American first" sentiments supported by Democratic party. This added fuel to the years of frustration for H1B visa holders from certain countries e.g. China, India, etc., who were waiting for years for their "coveted" Green Card (Permanent Residency status in USA).

Most the H1B holders have treated USA as their home country, by studying and working here for over several years. They have been truly law-abiding and tax paying folks; ofcourse there are few exceptions.
While there was no light at the end of tunnel, Alberta adminstration was wise enough to tap this "tried, tested, security cleared and resourceful" pool of folks. Alberta, identified shortage of specific skills that were required for its growth and prosperity, opened its arms to welcome such professionals who are currently having a valid H1B visa and are working in USA for atleast 1 year.

Typically, H1B holders in US have little freedom to change employers (can do while jeopardizing their GC application unless they are over 6 months in third stage), scared to buy big ticket items for lack of security (really don't know when they can be fired/transferred), spouse being unable to work on H4 visa, etc. There are recent events where H1B holder's visa revalidation has been delayed, in some cases denied. Uncertainty of getting visa revalidated has prevented several people, including me, from visiting their home country.

All stress and uncertainty will presumably go away as soon as they get Canadian PR. Neither I am saying that the Canada offers equal opportunity as US nor I would like to debate about it, but what Canada offers to H1B folks is invaluable freedom to live and work in Canada, without having to worry about changing employment, visiting their home countries, investing piles of cash (earned while they worked in US), etc.

One of the prime reasons why there are so many threads on H1B holders is -H1B folks are excited about this H1B SRS provision for attaining CND PR and have been more vocal in expressing/sharing their experiences, asking queries and providing support to other fellows on H1B, aspiring to get Canadian PR.

I can go on and on, but don't want this post to turn into article "Exodus of H1B's to North" or "H1B's Flight due to Plight"
LoL

Taps
 

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frankly, more than a back-up, if I do get a good paying job with a lucrative career (which I have been seriously hunting these days), my intent is to stay in CA; I feel the future is brighter in the north; only thing I need to get a job first!
 

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When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT, deliberately excluding, to legal law abiding legal Aliens living legally in US for 5 years- what other option we have except considering Canada as an option??
 

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Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
 

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rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are ready to take any challenge. Also if you have noticed this thing, that years ago India/ China used to get treatment like a developing nations so America used to have a way of sympathy with these nations. Now these two nations are treated like a biggest competitors and that's why people from India and China are having really hard time in United States. BTW Indians are having hard time in Australia as well, every flight with broken and injured travelers arrives at New delhi Airport, Customs Inspector ask that "Are you coming from Australia?"
 

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Dear Alberta Governer,

You are talking two different things ..

You mean to say .. those Phd's/Masters are envious of H1's and not their own citizens getting paid 160k ?? thats why they are coming out of their STEM research to earn more ??

anyways.. thanks for your comment and welcome back on your brand new form ..

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are reday to take any challenge.
 

AlbertaCitizen

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rezendgi said:
Dear Alberta Governer,

You are talking two different things ..

You mean to say .. those Phd's/Masters are envious of H1's and not their own citizens getting paid 160k ?? thats why they are coming out of their STEM research to earn more ??

anyways.. thanks for your comment and welcome back on your brand new form ..

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are reday to take any challenge.
Who is that Alberta Governer? STEM means (Science, technology, Engineering Maths) graduates. Well definitely this is intellectual fear that these H1B rush is being competitive to American worker.
 

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Very Good one ....

We know his footprints very well (sorry, cannot cheat us with new IDs just like this) .. because we are so used to him .. YOUR a great fun ...

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Dear Alberta Governer,

You are talking two different things ..

You mean to say .. those Phd's/Masters are envious of H1's and not their own citizens getting paid 160k ?? thats why they are coming out of their STEM research to earn more ??

anyways.. thanks for your comment and welcome back on your brand new form ..

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are reday to take any challenge.
Who is that Alberta Governer?
 

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rezendgi said:
Very Good one ....

We know his footprints very well (sorry, cannot cheat us with new IDs just like this) .. because we are so used to him .. YOUR a great fun ...

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Dear Alberta Governer,

You are talking two different things ..

You mean to say .. those Phd's/Masters are envious of H1's and not their own citizens getting paid 160k ?? thats why they are coming out of their STEM research to earn more ??

anyways.. thanks for your comment and welcome back on your brand new form ..

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are reday to take any challenge.
Who is that Alberta Governer?

There is a one more issue, The quality of intellect is not as high as H1B is designed for. Think about this from true heart. Is Reddy really so talented just because he knows that how to run a query with "SELECT" and "INTO" in SQL server? Just because few Americans will run the same query into SQL database with SQL server guide but just because he knows that how to run query he cannot be a Technical Project Manager with salary of 110K? This is the way which frustrates Americans. Americans from H1B expects somebody who is really highly skilled. let me ask:
How many H1B are real specialist in any ERP, System or Software?
How many H1B have patents pending before governement which could establish thier distinguished ability?
How many H1B's have Phd or equivelent degrees in STEM subjects?
This is not a USCIS query language BUT these are basic common sense questions. The requirement of H1B was kept only a Bachelor Degree because it was assumed that a Distinguished Ability person might not have Masters or Phd degrees BUT that doesn't mean that every Bachelor Degree holder is a person of distinguished ability because he knows how to install Windows XP and how to type on MS Word!!
 

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I agree to this point.

Also, I have seen many with very bad communication skills and poor English, which always irkes most Americans ..

But, this kind of rules affect people with real knowledge and who have come to the land with the American dream with lot of hard work and energy ..

Ultimately affecting America of the talent !

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Very Good one ....

We know his footprints very well (sorry, cannot cheat us with new IDs just like this) .. because we are so used to him .. YOUR a great fun ...

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Dear Alberta Governer,

You are talking two different things ..

You mean to say .. those Phd's/Masters are envious of H1's and not their own citizens getting paid 160k ?? thats why they are coming out of their STEM research to earn more ??

anyways.. thanks for your comment and welcome back on your brand new form ..

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:
Good Quote and very true ........................................ !!

Mike053 said:
When US is ready to give Green card to Illegal Aliens who are living illegally in US for 5 years BUT NOT to legal law abiding legal Aliens - what other option we have eexcept considering Canada as an option??
Because USA needs people to cook beans with pork, wash dishes, carry stones, maintain the gardens They don't neeed talent to come and steal 80K to 160K salaried jobs. It scares average American to see Phd's/Masters/Bachelor in STEM Subjects who are reday to take any challenge.
Who is that Alberta Governer?

There is a one more issue, The quality of intellect is not as high as H1B is designed for. Think about this from true heart. Is Reddy really so talented just because he knows that how to run a query with "SELECT" and "INTO" in SQL server? Just because few Americans will run the same query into SQL database with SQL server guide but just because he knows that how to run query he cannot be a Technical Project Manager with salary of 110K? This is the way which frustrates Americans.
 

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Majority of the requirements are not these BIG ?? thats why the quota was made 65000 or wanted to make it more ...

Even small talents like running SQL Queries, PL/SQL programming, SAP management are not available so very common in America due to the amount of companies present here (in this land of opportunities) ..

Let me ask you this Sir -

How many Americans due you think have a simple Graduate Degree ??

How many Americans are of Tuft, Stanford, Harvard ???

How many young American working force are there to support these kind of small activities (like running queries) ?? If you would have ever worked in a Bank or Major corporations (Financial, Energy, Oil, etc..) you would understand it better ??

Many have had lot of good times, vacation time, no working over the weekend stuff etc... (YOU CAN GET HARD WORK ONLY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO SUCCEED JUST LIKE FROM THE THIRD WORLD)

Most are still on the Enjoying Mode and / or Aged .. thats why they need !

AlbertaCitizen said:
rezendgi said:

How many H1B are real specialist in any ERP, System or Software?
How many H1B have patents pending before governement which could establish thier distinguished ability?
How many H1B's have Phd or equivelent degrees in STEM subjects?
This is not a USCIS query language BUT these are basic common sense questions. The requirement of H1B was kept only a Bachelor Degree because it was assumed that a Distinguished Ability person might not have Masters or Phd degrees BUT that doesn't mean that every Bachelor Degree holder is a person of distinguished ability because he knows how to install Windows XP and how to type on MS Word!!