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What I would change if I was Jason Kenney... (rant)

arron

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To me, being a Canadian sponsor, I read the immigration manuals, and I read these posts and there is just so much that makes me angry. So much red tape, redundant rules, barriers to immigration seemingly just for the sake of it.

This is not meant to be a complaining post, just things that I would like to see happen, and things I may write to my MP about and try to affect some change in the system.

First off: Dual streams for applications.

Is there any real need to have inland vs. outland applications? It seems to me that there should be just one stream for each category of application. People living in Canada on visitors visa have the choice to apply inland or outland, this is something I did not know when me and my wife submitted our inland application. And now we are stuck with no right to appeal, no freedom to leave Canada, just because we decided to apply inland.

What is the purpose of this? Why not just have one single stream of family class applications, with the right to appeal? This will not create more problems for immigration canada, this will if anything speed up the process by allowing the offices to pool their resources instead of having two different sets of forms, two different sets of rules, dozens of offices around the world could be processing cases faster, and the folks up in Vegreville could maybe cut down on their processing time from the ridiculous figure of 9 months.

Second: Medical Examinations

Well, as most of us know, spouses and dependent children are exempt from medical requirements for admissability. So why do we have to spend upwards of $200 a person to examine nearly our entire family, even those who will never be coming to Canada? How many times have I seen posts where an ex-husband or ex-wife refuses to co-operate with getting kids medically examined? My wife is in this same situation herself. Her ex may or may not decide to take her kids in england to get their medical examinations, but since we have applied inland, she can't even leave the country to take her kids herself. And even though their examinations have no bearing whatsoever on their admissablity, failure to provide them means they can never, ever ever ever be sponsored. This smacks of kick-backs and cash grabs, does anyone really know who decides who is a Designated Medical Practitioner? And where does the medical fee go?

Solution: Scrap the medicals for spouses and dependent children. I understand there is a need to monitor people with contagious diseases such as HIV or TB, but a simple blood test covered by NHS would be ample proof that they are not endangering Canadians.

Third: Immigration forms

As a Canadian who has lived his entire life in Ontario, college education and with a decent background in English, I find the forms, guides, manuals that CIC provides next to impossible to decipher. It took almost two years from my wife and I's decision for her to immigrate to Canada to actually submit the forms to Vegreville, and much of that was pure confusion. We didn't know whether the medicals were to be submitted before or after we submitted the various applications. We didn't know whether my income was enough to meet the LICO requirement (turns out we are exempt from that too). Why? because they are literally buried in immigration manuals that if you didn't know they existed, you would never find a link for on the immigration website.

Please consolidate these forms, every form could be replaced by one generic form for sponsor and applicant(s), and category could be determined by a simple check box. Remove the legalese from the forms, take a look at any form from the United Kingdom for an example of how to make forms readable. They word their forms in simple english that even those of us without a bachelors degree specializing in immigration law can understand. Have every form go to a central intake, classify them there, if anything is missing let us know right away. give us our ECAS numbers upon receipt of the applications, and give us meaningful status updates.

Last: Fees.

Why are we being charged fees to submit a permanent residence application? Why the fees to sponsor? And why do the fees go up for every family member added to the application? When you sign your cheques notice they go to the Receiver General of Canada, in other words they go to the federal governments general income, for them to disperse however they see fit. The money does not go back to CIC to recover costs, it is basically a straight tax with the federal government pocketing the money. Please make the fees reasonable. I have paid taxes all my life and am tired of paying twice for government services.



If the process is being made deliberately difficult in order to 'weed out' people who aren't committed, I really doubt this is being achieved, rather all that is being achieved is ridiculous backlogs of cases from 9 months to years and years and years. If the government wants more immigration, and they have stated as much in hundreds of conferences and press releases, make it

My apologies if this upsets anyone or lowers the tone of this board in any way, I just get fed up with the attitude that 'this is how the Canadian Government wants things done, it must be right, just play along.' Sometimes it doesn't take much to effect change, a few well-written letters to the right people or social media groups have changed government policies before, many times. Hopefully all of you seeking to be Canadians will soon get your permanent residence status, and hopefully citizenship. When you do, please remember how hard it was and maybe work to change the horribly broken system that is Citizenship and Immigration Canada.
 

Oil Sand Guy

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Nov 6, 2010
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If I were Jason Kenney:
The first thing I will do is: to create a Counselling Board (therapists-psychologists- and historians and counsellors) to educate and examine the Canadians who are seeking marriage from abroad, specially when culture-religion and development are prominent. I will focus the attention of the board on women in particular. I will try not to interfer with human rights and individual freedom but I will make them responsible about their own decisions and steps. I will, by doing this, contribute positively to straighten the mentality and culture of BUTTERFLIES ...(means: do NOT go towards the light and fire like butterflies do- Then be aware of the burn- Then if you burn your finger, don't scream ah ah aha it burns, it hurts- be responsible..be humble- be kind to others too).
 

Love_Young

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WOW is all I can say. I couldn't agree with you more. These times are hard and we should use our voices to get help. Don't say it isn't possible because it is. The world cannot become a better place if we are afraid or too quiet to stand up for our beliefs. And if anyone knows what it is like to deal with this all, it is all of us. I pray for a time when the immigration process is more fair to us families and genuine couples.
 

Love_Young

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Oil Sand Guy said:
Hahaha Lol, be specific. You couldn't agree more with whom? arron or Oil Soaked Guy? :) :) :)
Lol, you crack me up. Well I was originally we posting to arron but I agree with you as well. :)
 

Oil Sand Guy

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Love_Young said:
Lol, you crack me up. Well I was originally we posting to arron but I agree with you as well. :)
ok ok, if I were jason kenney, I will schedule an urgent interview for you and your spouse separately to determine the genuineness of your relationship. :p :) :D ;D
 

confusednscared

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I think there will be change but it will take some time before the immigration system in Canada either gets better or worse. My inner gut instincts tell me that it'll be for the better. Why? Well, I think going back 10-15 years ago the trend in sponsorship was between an immigrant who first came to Canada and later wishes to sponsor their family members. Therefore, an immigrant to immigrant relationship.

Society in general was never informed of these the types of injustice that goes on in the immigration system nor were the 'normal' people of society interested in knowing anything about the immigration system because of the majority of immigrant-to-immigrant applications that were processed. My time I spent in Canada, only an immigrant that has been faced with difficulties of CIC knows of how unfair the system can get. When brought forward to the local media, it gets publicized but no one seems to be too interested. My lawyer once told me that whatever happens inside of CIC, their rules, policies, injustice, unfair decisions, etc., do get to slip away because

1: People who have not gone through the process at all (about 90% of the entire Cdn population) in their lives are not interested in knowing about what happens within CIC
1: There isn't enough societal influence on the ones that put these policies in place to make changes

What I have noticed just recently (about 5+ years now) is not only immigrants are sponsoring immigrants but Canadians are also traveling the world and sponsoring the ones they fall in love with OR it is that sponsors in general have opened their eyes and decide that it's time for change. How is it that very recent the media is always flooded with some issue pertaining to CIC? Is it from the people or the Government itself?

I too would love to see a little more leniency in the system and I think change for the better is always good but like I said, maybe it'll take a few more to make noise in order for these changes to be made. I also think the GOC need to show some sort of fairness in their immigration system. That is, have a standard or close to standard processing for all VOs around the world and not <6 months for most Asian offices and >6-18 months for all other offices around the world. It's full of BS when you see the same people doing the same thing as you and they are processed in sometimes 1-3 months while you sit your @$$ for months almost 2 years waiting for the same application to be process. Where the eff is fairness in that?

Maybe Minister Kenny could answer without trying to beat around the bush this time and say that Canada has to maintain its international relations with XY and Z place, therefore, faster processing is allotted to XY and Z place while he just nods about the other 80% of extenuated processing at the other offices.
 

Love_Young

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Oil Sand Guy said:
ok ok, if I were jason kenney, I will schedule an urgent interview for you and your spouse separately to determine the genuineness of your relationship. :p :) :D ;D
I say bring it on.

:p
 

Oil Sand Guy

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confusednscared:

You are scaring me by being so serious in " a RANT thread".
I appreciate your serious comment but my sincere advice is this"
"Do not trust politicians...take most of what they say or promise with a grain of salt" :(
 

Cdagal

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confusedandscared I agree with you about the lack of societal influence! I admit that before I was forced to learn about it, I was alot like many people I know in that I assumed once someone married a Canadian, they could just come here. It NEVER occurred to me that it could be a difficult process.
That lack of knowledge, coupled with the media's new interest in focussing on the down-side of marriage-based immigration means that it will only continue to get more and more complicated. As for the forms, our application was very well put together, but in all honesty, without this forum would not have included a quarter of what I did include. They are very unclear (deliberately??) as to what they expect to see as proof of relationships.
I feel like (so far anyways) my husband and I have received fair treatment and our application has been processed within a reasonable time frame...It does seem to me that so many couples fall through the cracks in the system, which is not hard to do when the cracks are everywhere.
 

Love_Young

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Cdagal what you said is definitely something I can relate to. We too were naive to knowing that I had to immigrate. Even my friends and family are always thinking that since we are already married I am a citizen. Ugh..when that starts I carry on like a 15 minute conversation about the whole process, how you don't just become a citizen, and yes it does take this much work etc. etc. It would have been nice to known more a head of time and could have made for better planning ahead. But being young and in love we just thought we could move and live wherever, be happy for the rest of our days. Boy were we sadly mistaken. Sometimes I still wish I was naive to all of this and living the fairy tale life we were once living when we first met but that isn't how life is.

When it all comes down to it, I definitely think immigrants, sponsors, and everyone else deserves to be given more information when it comes to all of this. Wouldn't it make it easier on all of us?
 

confusednscared

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Oil Sand Guy said:
confusednscared:

You are scaring me by being so serious in " a RANT thread".
I appreciate your serious comment but my sincere advice is this"
"Do not trust politicians...take most of what they say or promise with a grain of salt" :(
LOL ... I wasn't even close to being serious about the political aspect of my argument ... I am never for politics nor have I ever liked it. However, I guess sometimes we are put in a situation where we have to listen to what these idiot politicians say and live by it cuz where else can we seek justice? Some govts are indeed corrupt but some are somewhat much worse then it is in Canada. I must say that Canada's political system is kinda favorable in comparison to that which I live in (under-developed world).


@ Cdagal, one thing I think too is a lot of people are afraid to speak up to the media and make their cases known to Cdn society. Here's an example from my experience:

I was a failed refugee and PRRA applicant in Canada and was issued a Deportation Order by CBSA. I was told that I can appeal the decision of the PRRA officer so I by all means went ahead and put in for the appeal through the FC Canada. It was very little time I had. In the meantime I started seeking help through organizations to which my only answer was to seek media attention. I am not a fan of being publicized in the media or even be part of a video. At my college, there is the Campus Magazine/Newspaper prepared for by Journalist students. Word of mouth passed through my classmates to find ways to get me to stay in Canada. I got a call from the Campus Magazine who wanted to interview me over the phone in order to discuss my situation. I had agreed for the interview but at the same time I had to work it in a way that it wouldn't upset the Judge reviewing my case. IOW, keep it on the down low not to make a big public scene. The newspaper article was published by the School's newspaper 2 days before I was scheduled to leave Canada while my Judicial Appeal was pending.

The article made its way online, to various different local and migrant newspaper. I was even contacted by a news reporter from CTV who published the article. Things were going smooth until the day after the article was published, my parents in my homeland, some 3000+ miles away opened the local newspapers and saw the same exact article published in the headlines as "X person is to be deported from Canada" Not that too, my name was mentioned in the article. News agencies started harassing my folks in my homeland inquiring when I am scheduled to land, the date, time, etc. It was a total complete mess because I am sure if the FC Canada hadn't overturned that decision I would have had cameras up my behind in my homeland. Makes me an even greater target for everything because our population is smaller.

So ya, I guess this is one of the many things people fear and think of seriously before reaching out to the media especially too if there is a strong culture tie to Canada.

And, I would love if Minister Kenny can definitely change the way in which the entire bureaucracy of CIC operates.

I wish I had known of this Forum before submitting my application. Too late now but I am almost seeing light at the end of my tunnel.
 

Oil Sand Guy

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confusednscared said:
LOL ... I wasn't even close to being serious about the political aspect of my argument ... I am never for politics nor have I ever liked it. However, I guess sometimes we are put in a situation where we have to listen to what these idiot politicians say and live by it cuz where else can we seek justice? Some govts are indeed corrupt but some are somewhat much worse then it is in Canada. I must say that Canada's political system is kinda favorable in comparison to that which I live in (under-developed world).
I agree 100%. But remember the word "RELATIVELY"...when you compare the idiots
 

confusednscared

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Oil Sand Guy said:
I agree 100%. But remember the word "RELATIVELY"...when you compare the idiots
I am sorry, I didn't quite get that :)