Visitor Visa Rejected - Please advise

[boltz]

Applied for father-in-law and mother-in-law from India. Reasons given for rejection:

"You have not satisfied me that you would leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident. In reaching this decision, I considered several factors, including:
1. Your travel history
2. Length of proposed stay in canada
3. Purpose of Visit"


MIL - has 2 travels 5 months (USA) & 1 week (Thailand)
FIL - has 2 travels 3 days (Singapore) & 1 week (Thailand)

Purpose of visit (MIL & FIL) - to spend time with my daughter, son-in-law and grand daughter; as well to visit some of places in Canada
Length of proposed stay (MIL & FIL) - got mixed up (mentioned 6 months in applicant's affidavit; while it is mentioned as 4-5 months in my invitation letter)

MIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and i have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am a house wife staying wiht my husband itself since from my marriage and i have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period."
FIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and I have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am having my own business and I have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period.

Is there a possibility to reapply? What has gone wrong? What can be corrected?

There is no intention, what so ever, to stay for more than 4-5 months. I do not know how best can this be put in wording to make it clear on "purpose of visit and that they would leave Canada at the end of their stay"

 

[Bryanna]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Hi,

You can reapply anytime after you address the reasons for refusal.

Married sons and their families will not be viewed as *dependents* on your in-laws. A point for thought: if indeed they are *dependents* then how will your brothers-in-law and their families manage when your in-laws are in Canada for 6 months? Are they financially dependent? Or dependent on your in-laws to manage home and look after their kids - which is perhaps what you mean?

Maybe the perception they may have created - by asking for the full length of authorized period (6 months) - is they do not have strong reasons to return to India + are they being invited to take care of your home/daughter just like they look after their other grandchildren?

Affidavits to return home are only assurances, but not sureties..... hence, one must demonstrate concrete, tangible reasons to return to the country of residence.


Please share the detailed list of documents they submitted + the exact statement/purpose for inviting them..... so we can give suggestions



Cheers

 

[jEmilio]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Just say they are staying for a shorter period, like 2 or 3 weeks max, when they get their TRV they can stay up to 6 months

 

[yahoo7]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Just say they are staying for a shorter period, like 2 or 3 weeks max, when they get their TRV they can stay up to 6 months

Are there chances that the visa will then be issued only for 2-3 weeks?

 

[yahoo7]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Applied for father-in-law and mother-in-law from India. Reasons given for rejection:

"You have not satisfied me that you would leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident. In reaching this decision, I considered several factors, including:
1. Your travel history
2. Length of proposed stay in canada
3. Purpose of Visit"


MIL - has 2 travels 5 months (USA) & 1 week (Thailand)
FIL - has 2 travels 3 days (Singapore) & 1 week (Thailand)

Purpose of visit (MIL & FIL) - to spend time with my daughter, son-in-law and grand daughter; as well to visit some of places in Canada
Length of proposed stay (MIL & FIL) - got mixed up (mentioned 6 months in applicant's affidavit; while it is mentioned as 4-5 months in my invitation letter)

MIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and i have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am a house wife staying wiht my husband itself since from my marriage and i have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period."
FIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and I have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am having my own business and I have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period.

Is there a possibility to reapply? What has gone wrong? What can be corrected?

There is no intention, what so ever, to stay for more than 4-5 months. I do not know how best can this be put in wording to make it clear on "purpose of visit and that they would leave Canada at the end of their stay"

Can you list all the supporting documents you have submitted in addition to the affidavits. Do your inlaws have fixed assets?

 

[steaky]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

MIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and i have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am a house wife staying wiht my husband itself since from my marriage and i have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period."
FIL's affidavit has - "I am having two married sons who are dependent upon me and I have to look after them and their children after my return from Canada. I am having my own business and I have to look after my properties situated at India after my return from Canada. Moreover I have no intention of staying there after my visit of six months period.

Why spend money on affidavit? Is it required by the VO? Why don't they apply separately (one after the other)?

 

[boltz]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Hi,

You can reapply anytime after you address the reasons for refusal.

Married sons and their families will not be viewed as *dependents* on your in-laws. A point for thought: if indeed they are *dependents* then how will your brothers-in-law and their families manage when your in-laws are in Canada for 6 months? Are they financially dependent? Or dependent on your in-laws to manage home and look after their kids - which is perhaps what you mean?

Maybe the perception they may have created - by asking for the full length of authorized period (6 months) - is they do not have strong reasons to return to India + are they being invited to take care of your home/daughter just like they look after their other grandchildren?

Affidavits to return home are only assurances, but not sureties..... hence, one must demonstrate concrete, tangible reasons to return to the country of residence.


Please share the detailed list of documents they submitted + the exact statement/purpose for inviting them..... so we can give suggestions



Cheers

Byranna, can the reapply happen immediately (2 weeks gap or so) or is there a cool off period needed?

Your comment above - where and how do the applicant demonstrate this? As part of affidavit, or letter, etc?

Documents included for each of 2 applicants (other than application forms) - 6 mths bank stmts (2-3 Lakhs final balane), notary declaration of assets valuation (however copy of property docs were NOT included), 2 years Income Tax returns copy.

My invitation letter mentioned the purpose as tourism, family reunion with their daughter son-in-law grand child ( since its over 3 years since we met last), and inviting them for 4-5 months.

My brothers in law are not financially dependent on my FIL. FIL is the head of house hold. --- I prefer to rewrite it to remove confusion if possible. Basically they have to return back to join their family and attend to their property. Unfortunately they donot have a business in my FIL's name, and is in my brother-in-law's name - though its a family business that they take care together - FIL drives this business through his sons together.

Please clarify my earlier Qs and advise next steps. Thank u.

 

[boltz]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Can you list all the supporting documents you have submitted in addition to the affidavits. Do your inlaws have fixed assets?

Yes they have fixed assets. A notary statement of listing of assets has been provided. No property documents have been included though.

 

[boltz]

Re: Visitor Visa Rejected - Please help advise

Why spend money on affidavit? Is it required by the VO? Why don't they apply separately (one after the other)?

I donot know - pls advise if affidavit (self declaration before notary) is required or just a letter will suffice - when I reapply? Thank u

Okay so, would it help if I were to apply for one only to start with? It is primarily my MIL intended to visit us since its over 3 years that we met.

 

[Bryanna]

Hi,

Byranna, can the reapply happen immediately (2 weeks gap or so) or is there a cool off period needed?

There's no cool off period. They can reapply as soon as they prepare documentation/evidence to address the refusal.

Your comment above - where and how do the applicant demonstrate this? As part of affidavit, or letter, etc?

Affidavits are not sureties to return home. What counts is evidence to prove they will not overstay, such as employment or business/ property/ family/ financial situation, etc

Documents included for each of 2 applicants (other than application forms) - 6 mths bank stmts (2-3 Lakhs final balane), notary declaration of assets valuation (however copy of property docs were NOT included), 2 years Income Tax returns copy.

My invitation letter mentioned the purpose as tourism, family reunion with their daughter son-in-law grand child ( since its over 3 years since we met last), and inviting them for 4-5 months.

My brothers in law are not financially dependent on my FIL. FIL is the head of house hold. --- I prefer to rewrite it to remove confusion if possible. Basically they have to return back to join their family and attend to their property. Unfortunately they donot have a business in my FIL's name, and is in my brother-in-law's name - though its a family business that they take care together - FIL drives this business through his sons together.

Here's what you can do:
Property:
Is it an apartment/house or land ownership?

If an apartment/house, is it in a housing society?

On whose name is the property?


Financials:
INR 2-300,000 for two persons for the specified length of visit is on the very low side.... ideally, they must have about CAD 1000 per person per week of visit + airfare + surplus finances

Even if you/your wife will take care of accommodation/airfare/living expenses, the funds shown are low


Do they have other investments such as FDs, RDs, mutual funds, shares, PPF, LIC, jewelry, cash-in-hand, foreign currency?


Business:
Does your FIL earn regular income from the business? Or profit-sharing?

Can he submit bank statements to show transfer/payments made to his personal account from the business as his share/remuneration for his efforts in the business?

He can also prepare an explanation to explain why he does not earn regular income from the business nor can he show promotions/salary increases + how the business management is structured with his sons, his role and responsibilities, why he can take XX weeks off from the business to visit Canada, who will manage his responsibilities when he is away, why his business allows him to withdraw money for personal/overseas visits (if it's the case), Audit Report/Balance Sheet for the business, etc


Family:
Explanation with details listing all immediate family residing with your in-laws + another table broadly mentioning extended family


For Purpose of Visit:
You could state a much shorter duration for the visit i.e. few weeks or max 2 months.... finances to cover this visit


Travel History
If your MIL has traveled to the US in the last 10 years then you can leverage this to her advantage..... Singapore/Thailand are not really considered as *travel history*. Does she have a valid US visa?


Although it's not mandatory, I think it's worth buying overseas medical insurance policies from an insurance company in India, and submit copies with the visa applications.


If you wish to apply only for your MIL then what finances/assets would she show? Does she own property?

Affidavits do not help.... documentary evidence of ties to India will make the difference


Cheers

 

[boltz]

Hi,
There's no cool off period. They can reapply as soon as they prepare documentation/evidence to address the refusal.

Affidavits are not sureties to return home. What counts is evidence to prove they will not overstay, such as employment or business/ property/ family/ financial situation, etc



Here's what you can do:
Property:
Is it an apartment/house or land ownership?

If an apartment/house, is it in a housing society?

On whose name is the property?


Financials:
INR 2-300,000 for two persons for the specified length of visit is on the very low side.... ideally, they must have about CAD 1000 per person per week of visit + airfare + surplus finances

Even if you/your wife will take care of accommodation/airfare/living expenses, the funds shown are low


Do they have other investments such as FDs, RDs, mutual funds, shares, PPF, LIC, jewelry, cash-in-hand, foreign currency?


Business:
Does your FIL earn regular income from the business? Or profit-sharing?

Can he submit bank statements to show transfer/payments made to his personal account from the business as his share/remuneration for his efforts in the business?

He can also prepare an explanation to explain why he does not earn regular income from the business nor can he show promotions/salary increases + how the business management is structured with his sons, his role and responsibilities, why he can take XX weeks off from the business to visit Canada, who will manage his responsibilities when he is away, why his business allows him to withdraw money for personal/overseas visits (if it's the case), Audit Report/Balance Sheet for the business, etc


Family:
Explanation with details listing all immediate family residing with your in-laws + another table broadly mentioning extended family


For Purpose of Visit:
You could state a much shorter duration for the visit i.e. few weeks or max 2 months.... finances to cover this visit


Travel History
If your MIL has traveled to the US in the last 10 years then you can leverage this to her advantage..... Singapore/Thailand are not really considered as *travel history*. Does she have a valid US visa?


Although it's not mandatory, I think it's worth buying overseas medical insurance policies from an insurance company in India, and submit copies with the visa applications.


If you wish to apply only for your MIL then what finances/assets would she show? Does she own property?

Affidavits do not help.... documentary evidence of ties to India will make the difference


Cheers

Ma'am - that's awesome thought provoking Qs. I'll need some time to mull over them before I can come back ask clarifications - that awesome.

"Although it's not mandatory, I think it's worth buying overseas medical insurance policies from an insurance company in India, and submit copies with the visa applications.
If you wish to apply only for your MIL then what finances/assets would she show? Does she own property? "

Reg ur comment - how does this insurance policy help (what message does it give)? Why do u suggest 'from India'. Can I take one from canada in mil's name?

Mil has one farming land in her name(property docs available) worth 20L. In addition is it possible to tag her husband's assets (& bank stayements) for declaration though I am applying for her alone? I mean husband's assets are their family assets.

 

[boltz]

Hi,
There's no cool off period. They can reapply as soon as they prepare documentation/evidence to address the refusal.

Affidavits are not sureties to return home. What counts is evidence to prove they will not overstay, such as employment or business/ property/ family/ financial situation, etc



Here's what you can do:
Property:
Is it an apartment/house or land ownership?

If an apartment/house, is it in a housing society?

On whose name is the property?


Financials:
INR 2-300,000 for two persons for the specified length of visit is on the very low side.... ideally, they must have about CAD 1000 per person per week of visit + airfare + surplus finances

Even if you/your wife will take care of accommodation/airfare/living expenses, the funds shown are low


Do they have other investments such as FDs, RDs, mutual funds, shares, PPF, LIC, jewelry, cash-in-hand, foreign currency?


Business:
Does your FIL earn regular income from the business? Or profit-sharing?

Can he submit bank statements to show transfer/payments made to his personal account from the business as his share/remuneration for his efforts in the business?

He can also prepare an explanation to explain why he does not earn regular income from the business nor can he show promotions/salary increases + how the business management is structured with his sons, his role and responsibilities, why he can take XX weeks off from the business to visit Canada, who will manage his responsibilities when he is away, why his business allows him to withdraw money for personal/overseas visits (if it's the case), Audit Report/Balance Sheet for the business, etc


Family:
Explanation with details listing all immediate family residing with your in-laws + another table broadly mentioning extended family


For Purpose of Visit:
You could state a much shorter duration for the visit i.e. few weeks or max 2 months.... finances to cover this visit


Travel History
If your MIL has traveled to the US in the last 10 years then you can leverage this to her advantage..... Singapore/Thailand are not really considered as *travel history*. Does she have a valid US visa?


Although it's not mandatory, I think it's worth buying overseas medical insurance policies from an insurance company in India, and submit copies with the visa applications.


If you wish to apply only for your MIL then what finances/assets would she show? Does she own property?

Affidavits do not help.... documentary evidence of ties to India will make the difference


Cheers

Yes she has valid USA visa... How could I leverage this ( in what form)?

How do I provide this info (purple)? Yes there is gold, silver, cash in hand.

In addition, would it help the case if I also buy travel tickets ( with return) and provide that with application.?

 

[Bryanna]

Ma'am - that's awesome thought provoking Qs. I'll need some time to mull over them before I can come back ask clarifications - that awesome.

"Although it's not mandatory, I think it's worth buying overseas medical insurance policies from an insurance company in India, and submit copies with the visa applications.
If you wish to apply only for your MIL then what finances/assets would she show? Does she own property? "

Reg ur comment - how does this insurance policy help (what message does it give)? Why do u suggest 'from India'. Can I take one from canada in mil's name?

Mil has one farming land in her name(property docs available) worth 20L. In addition is it possible to tag her husband's assets (& bank stayements) for declaration though I am applying for her alone? I mean husband's assets are their family assets.

The Overseas travel medical insurance policy does not help per se for the visa.... it's just a thought-out supporting document which would give you peace of mind in case of any medical emergencies.

The reason I suggested buying a policy from India is that it works out to probably 1/5th of the price compared to buying it from a Canadian insurance company..... if you choose an Indian insurer then it must have a global insurance partner


For the farmland, you can submit proofs of Land Ownership + does it fetch any income through farming + proofs (any) to show it is actively farmed(?)

You can mention about property owned with her husband.... however, if it is legally not on her name then I am not sure how it will help her

 

[Bryanna]

Yes she has valid USA visa... How could I leverage this ( in what form)?

In the first instance she could have applied under the CAN+ program because she has a valid US visa/she has visited the US in the last 10 years.... in fact, VFS staff should have checked her passport/asked about this before accepting her visa application.

You can mention about her US visa with entry/exit stamp proofs + the Thailand visit in an Explanation XX: My Travel History

How do I provide this info (purple)? Yes there is gold, silver, cash in hand.

For gold and silver, including jewelry, do get it assessed and include it in proofs of financial situation + submit any proofs of purchase

Cash-in-hand: This will be somewhat difficult to prove that it is earned, taxes paid, their own money and not borrowed, etc.... you'll have to figure this one

In addition, would it help the case if I also buy travel tickets ( with return) and provide that with application.?

You could either buy refundable tickets (although one must not buy tickets until a visa is granted)..... or you can submit provisional ticket bookings which can be confirmed when the TRV is issued (you can mention this in the visa application)

 

[boltz]

In the first instance she could have applied under the CAN+ program because she has a valid US visa/she has visited the US in the last 10 years.... in fact, VFS staff should have checked her passport/asked about this before accepting her visa application.

You can mention about her US visa with entry/exit stamp proofs + the Thailand visit in an Explanation XX: My Travel History

For gold and silver, including jewelry, do get it assessed and include it in proofs of financial situation + submit any proofs of purchase

Cash-in-hand: This will be somewhat difficult to prove that it is earned, taxes paid, their own money and not borrowed, etc.... you'll have to figure this one

You could either buy refundable tickets (although one must not buy tickets until a visa is granted)..... or you can submit provisional ticket bookings which can be confirmed when the TRV is issued (you can mention this in the visa application)

Can you throw a bit more light on CAN+ program? Her's is a usa visitor visa ( not work permit like H1 or L1) Why do you say 'in first instance' - is it possible i look at it now? Thank you.