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xiques

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Jun 8, 2010
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hi folks
send my inland spouseship application to Vegreville sep 2010 and they start to process it since Dec 2010. i have my status chenged from
worker to visitor since sep 2010, my frist visitor visa was from nov 2010 to feb 2011 then i apply to extend my visitor visa by ONLINE SERVICES provide by CIC,then i just recive a refuse letter today,as it state reson of refusal
1.Reson of original entry and reson for requested extension
2. Ties to contry of permanent residence,including:
-employment and study cooitments;
-family ties and responsibilities;
-status(citizenship or immigration status);
3.Financail means for the extender stay and return home
4. travel and identity documents
5. probability to leave Canada at end of authorized stay

and i do not know what your guys think but for me none of those reson make sence.

so i guss my question are : how should i respond this
and do i really need a visitor visa

thanks for your time
 
Did you give as a reason to extend your visitor status that you are applying inland for spousal sponsorship and include your file number?
 
i did it by using CIC online service right, so thay do not have that option to but addtional document in.
and i do not think i send my receipt for spousal sponsorship, as that is same office so i suppose that should know!
the last, reson i put on for (what are the reson for your request) is:
Since i send my Inland PR to Vegrevulle, i have not heard anything from them yet so i need more time to wait.

thx
 
You should have sent your application to extend along with your sponsorship, then they would have been linked together. Vegreville is one office but they have a lot of applications going and they may not automatically link applications unless you tell them to. After all, there could be people with similar names living in the same building etc.

Does the online application not have any space to write the reason why you want to extend? What did you put there? You can not leave Canada because then you lose your application so you must apply to extend again and list the correct reason, inland spousal sponsorship in progress.
 
Leon said:
You should have sent your application to extend along with your sponsorship, then they would have been linked together. Vegreville is one office but they have a lot of applications going and they may not automatically link applications unless you tell them to. After all, there could be people with similar names living in the same building etc.

Does the online application not have any space to write the reason why you want to extend? What did you put there? You can not leave Canada because then you lose your application so you must apply to extend again and list the correct reason, inland spousal sponsorship in progress.
the reson i put in is :

Since i send my Inland PR to Vegrevulle, i have not heard anything from them yet so i need more time to wait.

so should do a restore or just re apply ?
 
Your status already expired so try a restore now stating as a reason "I have an inland spousal sponsorship application in progress that was sent to Vegreville in Sept. 2010".
 
This illustrates why it's so important to include the extension application WITH the inland PR application. Even though it's all Vegreville, you can't depend on them to be able to put 2 and 2 together and actually figure out that you have an inland ap in process when you apply separately to extend status.

This is the second or third time in recent weeks I've seen this happen - someone at CPC-Vegreville is NOT doing their job! However, you were within your rights to apply separately, and it should have been approved. In the Inland Applicant's application guide, Part II, Your Status in Canada/Maintaining Your Status, it says:

Maintaining legal status in Canada

You have two options available to ensure that your legal temporary status in Canada remains valid until permanent residence is confirmed:

1. You can apply for both an extension of your temporary resident status and permanent resident status at the same time. If you choose this option, complete both an application to extend your status and an application for permanent residence. Be sure to include both applications and all the supporting documents and fees that are required in the same envelope.

Note: The acceptance of your application for temporary resident status does not guarantee the acceptance of your application for permanent residence.

2. You can apply to extend your temporary resident status separately from the application for permanent residence, but you must do so before your temporary status expires. You have legal status for the period of time indicated on your visitor document (work permit, study permit, visitor record) or temporary resident permit.

You used the second option, which you were told you could do. And you used the online application to extend, which nobody said you shouldn't do. As long as you got that extension application to them before your visitor visa expired, you did nothing wrong. So, the best thing to do is have your sponsor get their MP involved. Your sponsor should take proof of when your inland PR application was submitted, and proof of when you applied online to extend your status - showing that it was before the expiration date of your visit visa - to the MP's office. The MP's office needs to get in touch with Vegreville and notify them of their mistake. They need to quote the above instructions from the application instructions, and tell Vegreville that you did everything exactly as you were told to do. It's not your fault that the online system does not allow you to provide additional support of your application - in fact, that's the reason I would never use the online extension application, but that's beside the point. CIC offers it, with its limitations, and they can't just deny legitimate extension requests because they haven't thought through how to provide applicants with the means to support their applications!! The MPs office needs to stress the fact that you are required to remain in Canada in order to be eligible as an inland applicant, so that extension needs to be approved AND it needs to be cross-referenced with your inland application so that, when they finally get around to assessing you for first stage approval, they don't end up sending your application to your local office for processing because they think you're out of status. That could delay processing of your PR for a long time. Do not let the MP's office placate the two of you - this is IMPORTANT, and it is a big mistake on the part of CPC-Vegreville. The MP should not let up until they get this resolved, even if they have to go to the Minister's office to get that accomplished. Have your sponsor print this out, if need be, so they know exactly what they're requiring of the MP's office and do not back down until you get satisfaction. Someone at Vegreville needs to get their act together and figure out a way to be able to tell whether someone has an inland ap in process or not when an extension ap comes in! Just because they can't get around to opening and logging in inland PR aps for 9-10 months does not mean that someone with a legitimate application for extension of their status should be put through the stress of being refused!! Please post back and let us know how things turn out.
 
RobsLuv said:
You used the second option, which you were told you could do. And you used the online application to extend, which nobody said you shouldn't do. As long as you got that extension application to them before your visitor visa expired, you did nothing wrong. So, the best thing to do is have your sponsor get their MP involved. Your sponsor should take proof of when your inland PR application was submitted, and proof of when you applied online to extend your status - showing that it was before the expiration date of your visit visa - to the MP's office. The MP's office needs to get in touch with Vegreville and notify them of their mistake. They need to quote the above instructions from the application instructions, and tell Vegreville that you did everything exactly as you were told to do. It's not your fault that the online system does not allow you to provide additional support of your application - in fact, that's the reason I would never use the online extension application, but that's beside the point. CIC offers it, with its limitations, and they can't just deny legitimate extension requests because they haven't thought through how to provide applicants with the means to support their applications!! The MPs office needs to stress the fact that you are required to remain in Canada in order to be eligible as an inland applicant, so that extension needs to be approved AND it needs to be cross-referenced with your inland application so that, when they finally get around to assessing you for first stage approval, they don't end up sending your application to your local office for processing because they think you're out of status. That could delay processing of your PR for a long time. Do not let the MP's office placate the two of you - this is IMPORTANT, and it is a big mistake on the part of CPC-Vegreville. The MP should not let up until they get this resolved, even if they have to go to the Minister's office to get that accomplished. Have your sponsor print this out, if need be, so they know exactly what they're requiring of the MP's office and do not back down until you get satisfaction. Someone at Vegreville needs to get their act together and figure out a way to be able to tell whether someone has an inland ap in process or not when an extension ap comes in! Just because they can't get around to opening and logging in inland PR aps for 9-10 months does not mean that someone with a legitimate application for extension of their status should be put through the stress of being refused!! Please post back and let us know how things turn out.

I somewhat agree and disagree with this. The onus is on the APPLICANT to provide whatever proof is necessary. The online application DOES provide the applicant with the opportunity to upload and attach documents to the application and they could have included a copy of the fees receipt for the inland sponsorship, a letter of support from their spouse, etc. The problem is that the online system is not built for every type of application and is not intuitive. That, I agree, CIC needs to improve if they expect applicants to complete the procedures themselves, especially those without the experience or ability to see beyond what is on the screen and anticipate what "could" happen or will strengthen their application. There is a place where you can attach a letter in the online system and I often create a letter with many attachments as one document to provide the proof I know they need to see. But I know to do this and lots of applicants don't. So, yes, CIC could do lots to improve the online system. However, Vegreville takes in a HUGE amount of applications. Thousands every week. We all complain about delays but if an IO has to hunt down hundreds or thousands of "connecting" applications imagine how much longer those delays are going to be? Multiply by 10 to start.

Perfect or not, this is the system we have and everyone who wants to "play" in it needs to know what they are doing. If they don't, this is what happens.
 
rjessome said:
I somewhat agree and disagree with this. The onus is on the APPLICANT to provide whatever proof is necessary. The online application DOES provide the applicant with the opportunity to upload and attach documents to the application and they could have included a copy of the fees receipt for the inland sponsorship, a letter of support from their spouse, etc. The problem is that the online system is not built for every type of application and is not intuitive. That, I agree, CIC needs to improve if they expect applicants to complete the procedures themselves, especially those without the experience or ability to see beyond what is on the screen and anticipate what "could" happen or will strengthen their application. There is a place where you can attach a letter in the online system and I often create a letter with many attachments as one document to provide the proof I know they need to see. But I know to do this and lots of applicants don't. So, yes, CIC could do lots to improve the online system. However, Vegreville takes in a HUGE amount of applications. Thousands every week. We all complain about delays but if an IO has to hunt down hundreds or thousands of "connecting" applications imagine how much longer those delays are going to be? Multiply by 10 to start.

Perfect or not, this is the system we have and everyone who wants to "play" in it needs to know what they are doing. If they don't, this is what happens.
you are right
 
when they finally get around to assessing you for first stage approval, they don't end up sending your application to your local office for processing because they think you're out of status.

is that mean, they will send my application to local office if by the time i do not have status?
 
rjessome said:
I somewhat agree and disagree with this. The onus is on the APPLICANT to provide whatever proof is necessary. The online application DOES provide the applicant with the opportunity to upload and attach documents to the application and they could have included a copy of the fees receipt for the inland sponsorship, a letter of support from their spouse, etc. The problem is that the online system is not built for every type of application and is not intuitive. That, I agree, CIC needs to improve if they expect applicants to complete the procedures themselves, especially those without the experience or ability to see beyond what is on the screen and anticipate what "could" happen or will strengthen their application. There is a place where you can attach a letter in the online system and I often create a letter with many attachments as one document to provide the proof I know they need to see. But I know to do this and lots of applicants don't. So, yes, CIC could do lots to improve the online system. However, Vegreville takes in a HUGE amount of applications. Thousands every week. We all complain about delays but if an IO has to hunt down hundreds or thousands of "connecting" applications imagine how much longer those delays are going to be? Multiply by 10 to start.

Perfect or not, this is the system we have and everyone who wants to "play" in it needs to know what they are doing. If they don't, this is what happens.
I did not realize this, having always been afraid to use the online system to apply for extensions. I preferred to put everything on paper and get confirmation of delivery, so I did not know it was possible to attach documentation to the online application. Thanks for the clarification, rjessome.
 
I did the demand to extend my visitor permit online in sept 2010 and it worked. after 60 days i received at home the extension and they gave me more than 1 year. I'm from a visitor visa exempt country(Italy). Online they requested the photo of the whole passport and proof of funds(which i provided just giving the screen photo of may bank account statement)and 75 dollars payment in the section where it was asking why you want to extend your stay as a visitor i put that i had applied as a permanent resident in july 2010 and that i didnt know my client id number but that i could give the receipt number of my paid immigration fees to be able to track my application. i explained that i had read on the internet that all inland applications take a long time to process and thats it. i said that that was the reason to want to extend my stay as a visitor and luckily for me it worked
 
i also wrote that i wanted to keep a legal status while in canada
 
RobsLuv said:
I did not realize this, having always been afraid to use the online system to apply for extensions. I preferred to put everything on paper and get confirmation of delivery, so I did not know it was possible to attach documentation to the online application. Thanks for the clarification, rjessome.

Oh I know! The online system is tricky and any applicant that doesn't feel 100% comfortable with it should do a paper application. It's easier to figure out what kind of proof they might want to see and just include a photocopy.
 
you guys think is that going to be ok if i type that for the reason of restoration of temporary resident status as a visitor:
The reason why i lost my status is because my application for a visitor Record has been refused. And I believe there are some facts that have not been considerate by the Immigration Officer. When i did my last Visitor record Application I was using the CIC Online Service and i didn't found any option to upload additional document beside Copy of Passport and Proof of means of Financial Support(as there are the only require for is application on the CIC online services). And because the mailing address of Visitor Record application is absolute same with Inland spousal sponsorship Application(both going to Vegreville, AB) so i suppose the office who is going to handle my Visitor Record Application knows my Situation. So i didn't attach any document of proof of my Inland spousal sponsorship application,nor the copy of my Visitor Record.
Now i know i made a mistake by not provide enough information to the officer,and as result i lost my status(my Visitor Record expired on Feb 28 2011 and i send my Online application for Visitor Record extendsion on Feb 10 2011,then i recived refusal letter on April 4 2011).
so i will attach all the necessary document this time and wait for a fair decision.