Visa Rejection

[Bryanna]

@Naname

So with her help we applied , and after a month of waiting we were emailed from ATIP / AIPRP (IRCC) that there was no hand written consent letter , (but it was there, we sent exactly how it was needed signed with blue ink ). . So we resent it. And got the papers, BUT these are only the papers that I submitted when I applied + refusal documentations, nothing else. I couldnt find any visa officer notes ,there are no such papers :/ .It upset me a lot , I so much wanted to understand what I did wrong that they decided I didnt satisfy them.

There are two options when ordering:
1. You can order the case notes i.e. the observations made by the visa officer when your application was assessed, or

2. You can order a copy of the entire application, including the evidence and explanations.


Your cousin made an incorrect selection when ordering

 

[Bryanna]

@Naname

1. Do post the list of documents that you will be submitting, specifically for your employment + your property, finances, etc.

2. Do you have a must-return-by-a-specific-date reason to return to Georgia after your Canada visit. For example, a trip/flight bookings to another country, a wedding in the immediate family in Georgia/Europe, work commitments, etc

3. Any other ties to Georgia? Mortgage or loans? Volunteering?

 

[iceberge]

Phew! That was hard work


IMO, this is how both your applications appeared to the visa officers:
1. Why would you spend significant money + travel to Canada for just one week? Agreed, you want to attend your cousin's wedding but you didn't prove that purpose of visit with adequate evidence.


2. Red flag #1: Your parents (especially your dad) have not applied for TRVs + they are not attending your cousin's wedding, whereas most other relatives will be attending.

Your own wedding in November is quite a few months away + your wedding preparations in India wouldn't stop your parents from taking a couple of weeks' off to attend your cousin's wedding + these days wedding preparations in India are normally managed by wedding planners.


3. All your ties to India are not strong enough to compel you to return home. For example, you can ask your employer for a transfer to a Canadian office (or maybe overstay your visit or work as a visitor which is not allowed, of course) + your finances can be accessed abroad.

Strong ties that could compel someone to return home: Property ownership + spouse and/or minor children + strong financials + established history of returning home after short visits abroad.


4. Red flag #2: Maybe the visa officers thought you have a stronger purpose of visiting Canada for business reasons than for your cousin's wedding.


5. Maybe your liquid finances were inadequate to support your visit + not an incentive for you to return to India.... which would explain the refusal reason for finances.


To answer your question:
You would need to reapply from scratch. You would want to reapply only when you have new evidence and/or explanations to prove that you have overcome the refusal reasons.

You could order the case notes to understand the observations made by the visa officers.

Applying in quick succession indicates desperation to visit + would likely make the visa officer to again question the reasons for your visit.

No, you cannot request for a personal meeting/interview with the visa officer. It does not work that way. Your paperwork needs to really solid

Wow Bryanna,
Brilliant, I am just imagining all your points. You should be a judge. I was thinking what could be reasons I found few clue, but when you answered seriously your thought surprised me. Keep it up.

 

[Naname]

@Naname



There are two options when ordering:
1. You can order the case notes i.e. the observations made by the visa officer when your application was assessed, or

2. You can order a copy of the entire application, including the evidence and explanations.


Your cousin made an incorrect selection when ordering

@Bryanna
Yes, I have checked myself yesterday , there are only two options to choose from, I guess she just made the wrong choice by mistake :/ .
And I was so much looking forward to it.
You also think its a waste of time to reapply without knowing the reasons ? I think it is, especially after first refusal . Does it seem that I want to use event to get there ? They are there for 10 years already, and its the first time I applied .I love visiting new countries, Its just , I know its difficult to visit Canada esp when no family and kids, and its not that close as Europe, and u need around 4 days of ur vacation on the way , so I didnt think of it seriously. But now I have a serious reason, to enjoy beautiful wedding and visit and see the country . I even made a list of what I want to see there, and attached it too .

Yes I submitted , paper from my work place with salary and that they give me 2 week vacation . Also I attached my flat property paper , I bought it 2 years ago .My 4 months bank statements.

No wedding or events so far . Well I am planning to go to Italy , but not sure cause maybe from work I will need to go to Portugal, not planned anything yet. Maybe its a good idea and I should plan the rest of the year and attach those bookings too. Or plan my own wedding

Hmm ties I feel free, comfortable here ,doing what I love , travelling, I have tons of travel photos .
. One cant do much staying illegally in Canada its like being trapped , why VO thinks that all want to stay that way:/
, no, no mortgage , no loans.

I am tutoring As Well privately. But I didnt mention it cause I have no prove via bank.
Maybe my cousin also needs to mention that she guarantees my return , are there any procedures for it?, she sent such letter to the consulate asking for the refusal reasons but they said nothing much. When she called them they said ,maybe she needs to put a money deposit kinda as guarantee that I will return :/ Is it a common practice ?
?
Also sometimes consulates when giving visas to applicant ask them to come to the consulate when they come back . Does it work the same way for Canada I wonder , I would go there the next day after my return to prove them that I am back .

 

[Naname]

Wow Bryanna,
Brilliant, I am just imagining all your points. You should be a judge. I was thinking what could be reasons I found few clue, but when you answered seriously your thought surprised me. Keep it up.

Yes absolutely, usually I also try to find clues , but when she answers , its always so interesting. She is AMAZING.

 

[Bryanna]

Wow Bryanna,
Brilliant, I am just imagining all your points. You should be a judge. I was thinking what could be reasons I found few clue, but when you answered seriously your thought surprised me. Keep it up.

LOL. Career alternatives

You're pretty good too at analyzing situations. Please feel free to chime in and give your suggestions

 

[Bryanna]

@Bryanna
Yes, I have checked myself yesterday , there are only two options to choose from, I guess she just made the wrong choice by mistake :/ .
And I was so much looking forward to it.
You also think its a waste of time to reapply without knowing the reasons ?

No, it's not a waste to reapply without the case notes. You'll just need to prepare more solid paperwork and give it your best shot. IMO, you do have a pretty good chance of a TRV approval.

But now I have a serious reason, to enjoy beautiful wedding and visit and see the country . I even made a list of what I want to see there, and attached it too .

Do prepare a detailed day-by-day plan for your visit with expense estimates for sightseeing, the wedding, meeting family/friends, activities, etc. Your finances must be able to pay for this visit plan + airfare + hotel (if required), etc.

Yes I submitted , paper from my work place with salary and that they give me 2 week vacation .

For your employment:
Employment letter + leave approval stating you will have your job when you return + 3-4 pay stubs/salary statement + bank statement where your salary is credited + tax returns.

Evidence of 1-2 work commitments that only you can do = You must return for these work commitments.


[quoteAlso I attached my flat property paper , I bought it 2 years ago .My 4 months bank statements.[/quote]
Do include property tax/council tax receipts + recent utility bill + property valuation either by yourself or a property assessor + any excerpts from property portals/realty reports to support the valuation.

State both the property purchase price + current indicative market price in the cover letter.

If your purchased your property without mortgaging it then highlight this fact as it indicates a strong financial situation.

Do include any financial investments (bank term deposits, shares/stocks, jewelry as an investment, pension funds, etc).

All amounts (throughout the application) must be in both CAD/Local currency. Also, documents must be in English or translated into English by a certified translator.

No wedding or events so far . Well I am planning to go to Italy , but not sure cause maybe from work I will need to go to Portugal, not planned anything yet. Maybe its a good idea and I should plan the rest of the year and attach those bookings too. Or plan my own wedding

Do think of some concrete other reasons to return home.... with evidence.

Maybe my cousin also needs to mention that she guarantees my return , are there any procedures for it?, she sent such letter to the consulate asking for the refusal reasons but they said nothing much.

Unfortunately, such guarantees/assurances cannot help a visa application because it cannot be enforced.

What would work is if you can prove you have multiple reasons to return to Georgia.

When she called them they said ,maybe she needs to put a money deposit kinda as guarantee that I will return :/ Is it a common practice ?
?

They were joking. There's no practice/visitor bond.

Also sometimes consulates when giving visas to applicant ask them to come to the consulate when they come back . Does it work the same way for Canada I wonder , I would go there the next day after my return to prove them that I am back .

IRCC will take your visa paperwork as an assurance that you will leave Canada.


Other suggestions:
1. Do prepare a cover letter with separate sections for Applicant/Host details + Purpose of visit (in 2-3 lines and reference the detailed visit plan) + Funds for your visit (reference relevant documents) + Your strong ties to Georgia (Employment, property ownership, family ties especially if they are dependent on you financially or for their well-being, financial investments, etc) + Travel History (in a tabular format, state visa details + entry/exit dates for each visit + purpose of each visit + scan any valid visas to major countries) + Why you must return to Georgia by XX date (reference the evidence).

No long sentences, all facts in short point format, formal tone

 

[itikaul]

Worth it, I'm guessing!

I appreciate all the help here, just like to clarify few things though :

1. Why would you spend significant money + travel to Canada for just one week? Agreed, you want to attend your cousin's wedding but you didn't prove that purpose of visit with adequate evidence.
- I'm traveling for a week because I have important meetings lined up at that time and the leave is just a quick visit only for the weeding. Also because yes I cab afford to do that. I'd submitted the wedding invite plus a Canadian citizen invitation which states residence and their tax proofs et all. I thought that should do since it worked for others in my family, but I'll be careful and try and provide my rest of year plans as well next time.

2. Red flag #1: Your parents (especially your dad) have not applied for TRVs + they are not attending your cousin's wedding, whereas most other relatives will be attending.

Your own wedding in November is quite a few months away + your wedding preparations in India wouldn't stop your parents from taking a couple of weeks' off to attend your cousin's wedding + these days wedding preparations in India are normally managed by wedding planners.
- No ! Trust me Indian parents donot take a couple of weeks off from their children's wedding. And also No, wedding planners are yet not a big thing in India.

3. All your ties to India are not strong enough to compel you to return home. For example, you can ask your employer for a transfer to a Canadian office (or maybe overstay your visit or work as a visitor which is not allowed, of course) + your finances can be accessed abroad.


Strong ties that could compel someone to return home: Property ownership + spouse and/or minor children + strong financials + established history of returning home after short visits abroad.
- sure. But since it's presumptuous is there any assured document that can convince VO that I will be returning from Canada?

4. Red flag #2: Maybe the visa officers thought you have a stronger purpose of visiting Canada for business reasons than for your cousin's wedding.
- I'm guessing point 3 will fix this.

5. Maybe your liquid finances were inadequate to support your visit + not an incentive for you to return to India.... which would explain the refusal reason for finances.
- is there a minimum amount because I'm pretty sure my account was funded enough by my understanding and especially when it was a week long visit.

To answer your question:
You would need to reapply from scratch. You would want to reapply only when you have new evidence and/or explanations to prove that you have overcome the refusal reasons.

You could order the case notes to understand the observations made by the visa officers.

Applying in quick succession indicates desperation to visit + would likely make the visa officer to again question the reasons for your visit.

No, you cannot request for a personal meeting/interview with the visa officer. It does not work that way. Your paperwork needs to really solid[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot. Will keep these in mind when I apply again.

 

[Naname]

No, it's not a waste to reapply without the case notes. You'll just need to prepare more solid paperwork and give it your best shot. IMO, you do have a pretty good chance of a TRV approval.



Do prepare a detailed day-by-day plan for your visit with expense estimates for sightseeing, the wedding, meeting family/friends, activities, etc. Your finances must be able to pay for this visit plan + airfare + hotel (if required), etc.


For your employment:
Employment letter + leave approval stating you will have your job when you return + 3-4 pay stubs/salary statement + bank statement where your salary is credited + tax returns.

Evidence of 1-2 work commitments that only you can do = You must return for these work commitments.


[quoteAlso I attached my flat property paper , I bought it 2 years ago .My 4 months bank statements.

Do include property tax/council tax receipts + recent utility bill + property valuation either by yourself or a property assessor + any excerpts from property portals/realty reports to support the valuation.

State both the property purchase price + current indicative market price in the cover letter.

If your purchased your property without mortgaging it then highlight this fact as it indicates a strong financial situation.

Do include any financial investments (bank term deposits, shares/stocks, jewelry as an investment, pension funds, etc).

All amounts (throughout the application) must be in both CAD/Local currency. Also, documents must be in English or translated into English by a certified translator.

No long sentences, all facts in short point format, formal tone[/QUOTE]


@Bryanna
thanks a lot for your such detailed answer. I will try to do my best, Im kinda ready to give up ,and on the other hand want to prove that its a genuine reason, I really want to attend the wedding and put one more country on my list.

Yes I had a paper from the bank all was in English , real estate documentation too was translated by notary. All the paper attached were in English.

And so many things are different here. Like for example we dont have tax receipts. Here you get your fixed net salary( thats whats left after they take away tax) on a bank account once a month. And that paper I had from the bank. Also there was a paper from work stating the amount and my vacation dates.
We dont have those tax returns at all.
We dont have real estate tax.
We dont have pension funds .:/
So *a little* difficult to get such papers :/

As for day by day plan.
You mean smth like this ? Couldnt copy excel here, and it doesnt look good.

Date Place cost
20.09 rest
21.09 rest
22.09 enjoyin time together
23.09 Cousins birthday
24.09 High park Toronto , zoo 125 y anniv,lake front free
25.09 Be a Farmer for a day 25 Sep,freshcityfarms volunteer free
26.09 CN Tower city pass
27.09 Aquarium city pass
28.09 Wedding day
29.09 Royal Ontario Museum, Casa Loma, Science center city pass
30.09 Niagara falls tour nature, butterlies and floral garden 65 cad
30.09 Botanical garden, theme gardens free
1.1 Distillery district and bata museum 14 cad
2.1 McMichael’s art collection 18 cad
3.1 Shopping
4.1 Leaving for the airport

Note* City pass 69 us - included - CN, Casa loma ,Royal Mus, Aquarium, Science center


As for travels last ten years , I had it in pdf excel file. Thought It would be easier for them to understand that I travel a little.


country city purpose of visit - I had it stated too, but without purpose of visit , its half work/ half vacation, i will edit it and will add the details that u suggested.

Turkey Trabzon
Armenia Erevan,Sevan , Tsahkadzor
Armenia Erevan
Israel Jerusalem
Latvia Riga
France Paris
Germany, Luxembourg Treir ,Luxembourg
Latvia,Czech Republic,Germany Riga,Prague, Dresden
Greece Athens, Hydra, Poros, Aegina
Belgium, Netherlands Brussels, Amsterdam
Poland Warsaw, Krakow
Spain, Andorra Barcelona, Andorra la Vella
Bulgaria, Greece Bansko , Thessaloniki
Hungary Budapest
United Kingdom London
The Netherlands Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Lisse
Greece Halkidiki
Israel Jerusalem, Tel aviv
Greece Creete Island, Santorini

I will try to take into consideration all your suggestions and details, already copied , will go through each of it.

@Bryanna
Thank you so much once again for being so helpful. Its really, really appreciated.