URGENT DECISION IS MADE after the officer threat me anyone can help me please

[papirico]

From what I'm reading, you shouldn't use the phrase "after the officer threat me". The English word "threat" has a strong meaning which is not what happened here. He did not threat you at all, just told you the outcome of the interview.
How about your wife and her children move to be with you there?, they could even move while you appeal the decision.

 

[Milance]

Dear freeislam000

4) Seasoning the applications with 10 or 5 even 20 pages of a written document which will explain more what the forms cannot. By seasoning I meant that make your applications interested and captivating for the person who will work on your files.

I don't think you need to season with 5-20 pages of information that might not be asked. I wrote a page long letter to sum up how we met and how we progressed and briefly future plans. What concern is it of theirs how we are supposed to live our lives in marriage. To me thats overkill writing that much and makes someone seem desperate. There is a difference between proof of relationship and trying to prove your not a lier. I have heard of similar cases where decision is made before they even show up. i think it was the VO in vienna and the person wasn't even given a chance to explain. no one can guarentee anything but if you show solid evidence there is no need to butter up your case with 20 pages. the old saying the more you talk the more trouble you get into.

 

[Milance]

I also forgot to mention a few reasons people do get rejected is difference in age and religion. I don't agree with it but those are things they look at. Even though your wife converted they don't look at it that way, doesn't matter what religion you are. It even asks on the forms what religion are you and your sponsor. They also look to see if your from the same heritage and cultural backround, what languages you speak and in what language you communicate. It is very frustrating when you hear about cases like this especially since you've been together for so long and your wife has come to see you that many times. I'm curious when it comes to an appeal which VO or where does the appeal take place. Is it in canada or the original VO. I wish you all the best and don't give up. Be positive.

 

[sakamath]

I don't think you need to season with 5-20 pages of information that might not be asked...

I think it becomes necessary when there are red flags all around. In this particular case, given the cultural background, a male is marrying a Canadian Citizen/PR who is 8 years older to him. Hence the burden pf proof shifts on him to prove that its a genuine relationship. We do not know if just a marriage certificate was provided as proof or a great deal more than that. Details of how they met, how long they waited before marriage, interactions among themselves as well as between them and their respective families, details of how their child was reared and how the other children were reared...etc would have all helped in the case.

 

[CdnandTrini]

Maybe, but that doesnt mean it is not legitimate. My wife is 8 years older than me... and has 2 kids (divorced). We have been together 4 years and married almost 2. She has been to Egypt to be with me 3 times now and her youngest son twice. We talk every day ... day and night... we were married in Cairo... rented a Yacht and floated down the Nile with Family and friends. Ours should be a happy love story.. with a different ending

Agreed and think positively that it will have a different ending. Did you get the VO's ID number? I still think you need to file a complaint re: his behaviour. I have read on some of the appeal cases that the judge asks denied applicants "why didn't you complain?" and when people do document a complaint, that can strengthen their case. People (even IOs) can still do their jobs fairly, kindly and with a modicum of respect, no matter what the outcome.

 

[sakamath]

Depending on the cultural background, HE moving in to live with HER in Canada may raise a red flag. SHE moving in to live with HIM in Canada may not raise a red flag...

 

[CdnandTrini]

I am in similar situation , I am 8 years older than my husband . We sent proof of our relationship through letters of support from his side and mine, photos of our times together , marriage photos , hotel receipts from various places , airline tickets and phone call records and chat logs. I'm not sure there is anything else to send ? I hope this is enough , now after reading your posts I'm very worried they just requested the passport 2 days ago ... Does anybody think that's sufficient?

I am sure you will be fine, especially with a lot of the proof you described above. It is common for the NDVO to request passports sooner in the process than most other VOs. Here is the link for the 2013 New Delhi thread below, have a read, there is also a 2012 applicant thread and I am sure you will find more specific answers there. Be careful not to focus on the negative aspects of other people's experiences, it will only add more stress and end up not being productive. Blessings.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-delhi-2013-applicants-t132103.0.html

 

[user828]

[Humour] - If there are red flags to marry older women, there goes my dream to grab rich old heiress [/Humour]

 

[user828]

Like FB I wish there were "like" tags and as for wealthy heiresses LOL aren't most people in Canada and USA considered to be wealthy compared to most nations? As for me, even my mama and 5 year old came for wedding ! Surely they don't think I'm that cruel to include my innocent child in a farce??? Anyhow thank you for the confidence booster ... I was just making phone calls , planning for worst case senario - leaving my job and up rooting my child to be with my husband if an appeal is nessesary :S

Well, story is different in reality - plus the foreign option is so exciting ;D

The Heiress here would be a Million$ Debt whereas elsewhere it's all hard cash

 

[FireStarteR2]

Let's try to stick to the topic here...

Older woman red flag. Woman married before and divorced red flag. Woman has kids with other man red flag. Woman was different religion before meeting you red flag. You were not content with her religion and suggested she converts to Islam red red flag.

He was rude, no question about this, but I am sorry to say you had the refusal coming to you all along. In your specific case I believe you should have talked to a lawyer before submitting the application considering the complexity of the file.

In no case should you judge the VO officer in your appeal, in no case should you mention that you were badly treated, threatened or anything related to racism.

While it seems like a good idea to make your case on that, it is a terrible idea. Think about it, the VO officer represents the VO and Canada. So your appeal would be that Canada hires racists and is incompetent in it's officer selection? No, don't do that. While you may be right, this sort of complaining is done after your appeal has been successful.

If you ask me, your appeal should be focused on how you did not realize the complexity of the file. You thought it is very obvious that your relationship is genuine, but did not realize that it might be hard for others to see that. Because of that, you did not provide enough proof because you thought your case is simple, and that was an error in your part. Prepare more proof for your appeal, and you shall win.

While to you it may seem your relationship is genuine and there is no problem, as a general rule, the level of complexity in your file raises a lot of questions. For example, you said your wife was christian, and she divorced. Then you converted her into a Muslim, but you know very well that for muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner? I might be as rude as that officer in asking you such questions, but expect the appeal board to ask themselves that question. You need to give them answers before they ask these questions.

 

[micmac101]

Salam Brother,

I at the first said to you he was raciest and I still believe this to be the case. In any other part of Canada it is a bad thing to ask the religion back ground. But anyway I've read others comment and I believe they are right to say APPEAL. Then after you are settled you can think if you want to press charges but first thing is do the Appeal then you can decide later about the next step.

I had put a New Thread about what to do and not do during an Interview to bad you haven't read it I know its new and I might have put it on the Forum after reading your case or before, really though, its all common sense if they call for an interview it should be a warning sign for anyone that something they see that is putting a Red Flag. Best thing is give them all the proof and by all means send all documents that you have. But anyway its late for that to happen now for you after the fact so do the Appeal.

Now that I have read other member notes and their ability to show the proof that their marriage was Genuine I'm happy that we had send in all documents along with written letters from family members and friends along with my children writing Immigration.

I had converted to Islam in 2006 and was in the process of divorcing my 1st husband of 30years before I met my second husband. But since I had converted like 5 years before even knowing my 2nd husband and we married like about 25 days after I was divorced, all those documents about the divorce was sent so they knew that it was not because I had converted to Islam but others reasons that I divorced my 1st husband it was that after all that time we grew not to love each other so we parted.

I met my second husband through brothers who had been teaching me Islam over the years. In fact I visited Pakistan a year before I met my second husband to see exactly how Muslims lived because at that time I knew of no Muslims in my area its such a small community.

So when I married it was the brothers who looked for a partner for me to marry. I wasn't interested at first but after I met this man who was introduced by one of his students who had been teaching me since 2006 was applying for the UK to go to University. He wanted me to still learn so he introduced me to his teacher who at the time was much younger then me. By 18 years I might add and anyway his Mom and I fell in love with each other over the fact that I had converted to Islam and the fact that her son and I were getting married. She said I have enough grand children lol.

All this was written to CHC but what put us in the interview list was a photo I sent of our Marriage. It just so happened a guest who attended, well CHC Islamabad already knew that this person had ties with not so good groups in Pakistan to which I had no idea. It was only after we were married that I came to know this and even then I stopped him from telling me anything as I really did not want to know.

I felt that the less I knew the safer I would be which I was told by the CSIS in Canada was a good thing that I had done this. So my husband first interview was about more about security and the photo that I had submitted to CHC. Even he wasn't aware about this friends back ground, has he had not met him only on the phone as this person was checking his my husbands back ground to make sure he was a good pious Muslim and I'm happy to say he is. That 1 photo brought on the first interview.

And the second interview was because of the age difference. Both times for the interview I was there in Pakistan.

Which I'm also happy to say it was a good interview as well and that Visa Officer offered info on keeping me well because a large surgery on my foot that I had in 2011 had taken a toll on my health.

I had a work accident and because of this I was totally disable and could barely walk. I had my surgery in 2011 and I had the accident in 2009 a few months before we married. So my husband said come here to Pakistan and I came and his whole family took it upon themselves to take care of me after my surgery, while he worked the days and after his work he would come home and take care of me.

In April 2012 I was told I could never do the job I had been doing for 26years which was an Upholster which is recovering furniture. I had been working at a hospital were there are handicap people, and I loved my job.

I had a major depression so I came back to Pakistan and were hoping In Sha Allah we will be going back to Canada soon In Sha Allah.

I can tell you now that had I known it was going to take this long 32 months now for our case I would have moved here instead.

Its not the country that makes a marriage its what you do to make the marriage be healthy and happy. If I had to do this over again I would have moved here and not go through all this. But I pray that soon it will be over In Sha Allah.

Oh yes that Visa Officer said to my husband WELCOME TO NEW BRUNSWICK I LOVE NEW BRUNSWICK. She said it twice and then said it may take a while before they are done with the back ground check so I hope and pray that all this will be done soon In Sha Allah. Only Allah knows what is better.

I know its a long story but it will give you an idea how all the documents we gave helped us but their were flags so don't give up hope or faith in Allah because HE knows better In Sha Allah.

 

[CdnandTrini]

Let's try to stick to the topic here...

Older woman red flag. Woman married before and divorced red flag. Woman has kids with other man red flag. Woman was different religion before meeting you red flag. You were not content with her religion and suggested she converts to Islam red red flag.

He was rude, no question about this, but I am sorry to say you had the refusal coming to you all along. In your specific case I believe you should have talked to a lawyer before submitting the application considering the complexity of the file.

In no case should you judge the VO officer in your appeal, in no case should you mention that you were badly treated, threatened or anything related to racism.

While it seems like a good idea to make your case on that, it is a terrible idea. Think about it, the VO officer represents the VO and Canada. So your appeal would be that Canada hires racists and is incompetent in it's officer selection? No, don't do that. While you may be right, this sort of complaining is done after your appeal has been successful.

If you ask me, your appeal should be focused on how you did not realize the complexity of the file. You thought it is very obvious that your relationship is genuine, but did not realize that it might be hard for others to see that. Because of that, you did not provide enough proof because you thought your case is simple, and that was an error in your part. Prepare more proof for your appeal, and you shall win.

While to you it may seem your relationship is genuine and there is no problem, as a general rule, the level of complexity in your file raises a lot of questions. For example, you said your wife was christian, and she divorced. Then you converted her into a Muslim, but you know very well that for muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner? I might be as rude as that officer in asking you such questions, but expect the appeal board to ask themselves that question. You need to give them answers before they ask these questions.

Wow. You seem very confident of your opinion on all of these "red flags" in addition to making some broad assumptions about the poster's file. Are you suggesting that all couples need to be the same age, the same religion, never divorced and no previous children in order to "not have their refusal coming to them"?

Curious as to where exactly you have you gathered your information from? And yes, your response as you have laid it out, does seem rude and very judgemental. I suggest if you want to advise people to stick to the topic that you may want to stick to the facts and even include some of those in your future responses. If people do not speak out about the poor treatment they receive then the cycle continues for everyone else. FYI the prior advice was not to "base" the appeal on the unacceptable treatment by an IO, it was to include it as one part of the due diligence process the applicant conducts along the way to the appeal. Based on actual facts from actual previous cases available to the public on Canlii. You may want to read some of those.

 

[FireStarteR2]

Are you suggesting to me an argumentum ad ignorantiam? Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence. Don't be a fool.

I am sticking to serious facts. This forum is based on opinion, and no one here provides references. Of course I believe everyone should, but I will not go through the effort because indeed it is time consuming.

I have made a list of red flags in my post, and they are all based on individual cases. Some are even discussed in details on this very forum. The red flags I mentioned, despite being documented also make logical sense.

Are you suggesting that all couples need to be the same age, the same religion, never divorced and no previous children in order to "not have their refusal coming to them

Now you are engaging in an Reductio ad absurdum. Could you be less childish please? It is very obvious that is not what I suggested. What I suggested, is that people who have an accumulation of red flags indeed have a refusal coming to them. It makes perfect logical sense. I further suggested to such cases to provide extensive evidence to counter any suspicion the VO might have.

FYI the prior advice was not to "base" the appeal on the unacceptable treatment by an IO, it was to include it as one part of the due diligence process the applicant conducts along the way to the appeal.

I was not commenting on prior advice. My advice was directly related at the OPs thread, ignoring what others have said. I don't care for empathy I am merely trying to help a muslim out.

 

[micmac101]

Are you suggesting to me an argumentum ad ignorantiam? Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence. Don't be a fool.

I am sticking to serious facts. This forum is based on opinion, and no one here provides references. Of course I believe everyone should, but I will not go through the effort because indeed it is time consuming.

I have made a list of red flags in my post, and they are all based on individual cases. Some are even discussed in details on this very forum. The red flags I mentioned, despite being documented also make logical sense.
Now you are engaging in an Reductio ad absurdum. Could you be less childish please? It is very obvious that is not what I suggested. What I suggested, is that people who have an accumulation of red flags indeed have a refusal coming to them. It makes perfect logical sense. I further suggested to such cases to provide extensive evidence to counter any suspicion the VO might have.
I was not commenting on prior advice. My advice was directly related at the OPs thread, ignoring what others have said. I don't care for empathy I am merely trying to help a muslim out.

I think what you said was just that common sense. As its posted so many times here that if you are being called for an Interview its best to send more proof to get out of this Interview. Cause sometimes you put your foot in your mouth trying to act like you know it all when in fact you stopped reading between the lines. Its always good to post before then you know what your up against at the start rather the end.

Your post was clear and a benefit to this member on the forum cause we really at times don`t know what can happen there so its always good to find out beforehand.....

 

[CdnandTrini]

Are you suggesting to me an argumentum ad ignorantiam? Absence of evidence is not evidence for absence. Don't be a fool.

I am sticking to serious facts. This forum is based on opinion, and no one here provides references. Of course I believe everyone should, but I will not go through the effort because indeed it is time consuming.

I have made a list of red flags in my post, and they are all based on individual cases. Some are even discussed in details on this very forum. The red flags I mentioned, despite being documented also make logical sense.
Now you are engaging in an Reductio ad absurdum. Could you be less childish please? It is very obvious that is not what I suggested. What I suggested, is that people who have an accumulation of red flags indeed have a refusal coming to them. It makes perfect logical sense. I further suggested to such cases to provide extensive evidence to counter any suspicion the VO might have.
I was not commenting on prior advice. My advice was directly related at the OPs thread, ignoring what others have said. I don't care for empathy I am merely trying to help a muslim out.

Hmmmm......"it's the hit dog that howls". Your poor spouse