URGENT DECISION IS MADE after the officer threat me anyone can help me please

[freeislam000]

Agreed and think positively that it will have a different ending. Did you get the VO's ID number? I still think you need to file a complaint re: his behaviour. I have read on some of the appeal cases that the judge asks denied applicants "why didn't you complain?" and when people do document a complaint, that can strengthen their case. People (even IOs) can still do their jobs fairly, kindly and with a modicum of respect, no matter what the outcome.

We both complained ... I am the wife for freeislam and I have sent at least 5 emails, and am now meeting with a consultant to be ready for appeal

 

[freeislam000]

Let's try to stick to the topic here...

Older woman red flag. Woman married before and divorced red flag. Woman has kids with other man red flag. Woman was different religion before meeting you red flag. You were not content with her religion and suggested she converts to Islam red red flag.

He was rude, no question about this, but I am sorry to say you had the refusal coming to you all along. In your specific case I believe you should have talked to a lawyer before submitting the application considering the complexity of the file.

In no case should you judge the VO officer in your appeal, in no case should you mention that you were badly treated, threatened or anything related to racism.

While it seems like a good idea to make your case on that, it is a terrible idea. Think about it, the VO officer represents the VO and Canada. So your appeal would be that Canada hires racists and is incompetent in it's officer selection? No, don't do that. While you may be right, this sort of complaining is done after your appeal has been successful.

If you ask me, your appeal should be focused on how you did not realize the complexity of the file. You thought it is very obvious that your relationship is genuine, but did not realize that it might be hard for others to see that. Because of that, you did not provide enough proof because you thought your case is simple, and that was an error in your part. Prepare more proof for your appeal, and you shall win.

While to you it may seem your relationship is genuine and there is no problem, as a general rule, the level of complexity in your file raises a lot of questions. For example, you said your wife was christian, and she divorced. Then you converted her into a Muslim, but you know very well that for Muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner? I might be as rude as that officer in asking you such questions, but expect the appeal board to ask themselves that question. You need to give them answers before they ask these questions.

This is freeislam's wife... let us be very clear here....
First... I have been single since 2006... yes divorced and with 2 kids.... red flag... whatever.... and yes I am older by age... not by personality ....we are a perfect compliment to each other he being very serious and me being funny. I have been reading about Islam long before I met my husband and it was because I knew I would be Muslim sooner or later that I looked to meet a MUSLIM man...My husband met me as a Christian... that was not a problem and as you may or may not know it is perfectly acceptable for a Muslim man to marry a christian or Jew so no need at all for conversion. My husband did not FORCE me into Islam....and I choose to convert only after marriage because I wanted to do it in a beautiful Masjid on Egyptian Soil with my husband beside me... We have no intentions of divorce.... we have faith in Allah. This is just a bump in the road... and this will only make us stronger.... together forever whether Egyptian soil or Canadian.

 

[freeislam000]

Salam Brother,

I at the first said to you he was raciest and I still believe this to be the case. In any other part of Canada it is a bad thing to ask the religion back ground. But anyway I've read others comment and I believe they are right to say APPEAL. Then after you are settled you can think if you want to press charges but first thing is do the Appeal then you can decide later about the next step.

I had put a New Thread about what to do and not do during an Interview to bad you haven't read it I know its new and I might have put it on the Forum after reading your case or before, really though, its all common sense if they call for an interview it should be a warning sign for anyone that something they see that is putting a Red Flag. Best thing is give them all the proof and by all means send all documents that you have. But anyway its late for that to happen now for you after the fact so do the Appeal.

Now that I have read other member notes and their ability to show the proof that their marriage was Genuine I'm happy that we had send in all documents along with written letters from family members and friends along with my children writing Immigration.

I had converted to Islam in 2006 and was in the process of divorcing my 1st husband of 30years before I met my second husband. But since I had converted like 5 years before even knowing my 2nd husband and we married like about 25 days after I was divorced, all those documents about the divorce was sent so they knew that it was not because I had converted to Islam but others reasons that I divorced my 1st husband it was that after all that time we grew not to love each other so we parted.

I met my second husband through brothers who had been teaching me Islam over the years. In fact I visited Pakistan a year before I met my second husband to see exactly how Muslims lived because at that time I knew of no Muslims in my area its such a small community.

So when I married it was the brothers who looked for a partner for me to marry. I wasn't interested at first but after I met this man who was introduced by one of his students who had been teaching me since 2006 was applying for the UK to go to University. He wanted me to still learn so he introduced me to his teacher who at the time was much younger then me. By 18 years I might add and anyway his Mom and I fell in love with each other over the fact that I had converted to Islam and the fact that her son and I were getting married. She said I have enough grand children lol.

All this was written to CHC but what put us in the interview list was a photo I sent of our Marriage. It just so happened a guest who attended, well CHC Islamabad already knew that this person had ties with not so good groups in Pakistan to which I had no idea. It was only after we were married that I came to know this and even then I stopped him from telling me anything as I really did not want to know.

I felt that the less I knew the safer I would be which I was told by the CSIS in Canada was a good thing that I had done this. So my husband first interview was about more about security and the photo that I had submitted to CHC. Even he wasn't aware about this friends back ground, has he had not met him only on the phone as this person was checking his my husbands back ground to make sure he was a good pious Muslim and I'm happy to say he is. That 1 photo brought on the first interview.

And the second interview was because of the age difference. Both times for the interview I was there in Pakistan.

Which I'm also happy to say it was a good interview as well and that Visa Officer offered info on keeping me well because a large surgery on my foot that I had in 2011 had taken a toll on my health.

I had a work accident and because of this I was totally disable and could barely walk. I had my surgery in 2011 and I had the accident in 2009 a few months before we married. So my husband said come here to Pakistan and I came and his whole family took it upon themselves to take care of me after my surgery, while he worked the days and after his work he would come home and take care of me.

In April 2012 I was told I could never do the job I had been doing for 26years which was an Upholster which is recovering furniture. I had been working at a hospital were there are handicap people, and I loved my job.

I had a major depression so I came back to Pakistan and were hoping In Sha Allah we will be going back to Canada soon In Sha Allah.

I can tell you now that had I known it was going to take this long 32 months now for our case I would have moved here instead.

Its not the country that makes a marriage its what you do to make the marriage be healthy and happy. If I had to do this over again I would have moved here and not go through all this. But I pray that soon it will be over In Sha Allah.

Oh yes that Visa Officer said to my husband WELCOME TO NEW BRUNSWICK I LOVE NEW BRUNSWICK. She said it twice and then said it may take a while before they are done with the back ground check so I hope and pray that all this will be done soon In Sha Allah. Only Allah knows what is better.

I know its a long story but it will give you an idea how all the documents we gave helped us but their were flags so don't give up hope or faith in Allah because HE knows better In Sha Allah.

Thank you for sharing your story

 

[CdnandTrini]

We both complained ... I am the wife for freeislam and I have sent at least 5 emails, and am now meeting with a consultant to be ready for appeal

Good! Stay positive and try to avoid the negative and unhelpful posts. Will pray for you both. Blessings.

 

[freeislam000]

Good! Stay positive and try to avoid the negative and unhelpful posts. Will pray for you both. Blessings.

Thank you so much .... Inshaallah it will all work out in the end.... (hopefully in a timely fashion!!!)
Thanks for the support, it really does help to lift the spirit

 

[Mrs Selim]

my husband was also rejected today may 26 same man that racist person ..

 

[CanadianJeepGuy]

Genetically there is only one race.....the human one.

I commented in another thread that a Muslim marriage between an older woman and younger man would be a red flag and got blasted for it.

I think the important thing is for applicants who have similar relationships to be aware that this bias exists right or wrong and prepare their applications accordingly.

 

[YYZguy416]

"...but you know very well that for muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner?"

No, it is NOT haram (forbidden) for Muslims to divorce. Please, get your facts right.

And as his wife mentioned, she was not forced to convert; she converted by her own will. So, there is no need to make unnecessary (and wrong) assumptions.

Let's try to stick to the topic here...

Older woman red flag. Woman married before and divorced red flag. Woman has kids with other man red flag. Woman was different religion before meeting you red flag. You were not content with her religion and suggested she converts to Islam red red flag.

He was rude, no question about this, but I am sorry to say you had the refusal coming to you all along. In your specific case I believe you should have talked to a lawyer before submitting the application considering the complexity of the file.

In no case should you judge the VO officer in your appeal, in no case should you mention that you were badly treated, threatened or anything related to racism.

While it seems like a good idea to make your case on that, it is a terrible idea. Think about it, the VO officer represents the VO and Canada. So your appeal would be that Canada hires racists and is incompetent in it's officer selection? No, don't do that. While you may be right, this sort of complaining is done after your appeal has been successful.

If you ask me, your appeal should be focused on how you did not realize the complexity of the file. You thought it is very obvious that your relationship is genuine, but did not realize that it might be hard for others to see that. Because of that, you did not provide enough proof because you thought your case is simple, and that was an error in your part. Prepare more proof for your appeal, and you shall win.

While to you it may seem your relationship is genuine and there is no problem, as a general rule, the level of complexity in your file raises a lot of questions. For example, you said your wife was christian, and she divorced. Then you converted her into a Muslim, but you know very well that for muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner? I might be as rude as that officer in asking you such questions, but expect the appeal board to ask themselves that question. You need to give them answers before they ask these questions.

 

[Mrs Selim]

My husband is much younger then me and he got rejected a visa today because im older and not muslim and he told him he is using me as a bridge to go too Canada ,well my husband has a good life in Egypt his family is welloff so there is no reason for him to leave other then to be with me and my son..i have elderly parents and the need me here..my husband allways ask me to move to egypt but i want try first to see if the will give him visa..

 

[user828]

My husband is much younger then me and he got rejected a visa today because im older and not muslim and he told him he is using me as a bridge to go too Canada ,well my husband has a good life in Egypt his family is welloff so there is no reason for him to leave other then to be with me and my son..i have elderly parents and the need me here..my husband allways ask me to move to egypt but i want try first to see if the will give him visa..

..sorry to hear that, I guess they need to be told that older women/younger men can have a healthy stable relationship like any other and love is blind. I guess for immigration, you need to plan your love too - what a disgrace
I hope you win the appeal

 

[scos]

First... I have been single since 2006... yes divorced and with 2 kids.... red flag... whatever....

Red flag, whatever? YOU may think these ideas are wrong, trivial, or "whatever" but CIC doesn't. If you want your appeal to be successful you better seriously address them. And you don't do that by accusing CIC of being racist. You calmly provide reasons why each red flag isn't a red flag in your case.

And I think you would be more successful by being less confrontational. You might say the interviewer wasn't giving you time to answer properly. Or that maybe you weren't understanding the intent behind the questions. But to jump right to a racism argument I don't think will he helpful. You know how often they probably hear that one?

 

[freeislam000]

"...but you know very well that for muslims it is haram to divorce, so why did you convert her into a religion where she is a sinner?"

No, it is NOT haram (forbidden) for Muslims to divorce. Please, get your facts right.

And as his wife mentioned, she was not forced to convert; she converted by her own will. So, there is no need to make unnecessary (and wrong) assumptions.

Thank you for the support Mr. YYZguy!

 

[freeislam000]

Red flag, whatever? YOU may think these ideas are wrong, trivial, or "whatever" but CIC doesn't. If you want your appeal to be successful you better seriously address them. And you don't do that by accusing CIC of being racist. You calmly provide reasons why each red flag isn't a red flag in your case.

And I think you would be more successful by being less confrontational. You might say the interviewer wasn't giving you time to answer properly. Or that maybe you weren't understanding the intent behind the questions. But to jump right to a racism argument I don't think will he helpful. You know how often they probably hear that one?

Yes, whatever... in this day and age almost everyone is divorced and remarried... and if I was fortunate enough to be present for the interview, I would have addressed these ... flags....unfortunately they interviewed my husband and didnt give him any chance to speak.....bottom line, the VO is jaded and discriminating....go and see the cairo visa office page and look at how many ppl are rejected every sunday and how allllllll the basis of his interview are on age and religion....... soooooooooooo i think its pretty clear whats up

 

[scos]

Yes, whatever... in this day and age almost everyone is divorced and remarried... and if I was fortunate enough to be present for the interview, I would have addressed these ... flags....unfortunately they interviewed my husband and didnt give him any chance to speak.....bottom line, the VO is jaded and discriminating....go and see the cairo visa office page and look at how many ppl are rejected every sunday and how allllllll the basis of his interview are on age and religion....... soooooooooooo i think its pretty clear whats up

Well, good luck with that then.

 

[micmac101]

Why waste your time here get on with the appeal. So it was rejected and your still complaining here about it.
Stop wasting your time and others by getting us down its hard for everyone as I'm older than my husband. But I was here in Pakistan for all interviews and its ok.

I can feel for how you feel but its more important to get the appeal started by a lawyer who can work this out for you In Sha Allah

Lawyer Mario Bellissimo

www.bellissimolalawgroup.com
This is one of the best so it was told to me here online in the forum if our case was refused which thank Allah it wasn't