unfortunate but true

[polara69]

Sure, you have a point. But a nation as a whole, one has to take care of everyone, not just those fortunate enough with money. I agree with you, I would rather be rich and healthy than poor and sick, in any country for that matter.

 

[ADUFE]

US board certification in most medical sciences is reciprocal with the Canadian standards. Australia gladly accepts US med grads, if anything Canada is right next door. It isn't as different as you think, unless you talk about the meager salaries and the socialized healthcare system!

Very well said!

 

[ADUFE]

right? i can't wait to go to my first dr. appt tomorrow. FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and from what i hear, the dr. sees you AT your appt time! amazing.)

Yeah....For all of 5 minutes!

 

[ADUFE]

oh yeah the $12 that was taken out of my paycheck totally compares to the $200/month I was paying for insurance. Right now, I pretty much pay the same in taxes I would have paid for a copay to see the doctor (which was of course ON TOP of my monthly premium). my tax money also goes to unemployment protection, canadian pension, snow removal, road projects, public education, etc.

not to mention the 4% vacation pay canadian employers pay part time employees usually cancels out my tax contributions anyway. yes, canadian employers pay part time employees a percentage in "vacation pay" because we are not entitled to taking vacation days. the horror!

4% of slave wages...I bet they also pay you for the sick leave you are not entitled to too? How much would that be per chance?

 

[aashay12]

Yes my friend, my biggest worry is to go to canada without a job.....
Then looking for one....
Obama did a big blunder in helping illegals right away...
He shud have helped the non immigrants on student visas and work visas...
And then taking it to helping illegals...
To get a green card will take me at lest 4 to 5 years and don't know if
I want to be in that situation...thinking it will come and eventually losing canadian too...
Canada is an ideal country, not without a job.

 

[realtexdex]

Are you in EB2? What's your pd? Patience is the name of the game!

 

[rohitchaudhary1976]

JUST READ THIS (COPY PASTED FROM www DOT immigrationwatchcanada DOT org )

Immigration Watch Canada is an organization of Canadians who believe that immigration has to serve the interests of its own citizens. It cannot be turned into a social assistance / job-finding program for people from other countries. It should not be a method to suppress wages and provide employers with an unending supply of low-wage labour. It should never be a social engineering experiment that is conducted on Canada’s mainstream population in order to make it a minority. **

But immigration has become those three things.

Why? In particular, why has Canada’s average 250,000 per year immigration intake remained in place for over 23 years?

The answer is that for many decades, Canada’s major political parties have assumed that, on the immigration issue in particular, they know better than average Canadians. This attitude and the promotion of political party self-interest manifested itself particularly in 1990 when one political party (the Progressive Conservatives) increased immigration levels to 250,000 per year.

At the time they did this, they actually announced they were doing so in order to capture more of the immigrant vote. This may sound hard to believe because it is so brazen, but it is a fact. Since then, all other parties have adopted the same policy. All pretend that their actions are helping people in the rest of the world and that this immigration flood is also literally and figuratively enriching Canadian society.

The reality is that Canada’s average 250,000 per year immigration intake since 1990 has been far too high. In fact, Canada’s intake is the highest per capita in the world. And it has obviously been destructive and senseless.

What are some examples of the destruction and senselessness?

Our high intake has had major negative economic consequences for Canadians who are looking for work. In fact, it has forced many of Canada’s own unemployed to compete with immigrants for a limited number of jobs and it has impoverished many Canadians .

The destruction and senselessness that naive Canadians (as well as those with sinister intentions) have created has caused many Canadians (especially those in Canada’s larger centres) to become very angry. These Canadians feel that this social engineering project has raised “Diversity” to the level of a national goal. They feel this amounts to the country being ethnically cleansed and re-colonized.

Finally, many Canadians see with their own eyes that Canada’s high intake has also turned many areas of the country into crowded, grid-locked, environmental disasters-in-progress—duplicates of the environmental catastrophes many recent immigrants come from.

We repeat one basic question :

Why Is Canada bringing in 250,000+ immigrants per year? Ottawa has never provided a logical answer to that question. In fact, it has pretended that current immigration is no different from past immigration. It has also withheld vital information or tried to deceive Canadians by making false claims about the benefits of immigration.

We believe Canada should have some immigration, but that immigration levels should be reduced to about 25,000, that is, to about 10% of the current annual 250,000 intake. We advocate that the 25,000 intake level should be kept in place indefinitely to compensate for the immigration disaster that has occurred in the past 23 years.

We also advocate a significant reduction to Canada’s Temporary Foreign Worker program which in 2012 allowed a record 491,547 non-Canadians to work in Canada. The 491,547 consists of 213,573 new workers who entered Canada in 2012 plus another 277,974 who were already here. This program is being widely abused by employers and should probably be reduced to nearly zero. In any recession (this past one and others), it is madness for a country to be importing large numbers of immigrants as well as large numbers of Temporary Foreign Workers.

In addition to a reduction of Canada’s immigration intake to 25,000 per year and a dramatic cut to Canada’s Temporary Foreign Worker program, we also call for major reform to many of Canada’s other immigration policies.

 

[david1697]

I'm not sure why you are so bitter, but once again, there are plenty of immigrants who have done well in Canada, and have successful professional careers here. Some have even risen to the top of Canada's largest and most successful companies. There is not a single industry where you don't see immigrants from all regions of the world in the capacity of managers, C-level executives or Directors. And that is the truth. However, from reading your bitter, misleading posts, you would think that every immigrant is driving a cab or washing toilets, which is blatantly false.

It is not the government's role to create jobs for immigrants, and no immigrant has ever been promised a job by the government. I'm not sure where you got that attitude of entitlement, but perhaps that's why you couldn't succeed here.

New immigrants coming to Canada have to be realistic. They must realize that: (i) jobs are super-competitive due to the liberal immigration policies; (ii) their experience in their home countries may not be directly applicable in Canada; and (iii) the global economy is weak, at best, right now, and so is Canada's. That said, there are always opportunities, regardless of what disgruntled people like Newtone spout.

I disagree with newtone on several points, though I never voice my opinion on his posts. We all know he can be wrong.

However, what does "some immigrants have risen to top of Canadian companies" have to do with the fact that majority can't find a job, unless they have a "network" and references?

A number of immigrants are accepted every year under FSW category, these are SKILLED and HIGHLY EDUCATED immigrants. I am not talking about those who were admitted for skills in TRADES and are relatively successful with finding blue collar jobs. I am talking specifically about those who qualified for having post secondary education and experience, those who had to prove that they have both education and qualification to do SKILLED jobs. If they can't get any job ,other than flipping burgers, why even have FSW? Why not bring those who want to do labor and work in fast food exclusively? This way everyone would get what they want: immigrants the jobs they aspire to and employers the workers they need.
Instead, large number of SKILLED people are brought in who can't find jobs.

Are you going to argue with me that my statement above is false? I dare you.

My spouse had sent so many resumes for jobs (and, unlike me, she tailors EACH ONE to a SPECIFIC POSITION she applies for, she writes a cover letter for every single job she applies to, she spent so much time doing it! And she was doing it for a considerable amount of time now), and as of today she received NOTHING except for canned responses like "We will let you know if we need to proceed further", or "We were impressed by your resume but selected another candidate".

Admit the fact: there are NO JOBS in Canada, not enough to hire so many immigrants that are being brought to Canada for incomprehensible reasons (or, rather, it's comprehensible , just as reprehensible. It's done to drive wages down, by creating a pool of desperate. underemployed and unemployed immigrants who will accept any job and for any pay, just to survive and not starve to death).

Even in Somali if you have a proper "network" you will get a job. The whole idea of immigrating to North America has historically been to get away from Old World traditions, and be able to start a new life based on who you are, not on who you know or who knows you.
Who can disagree and argue for the opposite maintaining a straight face?

Government can't create jobs? It can, of course it can, but let's say it doesn't want to because it's not popular with taxpayers, ok, no problem, I understand that.
But at very least it can stop any further intake of skilled immigrants, until those who are present can get a job. Are you suggesting government can't do that?
What is this endless increase of labor force , with hundreds of people competing for each vacancy like a sperm for an egg, what good does it do to anyone except for employers who can now afford to make a rocket science of applying for virtually any job, regardless of how simple the job is?

What do you mean "immigrants must be realistic"? You mean someone who spent 17-20 years for education and has years of professional experience must be willing to accept a work as a taxi driver or grocery store clerk? That's realistic? That's insane, if you ask me.

Canada is a wonderful country, I fell in love with it, I fell in love with people there, I think it has great culture and could be one of the best places on earth to live if you can be gainfully employed. But how can you enjoy any of those great benefits of living in a country like Canada if you are unable to get a job you studied and worked hard to qualify for?

Let's be honest, economy of Canada is struggling now and there are no jobs for newcomers. There is nothing terrible with admitting this truth, actually it can help everyone, including aspiring immigrants and citizens of host country, by reducing the stream of immigrants, at least for a period when there is such incredible scarcity of white collar jobs. Once economy rebounds and need in more workers restored, sure, let them come and take their proper place in the system. But why bring so many immigrants now when even Canadian born citizens spend 6 to 8 months to find any job and foreign educated doctors drive taxis?

 

[ZingyDNA]

It's no use writing such a long post. Torontosm would just tell you a few immigrant CEO's and say: "See? These immigrants are doing very well! Why can't most immigrant be like them?" LOL

I disagree with newtone on several points, though I never voice my opinion on his posts. We all know he can be wrong.

However, what does "some immigrants have risen to top of Canadian companies" have to do with the fact that majority can't find a job, unless they have a "network" and references?

A number of immigrants are accepted every year under FSW category, these are SKILLED and HIGHLY EDUCATED immigrants.

....

But why bring so many immigrants now when even Canadian born citizens spend 6 to 8 months to find any job and foreign educated doctors drive taxis?

 

[torontosm]

It's no use writing such a long post. Torontosm would just tell you a few immigrant CEO's and say: "See? These immigrants are doing very well! Why can't most immigrant be like them?" LOL

It's pointless to continue this discussion, because as your post exemplifies, you don't bother to even read or understand what I am saying. For your benefit, I will repeat myself one last time:

- Not ALL immigrants work labour-intensive or menial jobs after arriving in Canada
- SOME immigrants are successful here

I hope that the simplification helped to clarify things for you.

 

[torontosm]

I disagree with newtone on several points, though I never voice my opinion on his posts. We all know he can be wrong.

However, what does "some immigrants have risen to top of Canadian companies" have to do with the fact that majority can't find a job, unless they have a "network" and references?

A number of immigrants are accepted every year under FSW category, these are SKILLED and HIGHLY EDUCATED immigrants. I am not talking about those who were admitted for skills in TRADES and are relatively successful with finding blue collar jobs. I am talking specifically about those who qualified for having post secondary education and experience, those who had to prove that they have both education and qualification to do SKILLED jobs. If they can't get any job ,other than flipping burgers, why even have FSW? Why not bring those who want to do labor and work in fast food exclusively? This way everyone would get what they want: immigrants the jobs they aspire to and employers the workers they need.
Instead, large number of SKILLED people are brought in who can't find jobs.

Are you going to argue with me that my statement above is false? I dare you.

My spouse had sent so many resumes for jobs (and, unlike me, she tailors EACH ONE to a SPECIFIC POSITION she applies for, she writes a cover letter for every single job she applies to, she spent so much time doing it! And she was doing it for a considerable amount of time now), and as of today she received NOTHING except for canned responses like "We will let you know if we need to proceed further", or "We were impressed by your resume but selected another candidate".

Admit the fact: there are NO JOBS in Canada, not enough to hire so many immigrants that are being brought to Canada for incomprehensible reasons (or, rather, it's comprehensible , just as reprehensible. It's done to drive wages down, by creating a pool of desperate. underemployed and unemployed immigrants who will accept any job and for any pay, just to survive and not starve to death).

Even in Somali if you have a proper "network" you will get a job. The whole idea of immigrating to North America has historically been to get away from Old World traditions, and be able to start a new life based on who you are, not on who you know or who knows you.
Who can disagree and argue for the opposite maintaining a straight face?

Government can't create jobs? It can, of course it can, but let's say it doesn't want to because it's not popular with taxpayers, ok, no problem, I understand that.
But at very least it can stop any further intake of skilled immigrants, until those who are present can get a job. Are you suggesting government can't do that?
What is this endless increase of labor force , with hundreds of people competing for each vacancy like a sperm for an egg, what good does it do to anyone except for employers who can now afford to make a rocket science of applying for virtually any job, regardless of how simple the job is?

What do you mean "immigrants must be realistic"? You mean someone who spent 17-20 years for education and has years of professional experience must be willing to accept a work as a taxi driver or grocery store clerk? That's realistic? That's insane, if you ask me.

Canada is a wonderful country, I fell in love with it, I fell in love with people there, I think it has great culture and could be one of the best places on earth to live if you can be gainfully employed. But how can you enjoy any of those great benefits of living in a country like Canada if you are unable to get a job you studied and worked hard to qualify for?

Let's be honest, economy of Canada is struggling now and there are no jobs for newcomers. There is nothing terrible with admitting this truth, actually it can help everyone, including aspiring immigrants and citizens of host country, by reducing the stream of immigrants, at least for a period when there is such incredible scarcity of white collar jobs. Once economy rebounds and need in more workers restored, sure, let them come and take their proper place in the system. But why bring so many immigrants now when even Canadian born citizens spend 6 to 8 months to find any job and foreign educated doctors drive taxis?

David, I agree with much of your post, and share your views on most points you raise.

To clarify, my examples of immigrants who have risen to the top has nothing to do with the fact that many can't find jobs. I was just responding to Newtones repeated assertions that ALL immigrants are forced to work blue-collar jobs once they come to Canada, and have no prospects of any real careers. that said, I agree with you that the current immigration levels are much too high, and Canada's economy (and infrastructure) can not support 250,000+ people each year. I have maintained this position for a while, and have been in contact with the Minister's and various MP's offices to voice my concerns.

As for my comment about immigrants being realistic, what I meant is that they must understand that foreign experience may not be directly applicable here. Let me explain....I work in the financial services industry and I receive hundreds of resumes each year from new immigrants who have recently arrived in Canada. Many of these resumes come from candidates whose only work experience has been in underdeveloped markets, where banking (and investment banking in particular) is very different than what we do in Canada. Moreover, these candidates do not have the network of relationships in Canada required to become productive once hired. As a result, I unfortunately can't even consider the vast majority. Now instead of understanding where their weaknesses lie, and trying to develop the relationships or better understand how things work here, they immediately jump to the conclusion that employers are biased against immigrants, or that there are no jobs in Canada. That is what I meant by not being realistic.

The economy of Canada is definitely struggling, and will continue to worsen over the next year. I urge all prospective immigrants to take this into consideration when considering whether to move or not. But does that mean that NO jobs exist, or will exist? Of course not.

 

[newtone]

It's pointless to continue this discussion, because as your post exemplifies, you don't bother to even read or understand what I am saying. For your benefit, I will repeat myself one last time:

- Not ALL immigrants work labour-intensive or menial jobs after arriving in Canada
- SOME immigrants are successful here

I hope that the simplification helped to clarify things for you.

I cant speak for everyone but I dont understand your point. Its like saying not all people are racists but some are. Ok so what is your point?
Its obvious not all immigrants work labour intensive job ....DUH! everyone knows that. What I am saying is majority are working labour menial jobs. Instead of going around in circles and pointing finger you might want to understand what many people are saying here.

 

[torontosm]

I cant speak for everyone but I dont understand your point. Its like saying not all people are racists but some are. Ok so what is your point?
Its obvious not all immigrants work labour intensive job ....DUH! everyone knows that. What I am saying is majority are working labour menial jobs. Instead of going around in circles and pointing finger you might want to understand what many people are saying here.

So had you just said "some" or "majority" in your earlier post, then I wouldn't have objected. Instead, you said:

"Canada is not for people who are ambitious, looking to have a white collar job" and

"I have yet to see one success story in this forum who have arrived and said they have risen to the top of Canada's largest and most successful companies"

Going back, you have made a variety of other absurd remarks previously, including:

"Unfortunately I do not have a PhD nor a medical degree therefore I don't qualify as a Canadian taxi driver right off the bat."

"So that non-Canadian engineers can work at McDonalds, Security guard, and taxi driver"

"4 months is too short to hire someone in IT, if a company does decide to hire you it will most likely be opening boxes taking computer out, folding the boxes and putting it in recycle cans. That would be the scope of your IT job"

"The people in charge of processing your PR card also works at the local butcher shop, drives a taxi at night and works as a security guard on the weekend."

so what exactly is your point?

 

[ZingyDNA]

- Not ALL immigrants work labour-intensive or menial jobs after arriving in Canada
- SOME immigrants are successful here

So that's your point? As long as SOME immigrants succeed, it's OK, even if most of them don't? This is what I don't agree with. I think MOST immigrants should succeed. Otherwise the system fails.

 

[newtone]

"Canada is not for people who are ambitious, looking to have a white collar job" and

"I have yet to see one success story in this forum who have arrived and said they have risen to the top of Canada's largest and most successful companies"

My point: I have not seen 1 success story, and I stand by what I say, its much easier to get a white collar job in US for immigrants than Canada

"Unfortunately I do not have a PhD nor a medical degree therefore I don't qualify as a Canadian taxi driver right off the bat."

My point: Thats cause most PhDs drive taxis, I am extremely shocked you dont know this fact. Havent you watched the movie Dr. Cabbie?

"So that non-Canadian engineers can work at McDonalds, Security guard, and taxi driver"

My Point: On that very thread I've also said "You first need to pass an exam for engineers since its a regulated profession. Get an entry level job and work up from there" You are taking things out of context AGAIN!!!!, when will kids like you ever learn? OP asked why bring more foreign engineers to Canada

"4 months is too short to hire someone in IT, if a company does decide to hire you it will most likely be opening boxes taking computer out, folding the boxes and putting it in recycle cans. That would be the scope of your IT job"

"The people in charge of processing your PR card also works at the local butcher shop, drives a taxi at night and works as a security guard on the weekend."

My Point: Canada works on a culture of parttime, contractual, no benefit labour force. Yes there are many people who work at Wall Mart and work in banks giving financial advise to people. There are many people who work as IT specialists and also do labour jobs in factories. There are many people who work as an accountant and security guard. Youmust be living under a rock not to know these facts. Why? Because they need to survive. Majority are and they continue to. Not everybody obviously. Thats my whole point. MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS are impoverished and people like you mess around with their mind telling them there is nothing wrong with Canada and something wrong with them