unfortunate but true

[ZingyDNA]

ii) Again, immigration and careers are two separate things. The government awards points to prospective immigrants, but that has NOTHING to do with private companies hiring them. Thankfully, the programs have been slightly reformed so top priority is given to those immigrants who already have jobs, but again, as you can tell by the *censored word*ing and moaning on these forums, people aren't happy with EE either.

You mean jobs with LMIA? Do you understand what all the moaning in the EE forum is about? :

 

[newtone]

I have no idea where you get your information, but it seems like you just make it up as you go. Most of the people I mentioned immigrated when they were adults, and several were even refugees. So, there was no silver spoon or trust fund to fall back on, as you so baselessly assert.

If you treat kids in diapers as adults I am very worried about your child's upbringing.

The job market in the US is 10x the size, so I'm not surprised. I don't know you at all, so I'm not sure whether you actually to have that sense of entitlement or not, but my comment was solely based on your blaming the government for not providing jobs to immigrants.

Yes the job market is 10x the size because unlike Canada, USA has industries/companies and that equates to jobs and thats a recipe for a successful economy. Why not blame the government for not providing jobs to immigrants? Afterall they dont shy away from giving them points on education and job experience when they apply for immigration. Where the hell are the jobs that people getting points for? As I said before why not bring uneducated drivers/plumbers/carpenters from third world. Working class professionals end up doing these jobs cause they cant find jobs in their professions.

You can tell your version of the truth all you want. However, all I am saying is that it's not as bleak as you make it out to be. For every immigrant (or for every three immigrants) that struggles, there is one that does really well. So the odds may be against newcomers, but there are opportunities there. I am living proof of that.

It is very bleak and as a matter of fact I am taking a very conservative approach, the situation is much worse than what I have written. I would say for every 100 immigrant that does not do well there is 1 immigrant that does well. Thats a realistic figure.This forum is a living proof of that. Otherwise you'd hear many many success stories.

 

[ZingyDNA]

Perhaps if you spent a bit more time in Canada, you would be aware of the numerous success stories. Look at people like Nadir Mohamed (CEO of Rogers), Robert Herjavec (CEO of Herjavec Group), Frank Stronach (founder and CEO of Magna), Adrienne Clarkson (former Governor General) and Michelle Jean (current Governor General) and the numerous MP's.

All you're doing here is picking specific cases. You can't pick one CEO out of 100,000 immigrants to prove any point. What you need is STATISTICS. I guess you sort of provided it when you say for 3 struggling immigrants there is ONE successful. And you don't have a problem with that??

 

[realtexdex]

Underemployment is a problem too. No one who has a career in the US, is going to chunk it all to flip burgers, or rather make poutine! Besides the pay is paltry, and the employers extremely biased against US grads, almost to the point of harboring an inferiority complex. Like I said, awesome country, but depressed economy and maybe decent from new arrivals from the third world. I would much rather look at Australia, after the US.

 

[rhcohen2014]

All you're doing here is picking specific cases. You can't pick one CEO out of 100,000 immigrants to prove any point. What you need is STATISTICS. I guess you sort of provided it when you say for 3 struggling immigrants there is ONE successful. And you don't have a problem with that??

i immigrated here labor day weekend 2014 and currently have 2 jobs that = 33 hours a week, making enough money to pay bills, and seeing opportunities every day to increase my income. both jobs have wage increases after 90 days. 1 is in real estate the other is at a local college. do i intend to stay in these jobs and this rate forever? absolutely not. do i intend to use them to my advantage and get to where i want to be in my career? absolutely! i can tell you starting over at 36 is a hell of a lot easier than starting at 22. i'm pretty confident i'll be able to move up much quicker this time around.

it's not easy. it's important to understand you're not going to start from the same level you were at when you left home. you're just not. it's also possible to not start at the very bottom. once IN, it's far easier to nagivate and get to where you want to be.

perhaps changing perspective and not assuming everything sucks will help opportunities to be seen. my work place experience in Canada has far surpassed any i've experienced in the US. people are happier here and treat employees better here.

 

[steaky]

All you're doing here is picking specific cases. You can't pick one CEO out of 100,000 immigrants to prove any point. What you need is STATISTICS. I guess you sort of provided it when you say for 3 struggling immigrants there is ONE successful. And you don't have a problem with that??

No to mentioned that there are immigrants of Canada, who left Canada (while keeping certain Canadian ties) and continue to be successful as expats in other countries or their home country.

 

[realtexdex]

Good advice from the both of you. Most of the technological advancement at least in healthcare happens in the US, and slowly percolates to the rest of the world. There isn't a reason why someone that is well seeped in a healthcare job in the US, shouldn't find a similar one in Canada. From experience, it just seems like the employers feel threatened hiring US educated folks. I mean seriously when your economy depends on the goliath down south, are you really going to ask for Canadian experience? I can understand vetting a grad from some third world country in Asia or Africa, but what is with being insecure of US grads?

 

[rhcohen2014]

Good advice from the both of you. Most of the technological advancement at least in healthcare happens in the US, and slowly percolates to the rest of the world. There isn't a reason why someone that is well seeped in a healthcare job in the US, shouldn't find a similar one in Canada.

you're kidding right? health care is the one industry you are bound to find major differences in everything. there are slight differences in the language used in canadian and us businesses - just about every industry is going to see this. i've seen this in real estate, higher education and retail. considering the us and canada health care systems have nothing in common nor do the health professionals use the same measuring standards, it would be ridiculous to assume skills will just transfer without issue. not to mention, the differences in regulations. also, depending on the job, there may be a need for licensing which can take some time. your statement makes absolutely no sense.

basically, probably the only industry that has the best crossover possibility is tech. when it comes to computer programming, the language is the same no matter where you are. considering these are mostly 'niche' or 'specialized' jobs, i'd asay if a newcomer had these skills they would have an easier time finding work - assuming they made the effort to look in the right places.

 

[torontosm]

All you're doing here is picking specific cases. You can't pick one CEO out of 100,000 immigrants to prove any point. What you need is STATISTICS. I guess you sort of provided it when you say for 3 struggling immigrants there is ONE successful. And you don't have a problem with that??

Why don't you go find some statistics that support your position first?

 

[torontosm]

If you treat kids in diapers as adults I am very worried about your child's upbringing.

I don't know what that means. You say that the people I mentioned came as babies, but offer nothing to support that. If you actually bothered to research before typing, you would see that Nadir Mohammed moved here when he was 18, Frank Stronach when he was 22, etc.

It is very bleak and as a matter of fact I am taking a very conservative approach, the situation is much worse than what I have written. I would say for every 100 immigrant that does not do well there is 1 immigrant that does well. Thats a realistic figure.This forum is a living proof of that. Otherwise you'd hear many many success stories.

Surely you can't base your opinion from posts on this forum. The vast majority of people on this forum haven't even moved here yet, or just arrived. Those that are doing well have no reason to come on here and flaunt it. Try some alternate sources like business magazines or newspapers and perhaps you'll see some real immigrant success stories.

 

[torontosm]

You mean jobs with LMIA? Do you understand what all the moaning in the EE forum is about? :

Yes, I understand it properly. The new system only provides PR to those people who offer something that Canada needs that it doesn't already have (i.e., people will skills that employers can not currently find in Canada). So, in effect, the government has tightened regulations to facilitate the PR for those that add to the economy, have certain jobs and don't displace existing Canadian citizens and PR's.

The net effect of this new system is that the economy benefits, unemployment amongst existing PR's and citizens remains constant or declines and new immigrants are happier as they are employed. So in light of all of this, why don't you tell me what the moaning is about?

 

[realtexdex]

US board certification in most medical sciences is reciprocal with the Canadian standards. Australia gladly accepts US med grads, if anything Canada is right next door. It isn't as different as you think, unless you talk about the meager salaries and the socialized healthcare system!

 

[polara69]

Perhaps if you spent a bit more time in Canada, you would be aware of the numerous success stories. Look at people like Nadir Mohamed (CEO of Rogers), Robert Herjavec (CEO of Herjavec Group), Frank Stronach (founder and CEO of Magna), Adrienne Clarkson (former Governor General) and Michelle Jean (current Governor General) and the numerous MP's.

Sorry torontosm, but Michaelle Jean is no longer Governor General.. David Johnston is, since October 1, 2010!

 

[ZingyDNA]

Why don't you go find some statistics that support your position first?

Well, I never claimed anything, so why would I need statistics? I was just reiterating what you said... Where's YOUR stats for YOUR position?

 

[rhcohen2014]

US board certification in most medical sciences is reciprocal with the Canadian standards. Australia gladly accepts US med grads, if anything Canada is right next door. It isn't as different as you think, unless you talk about the meager salaries and the socialized healthcare system!

oh you're such a troll. really? if it was soooooo easy for every medical professional from the US to transfer their license, then why are there so many people going through months/years of re-licensing? please... you are misguided and just making *censored word* up at this point. you know nothing about the canadian workforce because you can't even get into it. no wonder canadian companies won't hire you. you have no sense of reality.

and do you even realize the us and canada use different measuring systems? i know for a fact, the way drs./parmacists in canada give results are different calculations than the us. a medical professional from the us most likely will have to do some legwork to convert the info to what they know, or introduce new conversions/measurements into their brain capacity.

i saw a quote that pegs you and all the other nay sayers on here:
"stay away from negative people. they have a problem with every solution".

perhaps you need to figure out how to see the opportunity in every solution instead of the problem. good luck with life buddy!